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+xRobbos, observation last nights first half - Souttar was pumping it long quite a few times last night, worse mis judged over hit one now and then. Yes imports have stifled chances for promising AM’s to develop in our league. good point. Whilst at it strikers as well. LFC, I can only hope that they were playing tournament football & played to not lose. Yes it was woeful some of those long balls, no creativity in midfield outside of McGree. Hopefully Luongo comes back, Robertson or Volpato fixes the problem of the AM. Striker yes big trouble, as with our fullbacks.
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Robbos, observation last nights first half - Souttar was pumping it long quite a few times last night, worse mis judged over hit one now and then. Yes imports have stifled chances for promising AM’s to develop in our league. good point. Whilst at it strikers as well.
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+x+x+x+x+xI look at the dross that’s been served up by Brisbane in recent seasons and for the life of me can’t understand why our coaches don’t follow an approach that has been proven in the A-league, J-league, SPL and now EPL? I’ve watched a few games from the Ange era and a few things I’ve noticed. 1. There was more structure. Players knew when they playing out of defence that other players would be in certain positions to receive the pass. Eg at a certain point in the attack, you’d know the full back would be on the touch line stretching the defence, No need to take an extra touch while making sure they’d be there. If they weren’t there, Ange would be up them. 2. Passing was more intentional and more accurate. Even passing across the backline, there was a clear aim to get the ball as quickly and accurately to the next player to stretch the opposition. None of this just playing a slow pass anywhere within 3 metres of the next player, making him turn around and slowing the play. 3. More urgency and care factor. When in possession the aim was to play quickly. Players sprinted into the position they knew they should be in. If someone didn’t do their job, Smith, Mckay or Steffanuto would be tearing them a new one. 4. A plan once they got in the final third. So much more movement again with players knowing how to move in a coordinated manner to create openings. So, why is no one trying to emulate the Ange game plan?
I think one problem is that it places high demands on players. To me it just feels that recent coaches have had lower expectations and don’t hold players to the same standards of play and disciplined application of tactics. Players look like they are going through the motions. Watching us go forward, it’s just a random shambles that at some point sees the front 3 stationary waiting for a midfielder to lob it in the box. I can barely watch games these days.
Watching Melb Vic in the last few weeks, they would easily beat Ange's AL Roar team. They'd disturb the Roar build ups much earlier - like FC Tokyo did in the ACL. Since the Ange Roar era, AL teams have improved in Squeezing and Pressing game plans. The ball movement/ball circulation has had to increase to play through the improved AL team off the ball ability. It was good for the AL that Ange coached Roar to play like they did. The football played in the A-League right now is off the highest standard football wise than ever before, we are heading in the right direction.. Love your optimism. Would love to know your criteria. I think the defences are weaker which does add to the excitement. From a Brisbane perspective I reckon O’Shea is the only player that’d be a regular in our sides under Ange a decade or so ago. The ‘highest standard ever’ doesn’t seem to translate to A League teams being close to winning the AFC. You don’t think the quality was better when we had players like Ono, Broich, Mierzewski, Berisha, Hernandez in the league. These days, what players would you go to watch? Fornoroli and Barbarouses in their twilight years still better than all the up and coming young strikers. Ben Halloran has most assists. 😂
I do respect your analysis of the game. But I am honestly wondering about the basis for your claim. Firstly let me clear I'm not knocking the Ange BR side.. IMO the best club team to play in Australia ever & they changed the way football is played in this country. As for Ange, the fact he is coaching one of the biggest clubs in the world shows his quality & I'm a HUGE Ange fan. Now let address players, Joe Lolley & Robbie Mak from SFC, Tolgay Arslan Melb City, Marcelo & Antosson from WSW, Davila from Macarthur, Tulio from CCM (just left them) are just as good as the players you mentioned (maybe not Broich). Aussies like Azani ,Leckie & Goodwin from last year, youngsters like Teague, Toure, Farrell, L Brook & Irankuda (I have to keep reminding myself he is only 17 years old), he is the best 17 year old I have seen in the A-league. Now Playing style, no doubt you prefer players who won all before them in Ange's years to the current team, just like I prefer the players from the Golden Generation to the current crop of Socceroos, but the playing style is different, it's very much more possession type game, look at Baccus & even O'Neill, their ball distribution is far better & faster than either Grella or Jedinak, though the latter 2 had other attributes. I watched very closely the Adelaide United V SFC game in the Unite round the speed of the passing & the decision making intelligence of the players are far superior to Ange's team of 10 years ago. Funny you laugh at Halloran, from the same game, check out his header that set up the AU's big striker for his 2nd goal. This is what I'm talking about. For many years our ball movement was to pump it long, Barcelona changed that world wide & Roarcelona changed that in Australia, we are now finally getting players with the ability to move the ball quickly (Xavi style), not perfect but heading in right direction. Look at the players in midfield that can do that Baccus, O'Neil, Neiuwenhof, Yazbek, Mcgree,Teague & Jake Hollman. What we do lack is creative attacking midfielders (at least in quality) & Strikers. Hey, thanks for your reply. I laugh at Halloran because he’s always been a speed merchant with the touch of an elephant - yet he’s now league leading for assists. Seriously, I respect the guy as one of those who’s made a better career than others who had way more potential. Your last comment about AMs and strikers has been true since the A-League began. Mooy and maybe Rogic being the only 2 in the last decade who would be considered an international quality AM. The A-League is yet to produce a striker who’s made it in a decent league. The AM is usually the domain of the marquee or some other overseas player. Very few Aussies ever have the opportunity - Amini, Da Silva, and who else? I do like the looks of Nisbet and hope he gets the opportunity to make the AM role his own.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI sometimes wonder why I don't have rose coloured glass's on - very much behind our game here but like the OP C/O (a devoted BR supporter) why does he see it this way. Wonder which OS leagues GA is watching below 29th ranking ( if this is a legit site) https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/We haven't needed Arnie to mention the game lacks a proper long season that also incl a finals to make it worthwhile. How many times have we not seen young promising players in the past ? Arzani was the next best thing before Irakunda, Koul etc.... Pretatos Gersbach - sad such potential Ikon King got Young Footballer of the year in 21, we know this is a fizzer. Jeggo ? Thurgate please add many other fellas for there is more....... I would expect we are heading in the right direction after all this time but we are still way behind as well. It's all in the beholder my dear friend. My Liverpool friends told me the Hendo was this great player, I just saw a runner. He ran his little heart out for Klopp or 3-4 years won a couple of trophies. Now gets a gig in Saudi, you can't run in the heat, a complete failure. BTW Azani and Ikon both had massive ACLs, neither recovered very well. Though Azani now finding a bit more form. Don't know what happened to Gersbach. the others were always just good A-League players. yes beauty is in the eye of the beholder so true..... Re recovering from ACL's talking Ikon/Arzani. At their levels and the best of care they get once back on the park its all the mental process battle onwards and I get that completely. I the mere grassroots mortal gone through it as well and know first hand what goes through my hopeless brain once back. Took me a season to get back to myself whereas they, its interesting how long for as mentioned they have the best of daily care for recovery then the mental process support. Arzani has taken sometime to get back to comfort which is finally starting to show - good on him very glad its coming. Haven't been keeping tabs on ikon lately but I suspect similar to Arzani. Footballers who have recovered and shifted into their next gear post ACL Shearer ADP Ruud Baggio Keane Xavi Totti VVD - I mention these top flighters more so that they are full on targets to stop in games and cop how many suspect heavy late tackles, one such as Keane was a giver more than taker haha... Anyway as mentioned hope our 2 get back to form sooner than later for its taking longer than it should. haha your LFC fun with your mates, keep at them. robbos I agree that SFC/AU game was good viewing - yes I watched it. SFC was ripping them most of the 1st half and my how counters turn games. I agree that 2nd goal set up by ol man Halloran (top player here still and above the young ones most times) that reverse on the turn running header was a GEM, of a player without looking knowing where his support was - Ibusuki (a import @ 32yrs). Those 2 guys pulled most of the strings rest of that game might I add imo. Also a game as such only occurs now and then here to me. Yes mate, as you can imagine, tough for me with you guys top of the table. Glad to see Nunez scoring, he is a top class player will be firing very soon. Huge wraps on him, big, strong fast like Haarland, just not as consistent, but top top player. Halloran header was pure class despite it being against my beloved SFC. Have another look at Adelaide united, Johnny Yull was also part of the play that pulled the strings, Irakunda, had to keep reminding myself he is only 17 years old, he was toying with the defence, he has the pace, skill & awareness, it's really solely now up to him whether he wants to playing at the highest level, it's takes mental strength as we both know. But he is the best 17 year old I've seen since Kewell & Dukes. Big call, yes. will he make it, he has to work hard. haha, tbh I expect you will have the last lol come end of season. yep Nunez is a beast, once he settles himself more, its coming. AU have always had the belly to encourage youth for years into their squads, makes for great viewing over the years and the promise. Same applies to CCM. G Kuol is another with the expectations like Irakunda, we wait and see what the future unfolds. This should be the lead for all AL clubs unlike how many times over the years SFC have promising youth sit on the bench and in time the poor kid leaves. jas88, I agree there is nothing magic about Angeball to me, seen it all before its just having the cattle invested in the gaffas vision and key players in positions as mentioned. Comments by others, sure isn't suitable for NT for never enough time to work it nor some players suitable/can change their ability dna. As for picking talent here, I suppose that could be said world over mind you, every scout or selector and like us see things in a player the way we like them to be and others not. Our trouble more so is 1 Pro level and just X amount of clubs and a non feeding system, thats what should be thrown out to me but I understand its also a massive hinderance or can I say Disruptor in the big picture. I won't say more. No multiple divisions, no more than 12 pro clubs in the country, no domestic transfer fees and no federation run institute of sport certainly suits one foreign entity that runs professional football in this country doesn't it mate :) The hearing date for the 115 charges is supposedly set for later Autumn in UK and may go till next year but change is coming.... slowly. That same entity that gave Ange the chance to coach in 1 of the biggest clubs in the world. What are you talking about mate, Angie coached at South Melbourne because he was a two time Championship player, a lifelong supporter and junior player at the club and was well loved and respected buy the board, members, fans and players.... :P Of course silly me.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI sometimes wonder why I don't have rose coloured glass's on - very much behind our game here but like the OP C/O (a devoted BR supporter) why does he see it this way. Wonder which OS leagues GA is watching below 29th ranking ( if this is a legit site) https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/We haven't needed Arnie to mention the game lacks a proper long season that also incl a finals to make it worthwhile. How many times have we not seen young promising players in the past ? Arzani was the next best thing before Irakunda, Koul etc.... Pretatos Gersbach - sad such potential Ikon King got Young Footballer of the year in 21, we know this is a fizzer. Jeggo ? Thurgate please add many other fellas for there is more....... I would expect we are heading in the right direction after all this time but we are still way behind as well. It's all in the beholder my dear friend. My Liverpool friends told me the Hendo was this great player, I just saw a runner. He ran his little heart out for Klopp or 3-4 years won a couple of trophies. Now gets a gig in Saudi, you can't run in the heat, a complete failure. BTW Azani and Ikon both had massive ACLs, neither recovered very well. Though Azani now finding a bit more form. Don't know what happened to Gersbach. the others were always just good A-League players. yes beauty is in the eye of the beholder so true..... Re recovering from ACL's talking Ikon/Arzani. At their levels and the best of care they get once back on the park its all the mental process battle onwards and I get that completely. I the mere grassroots mortal gone through it as well and know first hand what goes through my hopeless brain once back. Took me a season to get back to myself whereas they, its interesting how long for as mentioned they have the best of daily care for recovery then the mental process support. Arzani has taken sometime to get back to comfort which is finally starting to show - good on him very glad its coming. Haven't been keeping tabs on ikon lately but I suspect similar to Arzani. Footballers who have recovered and shifted into their next gear post ACL Shearer ADP Ruud Baggio Keane Xavi Totti VVD - I mention these top flighters more so that they are full on targets to stop in games and cop how many suspect heavy late tackles, one such as Keane was a giver more than taker haha... Anyway as mentioned hope our 2 get back to form sooner than later for its taking longer than it should. haha your LFC fun with your mates, keep at them. robbos I agree that SFC/AU game was good viewing - yes I watched it. SFC was ripping them most of the 1st half and my how counters turn games. I agree that 2nd goal set up by ol man Halloran (top player here still and above the young ones most times) that reverse on the turn running header was a GEM, of a player without looking knowing where his support was - Ibusuki (a import @ 32yrs). Those 2 guys pulled most of the strings rest of that game might I add imo. Also a game as such only occurs now and then here to me. Yes mate, as you can imagine, tough for me with you guys top of the table. Glad to see Nunez scoring, he is a top class player will be firing very soon. Huge wraps on him, big, strong fast like Haarland, just not as consistent, but top top player. Halloran header was pure class despite it being against my beloved SFC. Have another look at Adelaide united, Johnny Yull was also part of the play that pulled the strings, Irakunda, had to keep reminding myself he is only 17 years old, he was toying with the defence, he has the pace, skill & awareness, it's really solely now up to him whether he wants to playing at the highest level, it's takes mental strength as we both know. But he is the best 17 year old I've seen since Kewell & Dukes. Big call, yes. will he make it, he has to work hard. haha, tbh I expect you will have the last lol come end of season. yep Nunez is a beast, once he settles himself more, its coming. AU have always had the belly to encourage youth for years into their squads, makes for great viewing over the years and the promise. Same applies to CCM. G Kuol is another with the expectations like Irakunda, we wait and see what the future unfolds. This should be the lead for all AL clubs unlike how many times over the years SFC have promising youth sit on the bench and in time the poor kid leaves. jas88, I agree there is nothing magic about Angeball to me, seen it all before its just having the cattle invested in the gaffas vision and key players in positions as mentioned. Comments by others, sure isn't suitable for NT for never enough time to work it nor some players suitable/can change their ability dna. As for picking talent here, I suppose that could be said world over mind you, every scout or selector and like us see things in a player the way we like them to be and others not. Our trouble more so is 1 Pro level and just X amount of clubs and a non feeding system, thats what should be thrown out to me but I understand its also a massive hinderance or can I say Disruptor in the big picture. I won't say more. No multiple divisions, no more than 12 pro clubs in the country, no domestic transfer fees and no federation run institute of sport certainly suits one foreign entity that runs professional football in this country doesn't it mate :) The hearing date for the 115 charges is supposedly set for later Autumn in UK and may go till next year but change is coming.... slowly. That same entity that gave Ange the chance to coach in 1 of the biggest clubs in the world. What are you talking about mate, Angie coached at South Melbourne because he was a two time Championship player, a lifelong supporter and junior player at the club and was well loved and respected buy the board, members, fans and players.... :P
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI sometimes wonder why I don't have rose coloured glass's on - very much behind our game here but like the OP C/O (a devoted BR supporter) why does he see it this way. Wonder which OS leagues GA is watching below 29th ranking ( if this is a legit site) https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/We haven't needed Arnie to mention the game lacks a proper long season that also incl a finals to make it worthwhile. How many times have we not seen young promising players in the past ? Arzani was the next best thing before Irakunda, Koul etc.... Pretatos Gersbach - sad such potential Ikon King got Young Footballer of the year in 21, we know this is a fizzer. Jeggo ? Thurgate please add many other fellas for there is more....... I would expect we are heading in the right direction after all this time but we are still way behind as well. It's all in the beholder my dear friend. My Liverpool friends told me the Hendo was this great player, I just saw a runner. He ran his little heart out for Klopp or 3-4 years won a couple of trophies. Now gets a gig in Saudi, you can't run in the heat, a complete failure. BTW Azani and Ikon both had massive ACLs, neither recovered very well. Though Azani now finding a bit more form. Don't know what happened to Gersbach. the others were always just good A-League players. yes beauty is in the eye of the beholder so true..... Re recovering from ACL's talking Ikon/Arzani. At their levels and the best of care they get once back on the park its all the mental process battle onwards and I get that completely. I the mere grassroots mortal gone through it as well and know first hand what goes through my hopeless brain once back. Took me a season to get back to myself whereas they, its interesting how long for as mentioned they have the best of daily care for recovery then the mental process support. Arzani has taken sometime to get back to comfort which is finally starting to show - good on him very glad its coming. Haven't been keeping tabs on ikon lately but I suspect similar to Arzani. Footballers who have recovered and shifted into their next gear post ACL Shearer ADP Ruud Baggio Keane Xavi Totti VVD - I mention these top flighters more so that they are full on targets to stop in games and cop how many suspect heavy late tackles, one such as Keane was a giver more than taker haha... Anyway as mentioned hope our 2 get back to form sooner than later for its taking longer than it should. haha your LFC fun with your mates, keep at them. robbos I agree that SFC/AU game was good viewing - yes I watched it. SFC was ripping them most of the 1st half and my how counters turn games. I agree that 2nd goal set up by ol man Halloran (top player here still and above the young ones most times) that reverse on the turn running header was a GEM, of a player without looking knowing where his support was - Ibusuki (a import @ 32yrs). Those 2 guys pulled most of the strings rest of that game might I add imo. Also a game as such only occurs now and then here to me. Yes mate, as you can imagine, tough for me with you guys top of the table. Glad to see Nunez scoring, he is a top class player will be firing very soon. Huge wraps on him, big, strong fast like Haarland, just not as consistent, but top top player. Halloran header was pure class despite it being against my beloved SFC. Have another look at Adelaide united, Johnny Yull was also part of the play that pulled the strings, Irakunda, had to keep reminding myself he is only 17 years old, he was toying with the defence, he has the pace, skill & awareness, it's really solely now up to him whether he wants to playing at the highest level, it's takes mental strength as we both know. But he is the best 17 year old I've seen since Kewell & Dukes. Big call, yes. will he make it, he has to work hard. haha, tbh I expect you will have the last lol come end of season. yep Nunez is a beast, once he settles himself more, its coming. AU have always had the belly to encourage youth for years into their squads, makes for great viewing over the years and the promise. Same applies to CCM. G Kuol is another with the expectations like Irakunda, we wait and see what the future unfolds. This should be the lead for all AL clubs unlike how many times over the years SFC have promising youth sit on the bench and in time the poor kid leaves. jas88, I agree there is nothing magic about Angeball to me, seen it all before its just having the cattle invested in the gaffas vision and key players in positions as mentioned. Comments by others, sure isn't suitable for NT for never enough time to work it nor some players suitable/can change their ability dna. As for picking talent here, I suppose that could be said world over mind you, every scout or selector and like us see things in a player the way we like them to be and others not. Our trouble more so is 1 Pro level and just X amount of clubs and a non feeding system, thats what should be thrown out to me but I understand its also a massive hinderance or can I say Disruptor in the big picture. I won't say more. No multiple divisions, no more than 12 pro clubs in the country, no domestic transfer fees and no federation run institute of sport certainly suits one foreign entity that runs professional football in this country doesn't it mate :) The hearing date for the 115 charges is supposedly set for later Autumn in UK and may go till next year but change is coming.... slowly. That same entity that gave Ange the chance to coach in 1 of the biggest clubs in the world.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI sometimes wonder why I don't have rose coloured glass's on - very much behind our game here but like the OP C/O (a devoted BR supporter) why does he see it this way. Wonder which OS leagues GA is watching below 29th ranking ( if this is a legit site) https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/We haven't needed Arnie to mention the game lacks a proper long season that also incl a finals to make it worthwhile. How many times have we not seen young promising players in the past ? Arzani was the next best thing before Irakunda, Koul etc.... Pretatos Gersbach - sad such potential Ikon King got Young Footballer of the year in 21, we know this is a fizzer. Jeggo ? Thurgate please add many other fellas for there is more....... I would expect we are heading in the right direction after all this time but we are still way behind as well. It's all in the beholder my dear friend. My Liverpool friends told me the Hendo was this great player, I just saw a runner. He ran his little heart out for Klopp or 3-4 years won a couple of trophies. Now gets a gig in Saudi, you can't run in the heat, a complete failure. BTW Azani and Ikon both had massive ACLs, neither recovered very well. Though Azani now finding a bit more form. Don't know what happened to Gersbach. the others were always just good A-League players. yes beauty is in the eye of the beholder so true..... Re recovering from ACL's talking Ikon/Arzani. At their levels and the best of care they get once back on the park its all the mental process battle onwards and I get that completely. I the mere grassroots mortal gone through it as well and know first hand what goes through my hopeless brain once back. Took me a season to get back to myself whereas they, its interesting how long for as mentioned they have the best of daily care for recovery then the mental process support. Arzani has taken sometime to get back to comfort which is finally starting to show - good on him very glad its coming. Haven't been keeping tabs on ikon lately but I suspect similar to Arzani. Footballers who have recovered and shifted into their next gear post ACL Shearer ADP Ruud Baggio Keane Xavi Totti VVD - I mention these top flighters more so that they are full on targets to stop in games and cop how many suspect heavy late tackles, one such as Keane was a giver more than taker haha... Anyway as mentioned hope our 2 get back to form sooner than later for its taking longer than it should. haha your LFC fun with your mates, keep at them. robbos I agree that SFC/AU game was good viewing - yes I watched it. SFC was ripping them most of the 1st half and my how counters turn games. I agree that 2nd goal set up by ol man Halloran (top player here still and above the young ones most times) that reverse on the turn running header was a GEM, of a player without looking knowing where his support was - Ibusuki (a import @ 32yrs). Those 2 guys pulled most of the strings rest of that game might I add imo. Also a game as such only occurs now and then here to me. Yes mate, as you can imagine, tough for me with you guys top of the table. Glad to see Nunez scoring, he is a top class player will be firing very soon. Huge wraps on him, big, strong fast like Haarland, just not as consistent, but top top player. Halloran header was pure class despite it being against my beloved SFC. Have another look at Adelaide united, Johnny Yull was also part of the play that pulled the strings, Irakunda, had to keep reminding myself he is only 17 years old, he was toying with the defence, he has the pace, skill & awareness, it's really solely now up to him whether he wants to playing at the highest level, it's takes mental strength as we both know. But he is the best 17 year old I've seen since Kewell & Dukes. Big call, yes. will he make it, he has to work hard. haha, tbh I expect you will have the last lol come end of season. yep Nunez is a beast, once he settles himself more, its coming. AU have always had the belly to encourage youth for years into their squads, makes for great viewing over the years and the promise. Same applies to CCM. G Kuol is another with the expectations like Irakunda, we wait and see what the future unfolds. This should be the lead for all AL clubs unlike how many times over the years SFC have promising youth sit on the bench and in time the poor kid leaves. jas88, I agree there is nothing magic about Angeball to me, seen it all before its just having the cattle invested in the gaffas vision and key players in positions as mentioned. Comments by others, sure isn't suitable for NT for never enough time to work it nor some players suitable/can change their ability dna. As for picking talent here, I suppose that could be said world over mind you, every scout or selector and like us see things in a player the way we like them to be and others not. Our trouble more so is 1 Pro level and just X amount of clubs and a non feeding system, thats what should be thrown out to me but I understand its also a massive hinderance or can I say Disruptor in the big picture. I won't say more. No multiple divisions, no more than 12 pro clubs in the country, no domestic transfer fees and no federation run institute of sport certainly suits one foreign entity that runs professional football in this country doesn't it mate :) The hearing date for the 115 charges is supposedly set for later Autumn in UK and may go till next year but change is coming.... slowly. HAHA BA BOOM !
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He ran his little heart out for Klopp or 3-4 years won a couple of trophies. Now gets a gig in Saudi, you can't run in the heat, a complete failure. BTW Azani and Ikon both had massive ACLs, neither recovered very well. Though Azani now finding a bit more form. Don't know what happened to Gersbach. the others were always just good A-League players. yes beauty is in the eye of the beholder so true..... Re recovering from ACL's talking Ikon/Arzani. At their levels and the best of care they get once back on the park its all the mental process battle onwards and I get that completely. I the mere grassroots mortal gone through it as well and know first hand what goes through my hopeless brain once back. Took me a season to get back to myself whereas they, its interesting how long for as mentioned they have the best of daily care for recovery then the mental process support. Arzani has taken sometime to get back to comfort which is finally starting to show - good on him very glad its coming. Haven't been keeping tabs on ikon lately but I suspect similar to Arzani. Footballers who have recovered and shifted into their next gear post ACL Shearer ADP Ruud Baggio Keane Xavi Totti VVD - I mention these top flighters more so that they are full on targets to stop in games and cop how many suspect heavy late tackles, one such as Keane was a giver more than taker haha... Anyway as mentioned hope our 2 get back to form sooner than later for its taking longer than it should. haha your LFC fun with your mates, keep at them. robbos I agree that SFC/AU game was good viewing - yes I watched it. SFC was ripping them most of the 1st half and my how counters turn games. I agree that 2nd goal set up by ol man Halloran (top player here still and above the young ones most times) that reverse on the turn running header was a GEM, of a player without looking knowing where his support was - Ibusuki (a import @ 32yrs). Those 2 guys pulled most of the strings rest of that game might I add imo. Also a game as such only occurs now and then here to me. Yes mate, as you can imagine, tough for me with you guys top of the table. Glad to see Nunez scoring, he is a top class player will be firing very soon. Huge wraps on him, big, strong fast like Haarland, just not as consistent, but top top player. Halloran header was pure class despite it being against my beloved SFC. Have another look at Adelaide united, Johnny Yull was also part of the play that pulled the strings, Irakunda, had to keep reminding myself he is only 17 years old, he was toying with the defence, he has the pace, skill & awareness, it's really solely now up to him whether he wants to playing at the highest level, it's takes mental strength as we both know. But he is the best 17 year old I've seen since Kewell & Dukes. Big call, yes. will he make it, he has to work hard. haha, tbh I expect you will have the last lol come end of season. yep Nunez is a beast, once he settles himself more, its coming. AU have always had the belly to encourage youth for years into their squads, makes for great viewing over the years and the promise. Same applies to CCM. G Kuol is another with the expectations like Irakunda, we wait and see what the future unfolds. This should be the lead for all AL clubs unlike how many times over the years SFC have promising youth sit on the bench and in time the poor kid leaves. jas88, I agree there is nothing magic about Angeball to me, seen it all before its just having the cattle invested in the gaffas vision and key players in positions as mentioned. Comments by others, sure isn't suitable for NT for never enough time to work it nor some players suitable/can change their ability dna. As for picking talent here, I suppose that could be said world over mind you, every scout or selector and like us see things in a player the way we like them to be and others not. Our trouble more so is 1 Pro level and just X amount of clubs and a non feeding system, thats what should be thrown out to me but I understand its also a massive hinderance or can I say Disruptor in the big picture. I won't say more. No multiple divisions, no more than 12 pro clubs in the country, no domestic transfer fees and no federation run institute of sport certainly suits one foreign entity that runs professional football in this country doesn't it mate :) The hearing date for the 115 charges is supposedly set for later Autumn in UK and may go till next year but change is coming.... slowly.
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+x+x+x+xI sometimes wonder why I don't have rose coloured glass's on - very much behind our game here but like the OP C/O (a devoted BR supporter) why does he see it this way. Wonder which OS leagues GA is watching below 29th ranking ( if this is a legit site) https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/We haven't needed Arnie to mention the game lacks a proper long season that also incl a finals to make it worthwhile. How many times have we not seen young promising players in the past ? Arzani was the next best thing before Irakunda, Koul etc.... Pretatos Gersbach - sad such potential Ikon King got Young Footballer of the year in 21, we know this is a fizzer. Jeggo ? Thurgate please add many other fellas for there is more....... I would expect we are heading in the right direction after all this time but we are still way behind as well. It's all in the beholder my dear friend. My Liverpool friends told me the Hendo was this great player, I just saw a runner. He ran his little heart out for Klopp or 3-4 years won a couple of trophies. Now gets a gig in Saudi, you can't run in the heat, a complete failure. BTW Azani and Ikon both had massive ACLs, neither recovered very well. Though Azani now finding a bit more form. Don't know what happened to Gersbach. the others were always just good A-League players. yes beauty is in the eye of the beholder so true..... Re recovering from ACL's talking Ikon/Arzani. At their levels and the best of care they get once back on the park its all the mental process battle onwards and I get that completely. I the mere grassroots mortal gone through it as well and know first hand what goes through my hopeless brain once back. Took me a season to get back to myself whereas they, its interesting how long for as mentioned they have the best of daily care for recovery then the mental process support. Arzani has taken sometime to get back to comfort which is finally starting to show - good on him very glad its coming. Haven't been keeping tabs on ikon lately but I suspect similar to Arzani. Footballers who have recovered and shifted into their next gear post ACL Shearer ADP Ruud Baggio Keane Xavi Totti VVD - I mention these top flighters more so that they are full on targets to stop in games and cop how many suspect heavy late tackles, one such as Keane was a giver more than taker haha... Anyway as mentioned hope our 2 get back to form sooner than later for its taking longer than it should. haha your LFC fun with your mates, keep at them. robbos I agree that SFC/AU game was good viewing - yes I watched it. SFC was ripping them most of the 1st half and my how counters turn games. I agree that 2nd goal set up by ol man Halloran (top player here still and above the young ones most times) that reverse on the turn running header was a GEM, of a player without looking knowing where his support was - Ibusuki (a import @ 32yrs). Those 2 guys pulled most of the strings rest of that game might I add imo. Also a game as such only occurs now and then here to me. Yes mate, as you can imagine, tough for me with you guys top of the table. Glad to see Nunez scoring, he is a top class player will be firing very soon. Huge wraps on him, big, strong fast like Haarland, just not as consistent, but top top player. Halloran header was pure class despite it being against my beloved SFC. Have another look at Adelaide united, Johnny Yull was also part of the play that pulled the strings, Irakunda, had to keep reminding myself he is only 17 years old, he was toying with the defence, he has the pace, skill & awareness, it's really solely now up to him whether he wants to playing at the highest level, it's takes mental strength as we both know. But he is the best 17 year old I've seen since Kewell & Dukes. Big call, yes. will he make it, he has to work hard. haha, tbh I expect you will have the last lol come end of season. yep Nunez is a beast, once he settles himself more, its coming. AU have always had the belly to encourage youth for years into their squads, makes for great viewing over the years and the promise. Same applies to CCM. G Kuol is another with the expectations like Irakunda, we wait and see what the future unfolds. This should be the lead for all AL clubs unlike how many times over the years SFC have promising youth sit on the bench and in time the poor kid leaves. jas88, I agree there is nothing magic about Angeball to me, seen it all before its just having the cattle invested in the gaffas vision and key players in positions as mentioned. Comments by others, sure isn't suitable for NT for never enough time to work it nor some players suitable/can change their ability dna. As for picking talent here, I suppose that could be said world over mind you, every scout or selector and like us see things in a player the way we like them to be and others not. Our trouble more so is 1 Pro level and just X amount of clubs and a non feeding system, thats what should be thrown out to me but I understand its also a massive hinderance or can I say Disruptor in the big picture. I won't say more.
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+xyou dont need that god of players to play Ange's style imo. You need a ball playing CB, speed on your fullbacks and someone decent on the ball to play as a 10/8 the rest is all about pace. The fact aussies coaches cant do this is crazy... I dont think we know how to spot talent... one example is Kisnorbo... who sent Savio out on loan... the same Savio tearing it up for Girona this year and looks like he will go Barca or RM in the off season lol We just suck at talent identification. Throw the handbook out and start again. Kisnorbo also screwed over Colakovski. He was actually ahead of Tilio at City, had a great grand final, and then Kisnorbo benched him the next season when he needed to game time to develop. No surprise he was found out what a shit coach he is in France.
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you dont need that god of players to play Ange's style imo.
You need a ball playing CB, speed on your fullbacks and someone decent on the ball to play as a 10/8 the rest is all about pace.
The fact aussies coaches cant do this is crazy... I dont think we know how to spot talent... one example is Kisnorbo... who sent Savio out on loan... the same Savio tearing it up for Girona this year and looks like he will go Barca or RM in the off season lol
We just suck at talent identification. Throw the handbook out and start again.
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+x+x+xI sometimes wonder why I don't have rose coloured glass's on - very much behind our game here but like the OP C/O (a devoted BR supporter) why does he see it this way. Wonder which OS leagues GA is watching below 29th ranking ( if this is a legit site) https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/We haven't needed Arnie to mention the game lacks a proper long season that also incl a finals to make it worthwhile. How many times have we not seen young promising players in the past ? Arzani was the next best thing before Irakunda, Koul etc.... Pretatos Gersbach - sad such potential Ikon King got Young Footballer of the year in 21, we know this is a fizzer. Jeggo ? Thurgate please add many other fellas for there is more....... I would expect we are heading in the right direction after all this time but we are still way behind as well. It's all in the beholder my dear friend. My Liverpool friends told me the Hendo was this great player, I just saw a runner. He ran his little heart out for Klopp or 3-4 years won a couple of trophies. Now gets a gig in Saudi, you can't run in the heat, a complete failure. BTW Azani and Ikon both had massive ACLs, neither recovered very well. Though Azani now finding a bit more form. Don't know what happened to Gersbach. the others were always just good A-League players. yes beauty is in the eye of the beholder so true..... Re recovering from ACL's talking Ikon/Arzani. At their levels and the best of care they get once back on the park its all the mental process battle onwards and I get that completely. I the mere grassroots mortal gone through it as well and know first hand what goes through my hopeless brain once back. Took me a season to get back to myself whereas they, its interesting how long for as mentioned they have the best of daily care for recovery then the mental process support. Arzani has taken sometime to get back to comfort which is finally starting to show - good on him very glad its coming. Haven't been keeping tabs on ikon lately but I suspect similar to Arzani. Footballers who have recovered and shifted into their next gear post ACL Shearer ADP Ruud Baggio Keane Xavi Totti VVD - I mention these top flighters more so that they are full on targets to stop in games and cop how many suspect heavy late tackles, one such as Keane was a giver more than taker haha... Anyway as mentioned hope our 2 get back to form sooner than later for its taking longer than it should. haha your LFC fun with your mates, keep at them. robbos I agree that SFC/AU game was good viewing - yes I watched it. SFC was ripping them most of the 1st half and my how counters turn games. I agree that 2nd goal set up by ol man Halloran (top player here still and above the young ones most times) that reverse on the turn running header was a GEM, of a player without looking knowing where his support was - Ibusuki (a import @ 32yrs). Those 2 guys pulled most of the strings rest of that game might I add imo. Also a game as such only occurs now and then here to me. Yes mate, as you can imagine, tough for me with you guys top of the table. Glad to see Nunez scoring, he is a top class player will be firing very soon. Huge wraps on him, big, strong fast like Haarland, just not as consistent, but top top player. Halloran header was pure class despite it being against my beloved SFC. Have another look at Adelaide united, Johnny Yull was also part of the play that pulled the strings, Irakunda, had to keep reminding myself he is only 17 years old, he was toying with the defence, he has the pace, skill & awareness, it's really solely now up to him whether he wants to playing at the highest level, it's takes mental strength as we both know. But he is the best 17 year old I've seen since Kewell & Dukes. Big call, yes. will he make it, he has to work hard.
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+x+xI sometimes wonder why I don't have rose coloured glass's on - very much behind our game here but like the OP C/O (a devoted BR supporter) why does he see it this way. Wonder which OS leagues GA is watching below 29th ranking ( if this is a legit site) https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/We haven't needed Arnie to mention the game lacks a proper long season that also incl a finals to make it worthwhile. How many times have we not seen young promising players in the past ? Arzani was the next best thing before Irakunda, Koul etc.... Pretatos Gersbach - sad such potential Ikon King got Young Footballer of the year in 21, we know this is a fizzer. Jeggo ? Thurgate please add many other fellas for there is more....... I would expect we are heading in the right direction after all this time but we are still way behind as well. It's all in the beholder my dear friend. My Liverpool friends told me the Hendo was this great player, I just saw a runner. He ran his little heart out for Klopp or 3-4 years won a couple of trophies. Now gets a gig in Saudi, you can't run in the heat, a complete failure. BTW Azani and Ikon both had massive ACLs, neither recovered very well. Though Azani now finding a bit more form. Don't know what happened to Gersbach. the others were always just good A-League players. yes beauty is in the eye of the beholder so true..... Re recovering from ACL's talking Ikon/Arzani. At their levels and the best of care they get once back on the park its all the mental process battle onwards and I get that completely. I the mere grassroots mortal gone through it as well and know first hand what goes through my hopeless brain once back. Took me a season to get back to myself whereas they, its interesting how long for as mentioned they have the best of daily care for recovery then the mental process support. Arzani has taken sometime to get back to comfort which is finally starting to show - good on him very glad its coming. Haven't been keeping tabs on ikon lately but I suspect similar to Arzani. Footballers who have recovered and shifted into their next gear post ACL Shearer ADP Ruud Baggio Keane Xavi Totti VVD - I mention these top flighters more so that they are full on targets to stop in games and cop how many suspect heavy late tackles, one such as Keane was a giver more than taker haha... Anyway as mentioned hope our 2 get back to form sooner than later for its taking longer than it should. haha your LFC fun with your mates, keep at them. robbos I agree that SFC/AU game was good viewing - yes I watched it. SFC was ripping them most of the 1st half and my how counters turn games. I agree that 2nd goal set up by ol man Halloran (top player here still and above the young ones most times) that reverse on the turn running header was a GEM, of a player without looking knowing where his support was - Ibusuki (a import @ 32yrs). Those 2 guys pulled most of the strings rest of that game might I add imo. Also a game as such only occurs now and then here to me.
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+x+x+x+xI look at the dross that’s been served up by Brisbane in recent seasons and for the life of me can’t understand why our coaches don’t follow an approach that has been proven in the A-league, J-league, SPL and now EPL? I’ve watched a few games from the Ange era and a few things I’ve noticed. 1. There was more structure. Players knew when they playing out of defence that other players would be in certain positions to receive the pass. Eg at a certain point in the attack, you’d know the full back would be on the touch line stretching the defence, No need to take an extra touch while making sure they’d be there. If they weren’t there, Ange would be up them. 2. Passing was more intentional and more accurate. Even passing across the backline, there was a clear aim to get the ball as quickly and accurately to the next player to stretch the opposition. None of this just playing a slow pass anywhere within 3 metres of the next player, making him turn around and slowing the play. 3. More urgency and care factor. When in possession the aim was to play quickly. Players sprinted into the position they knew they should be in. If someone didn’t do their job, Smith, Mckay or Steffanuto would be tearing them a new one. 4. A plan once they got in the final third. So much more movement again with players knowing how to move in a coordinated manner to create openings. So, why is no one trying to emulate the Ange game plan?
I think one problem is that it places high demands on players. To me it just feels that recent coaches have had lower expectations and don’t hold players to the same standards of play and disciplined application of tactics. Players look like they are going through the motions. Watching us go forward, it’s just a random shambles that at some point sees the front 3 stationary waiting for a midfielder to lob it in the box. I can barely watch games these days.
Watching Melb Vic in the last few weeks, they would easily beat Ange's AL Roar team. They'd disturb the Roar build ups much earlier - like FC Tokyo did in the ACL. Since the Ange Roar era, AL teams have improved in Squeezing and Pressing game plans. The ball movement/ball circulation has had to increase to play through the improved AL team off the ball ability. It was good for the AL that Ange coached Roar to play like they did. The football played in the A-League right now is off the highest standard football wise than ever before, we are heading in the right direction.. Love your optimism. Would love to know your criteria. I think the defences are weaker which does add to the excitement. From a Brisbane perspective I reckon O’Shea is the only player that’d be a regular in our sides under Ange a decade or so ago. The ‘highest standard ever’ doesn’t seem to translate to A League teams being close to winning the AFC. You don’t think the quality was better when we had players like Ono, Broich, Mierzewski, Berisha, Hernandez in the league. These days, what players would you go to watch? Fornoroli and Barbarouses in their twilight years still better than all the up and coming young strikers. Ben Halloran has most assists. 😂
I do respect your analysis of the game. But I am honestly wondering about the basis for your claim. Firstly let me clear I'm not knocking the Ange BR side.. IMO the best club team to play in Australia ever & they changed the way football is played in this country. As for Ange, the fact he is coaching one of the biggest clubs in the world shows his quality & I'm a HUGE Ange fan. Now let address players, Joe Lolley & Robbie Mak from SFC, Tolgay Arslan Melb City, Marcelo & Antosson from WSW, Davila from Macarthur, Tulio from CCM (just left them) are just as good as the players you mentioned (maybe not Broich). Aussies like Azani ,Leckie & Goodwin from last year, youngsters like Teague, Toure, Farrell, L Brook & Irankuda (I have to keep reminding myself he is only 17 years old), he is the best 17 year old I have seen in the A-league. Now Playing style, no doubt you prefer players who won all before them in Ange's years to the current team, just like I prefer the players from the Golden Generation to the current crop of Socceroos, but the playing style is different, it's very much more possession type game, look at Baccus & even O'Neill, their ball distribution is far better & faster than either Grella or Jedinak, though the latter 2 had other attributes. I watched very closely the Adelaide United V SFC game in the Unite round the speed of the passing & the decision making intelligence of the players are far superior to Ange's team of 10 years ago. Funny you laugh at Halloran, from the same game, check out his header that set up the AU's big striker for his 2nd goal. This is what I'm talking about. For many years our ball movement was to pump it long, Barcelona changed that world wide & Roarcelona changed that in Australia, we are now finally getting players with the ability to move the ball quickly (Xavi style), not perfect but heading in right direction. Look at the players in midfield that can do that Baccus, O'Neil, Neiuwenhof, Yazbek, Mcgree,Teague & Jake Hollman. What we do lack is creative attacking midfielders (at least in quality) & Strikers.
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+x+x+xI look at the dross that’s been served up by Brisbane in recent seasons and for the life of me can’t understand why our coaches don’t follow an approach that has been proven in the A-league, J-league, SPL and now EPL? I’ve watched a few games from the Ange era and a few things I’ve noticed. 1. There was more structure. Players knew when they playing out of defence that other players would be in certain positions to receive the pass. Eg at a certain point in the attack, you’d know the full back would be on the touch line stretching the defence, No need to take an extra touch while making sure they’d be there. If they weren’t there, Ange would be up them. 2. Passing was more intentional and more accurate. Even passing across the backline, there was a clear aim to get the ball as quickly and accurately to the next player to stretch the opposition. None of this just playing a slow pass anywhere within 3 metres of the next player, making him turn around and slowing the play. 3. More urgency and care factor. When in possession the aim was to play quickly. Players sprinted into the position they knew they should be in. If someone didn’t do their job, Smith, Mckay or Steffanuto would be tearing them a new one. 4. A plan once they got in the final third. So much more movement again with players knowing how to move in a coordinated manner to create openings. So, why is no one trying to emulate the Ange game plan?
I think one problem is that it places high demands on players. To me it just feels that recent coaches have had lower expectations and don’t hold players to the same standards of play and disciplined application of tactics. Players look like they are going through the motions. Watching us go forward, it’s just a random shambles that at some point sees the front 3 stationary waiting for a midfielder to lob it in the box. I can barely watch games these days.
Watching Melb Vic in the last few weeks, they would easily beat Ange's AL Roar team. They'd disturb the Roar build ups much earlier - like FC Tokyo did in the ACL. Since the Ange Roar era, AL teams have improved in Squeezing and Pressing game plans. The ball movement/ball circulation has had to increase to play through the improved AL team off the ball ability. It was good for the AL that Ange coached Roar to play like they did. The football played in the A-League right now is off the highest standard football wise than ever before, we are heading in the right direction.. Love your optimism. Would love to know your criteria. I think the defences are weaker which does add to the excitement. From a Brisbane perspective I reckon O’Shea is the only player that’d be a regular in our sides under Ange a decade or so ago. The ‘highest standard ever’ doesn’t seem to translate to A League teams being close to winning the AFC. You don’t think the quality was better when we had players like Ono, Broich, Mierzewski, Berisha, Hernandez in the league. These days, what players would you go to watch? Fornoroli and Barbarouses in their twilight years still better than all the up and coming young strikers. Ben Halloran has most assists. 😂
I do respect your analysis of the game. But I am honestly wondering about the basis for your claim.
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+x+x+xI sometimes wonder why I don't have rose coloured glass's on - very much behind our game here but like the OP C/O (a devoted BR supporter) why does he see it this way. Wonder which OS leagues GA is watching below 29th ranking ( if this is a legit site) https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/We haven't needed Arnie to mention the game lacks a proper long season that also incl a finals to make it worthwhile. How many times have we not seen young promising players in the past ? Arzani was the next best thing before Irakunda, Koul etc.... Pretatos Gersbach - sad such potential Ikon King got Young Footballer of the year in 21, we know this is a fizzer. Jeggo ? Thurgate please add many other fellas for there is more....... I would expect we are heading in the right direction after all this time but we are still way behind as well. It's all in the beholder my dear friend. My Liverpool friends told me the Hendo was this great player, I just saw a runner. He ran his little heart out for Klopp or 3-4 years won a couple of trophies. Now gets a gig in Saudi, you can't run in the heat, a complete failure. BTW Azani and Ikon both had massive ACLs, neither recovered very well. Though Azani now finding a bit more form. Don't know what happened to Gersbach. the others were always just good A-League players. Boyle only recently showed glimpses of his pre acl form Kruse never recovered Arzani and borello are rebounding only now they are in a familiar environment If you do your acl come home (scotland in boyles case) until u recover form Lol .... cheeky but true.
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+x+xI sometimes wonder why I don't have rose coloured glass's on - very much behind our game here but like the OP C/O (a devoted BR supporter) why does he see it this way. Wonder which OS leagues GA is watching below 29th ranking ( if this is a legit site) https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/We haven't needed Arnie to mention the game lacks a proper long season that also incl a finals to make it worthwhile. How many times have we not seen young promising players in the past ? Arzani was the next best thing before Irakunda, Koul etc.... Pretatos Gersbach - sad such potential Ikon King got Young Footballer of the year in 21, we know this is a fizzer. Jeggo ? Thurgate please add many other fellas for there is more....... I would expect we are heading in the right direction after all this time but we are still way behind as well. It's all in the beholder my dear friend. My Liverpool friends told me the Hendo was this great player, I just saw a runner. He ran his little heart out for Klopp or 3-4 years won a couple of trophies. Now gets a gig in Saudi, you can't run in the heat, a complete failure. BTW Azani and Ikon both had massive ACLs, neither recovered very well. Though Azani now finding a bit more form. Don't know what happened to Gersbach. the others were always just good A-League players. Boyle only recently showed glimpses of his pre acl form Kruse never recovered Arzani and borello are rebounding only now they are in a familiar environment If you do your acl come home (scotland in boyles case) until u recover form
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People saying players are better and todays A-league teams would beat Ange’s Roar are totally missing the the point. My point is his playing style is still succeeding internationally, but no one else is playing anything close to it. Had to chuckle that apparently current A league opposition would have all the answers against an Ange coached team - it’s just EPL teams and coaches that don’t.
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There are plenty of reasons why others have not copied him: different football philosophy, football IQ, different experiences and different personality to convince/ motivate players and staff to follow regardless of early setbacks.
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+xI sometimes wonder why I don't have rose coloured glass's on - very much behind our game here but like the OP C/O (a devoted BR supporter) why does he see it this way. Wonder which OS leagues GA is watching below 29th ranking ( if this is a legit site) https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/We haven't needed Arnie to mention the game lacks a proper long season that also incl a finals to make it worthwhile. How many times have we not seen young promising players in the past ? Arzani was the next best thing before Irakunda, Koul etc.... Pretatos Gersbach - sad such potential Ikon King got Young Footballer of the year in 21, we know this is a fizzer. Jeggo ? Thurgate please add many other fellas for there is more....... I would expect we are heading in the right direction after all this time but we are still way behind as well. It's all in the beholder my dear friend. My Liverpool friends told me the Hendo was this great player, I just saw a runner. He ran his little heart out for Klopp or 3-4 years won a couple of trophies. Now gets a gig in Saudi, you can't run in the heat, a complete failure. BTW Azani and Ikon both had massive ACLs, neither recovered very well. Though Azani now finding a bit more form. Don't know what happened to Gersbach. the others were always just good A-League players.
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I sometimes wonder why I don't have rose coloured glass's on - very much behind our game here but like the OP C/O (a devoted BR supporter) why does he see it this way. Wonder which OS leagues GA is watching below 29th ranking ( if this is a legit site) https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/We haven't needed Arnie to mention the game lacks a proper long season that also incl a finals to make it worthwhile. How many times have we not seen young promising players in the past ? Arzani was the next best thing before Irakunda, Koul etc.... Pretatos Gersbach - sad such potential Ikon King got Young Footballer of the year in 21, we know this is a fizzer. Jeggo ? Thurgate please add many other fellas for there is more....... I would expect we are heading in the right direction after all this time but we are still way behind as well.
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+x+x+xI look at the dross that’s been served up by Brisbane in recent seasons and for the life of me can’t understand why our coaches don’t follow an approach that has been proven in the A-league, J-league, SPL and now EPL? I’ve watched a few games from the Ange era and a few things I’ve noticed. 1. There was more structure. Players knew when they playing out of defence that other players would be in certain positions to receive the pass. Eg at a certain point in the attack, you’d know the full back would be on the touch line stretching the defence, No need to take an extra touch while making sure they’d be there. If they weren’t there, Ange would be up them. 2. Passing was more intentional and more accurate. Even passing across the backline, there was a clear aim to get the ball as quickly and accurately to the next player to stretch the opposition. None of this just playing a slow pass anywhere within 3 metres of the next player, making him turn around and slowing the play. 3. More urgency and care factor. When in possession the aim was to play quickly. Players sprinted into the position they knew they should be in. If someone didn’t do their job, Smith, Mckay or Steffanuto would be tearing them a new one. 4. A plan once they got in the final third. So much more movement again with players knowing how to move in a coordinated manner to create openings. So, why is no one trying to emulate the Ange game plan?
I think one problem is that it places high demands on players. To me it just feels that recent coaches have had lower expectations and don’t hold players to the same standards of play and disciplined application of tactics. Players look like they are going through the motions. Watching us go forward, it’s just a random shambles that at some point sees the front 3 stationary waiting for a midfielder to lob it in the box. I can barely watch games these days.
Watching Melb Vic in the last few weeks, they would easily beat Ange's AL Roar team. They'd disturb the Roar build ups much earlier - like FC Tokyo did in the ACL. Since the Ange Roar era, AL teams have improved in Squeezing and Pressing game plans. The ball movement/ball circulation has had to increase to play through the improved AL team off the ball ability. It was good for the AL that Ange coached Roar to play like they did. Yes 100%, Ange showed the rest of the A-League coaches what to do. I watched a very good game SFC v AU in the Untile round & both those teams would smash Ange's AL Roar team. The players are better now, we just lack The football played in the A-League right now is off the highest standard football wise than ever before, we are heading in the right direction. The young players coming thru now Irakunda, G Kuol, Johnny Yull, Neiwenhof, Yasbek, Baccus, O'Neill, all have high technical skill. The unfortunate thing is we came from a low base, as some Brazilian fans told me in 2006 of our wonderful Golden generation, you play rugby football, tough, uncompromising but ugly football. Our first touch has always been poor & we are only now seeing some improvement. Enjoy reading this - a positive and accurate post about the evolution of the AL. The main issue, according to Arnie, is the short AL season. Arnie claims he watches better football in the AL than many overseas leagues. He views them on a weekly basis to appraise potential Socceroo players.
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+xMost managers, not just in the A league but all over, including EPL are pragmatists. They will play according to their strengths and adjust tactics according to situation, opposition, conditions etc. Ange though is an idealist, the strength is his system and there are no tactics just tactic, which is to play attacking football regardless of the situation. Ange’s approach requires discipline, patience and courage and most coaches don’t have that, so when they try to play like Ange they inevitably concede goals and lose games, and inevitably default back to playing pragmatic football. This might be the best post you've made, Roosty! Look forward to more of the same!
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Ange is he's own man but I dont think there is many coaches in this country that can play that expansive possession game which Ange is known for.
Alot of coaches tend to play more balanced but rigid tactics which will get them results but maybe wont produce the best football, in fact alot of league here is very transitional which makes for open games which requires alot of running in the process.
I remember we had coaches like Gombau, JVS, Mulvey who got their teams playing nice possession based football whilst we also had Arnie, Popa as more pragmatic coaches so the balance was quite good in terms of tactics and approaches.
But these days it seems too similar with how teams play.
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+x+xI look at the dross that’s been served up by Brisbane in recent seasons and for the life of me can’t understand why our coaches don’t follow an approach that has been proven in the A-league, J-league, SPL and now EPL? I’ve watched a few games from the Ange era and a few things I’ve noticed. 1. There was more structure. Players knew when they playing out of defence that other players would be in certain positions to receive the pass. Eg at a certain point in the attack, you’d know the full back would be on the touch line stretching the defence, No need to take an extra touch while making sure they’d be there. If they weren’t there, Ange would be up them. 2. Passing was more intentional and more accurate. Even passing across the backline, there was a clear aim to get the ball as quickly and accurately to the next player to stretch the opposition. None of this just playing a slow pass anywhere within 3 metres of the next player, making him turn around and slowing the play. 3. More urgency and care factor. When in possession the aim was to play quickly. Players sprinted into the position they knew they should be in. If someone didn’t do their job, Smith, Mckay or Steffanuto would be tearing them a new one. 4. A plan once they got in the final third. So much more movement again with players knowing how to move in a coordinated manner to create openings. So, why is no one trying to emulate the Ange game plan?
I think one problem is that it places high demands on players. To me it just feels that recent coaches have had lower expectations and don’t hold players to the same standards of play and disciplined application of tactics. Players look like they are going through the motions. Watching us go forward, it’s just a random shambles that at some point sees the front 3 stationary waiting for a midfielder to lob it in the box. I can barely watch games these days.
Watching Melb Vic in the last few weeks, they would easily beat Ange's AL Roar team. They'd disturb the Roar build ups much earlier - like FC Tokyo did in the ACL. Since the Ange Roar era, AL teams have improved in Squeezing and Pressing game plans. The ball movement/ball circulation has had to increase to play through the improved AL team off the ball ability. It was good for the AL that Ange coached Roar to play like they did. Yes 100%, Ange showed the rest of the A-League coaches what to do. I watched a very good game SFC v AU in the Untile round & both those teams would smash Ange's AL Roar team. The players are better now, we just lack The football played in the A-League right now is off the highest standard football wise than ever before, we are heading in the right direction. The young players coming thru now Irakunda, G Kuol, Johnny Yull, Neiwenhof, Yasbek, Baccus, O'Neill, all have high technical skill. The unfortunate thing is we came from a low base, as some Brazilian fans told me in 2006 of our wonderful Golden generation, you play rugby football, tough, uncompromising but ugly football. Our first touch has always been poor & we are only now seeing some improvement.
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+xI look at the dross that’s been served up by Brisbane in recent seasons and for the life of me can’t understand why our coaches don’t follow an approach that has been proven in the A-league, J-league, SPL and now EPL? I’ve watched a few games from the Ange era and a few things I’ve noticed. 1. There was more structure. Players knew when they playing out of defence that other players would be in certain positions to receive the pass. Eg at a certain point in the attack, you’d know the full back would be on the touch line stretching the defence, No need to take an extra touch while making sure they’d be there. If they weren’t there, Ange would be up them. 2. Passing was more intentional and more accurate. Even passing across the backline, there was a clear aim to get the ball as quickly and accurately to the next player to stretch the opposition. None of this just playing a slow pass anywhere within 3 metres of the next player, making him turn around and slowing the play. 3. More urgency and care factor. When in possession the aim was to play quickly. Players sprinted into the position they knew they should be in. If someone didn’t do their job, Smith, Mckay or Steffanuto would be tearing them a new one. 4. A plan once they got in the final third. So much more movement again with players knowing how to move in a coordinated manner to create openings. So, why is no one trying to emulate the Ange game plan?
I think one problem is that it places high demands on players. To me it just feels that recent coaches have had lower expectations and don’t hold players to the same standards of play and disciplined application of tactics. Players look like they are going through the motions. Watching us go forward, it’s just a random shambles that at some point sees the front 3 stationary waiting for a midfielder to lob it in the box. I can barely watch games these days.
Its not about emulating a game plan but rather of being coached to have the football nous to adapt a plan to the opponent, the league, the players, the expectations and the style you want to play. Like I posted in the other thread, the incumbent milieu is fucking stupid and repeating the same old cliched jargony "geggenpressich uber ales" garbage. We are falling behind not only Asia but the rest of the world... Reddit is happy that we beat India but so nothing will ever get done about it. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0285871
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+xI look at the dross that’s been served up by Brisbane in recent seasons and for the life of me can’t understand why our coaches don’t follow an approach that has been proven in the A-league, J-league, SPL and now EPL? I’ve watched a few games from the Ange era and a few things I’ve noticed. 1. There was more structure. Players knew when they playing out of defence that other players would be in certain positions to receive the pass. Eg at a certain point in the attack, you’d know the full back would be on the touch line stretching the defence, No need to take an extra touch while making sure they’d be there. If they weren’t there, Ange would be up them. 2. Passing was more intentional and more accurate. Even passing across the backline, there was a clear aim to get the ball as quickly and accurately to the next player to stretch the opposition. None of this just playing a slow pass anywhere within 3 metres of the next player, making him turn around and slowing the play. 3. More urgency and care factor. When in possession the aim was to play quickly. Players sprinted into the position they knew they should be in. If someone didn’t do their job, Smith, Mckay or Steffanuto would be tearing them a new one. 4. A plan once they got in the final third. So much more movement again with players knowing how to move in a coordinated manner to create openings. So, why is no one trying to emulate the Ange game plan?
I think one problem is that it places high demands on players. To me it just feels that recent coaches have had lower expectations and don’t hold players to the same standards of play and disciplined application of tactics. Players look like they are going through the motions. Watching us go forward, it’s just a random shambles that at some point sees the front 3 stationary waiting for a midfielder to lob it in the box. I can barely watch games these days.
Watching Melb Vic in the last few weeks, they would easily beat Ange's AL Roar team. They'd disturb the Roar build ups much earlier - like FC Tokyo did in the ACL. Since the Ange Roar era, AL teams have improved in Squeezing and Pressing game plans. The ball movement/ball circulation has had to increase in speed to play through the improved AL team off the ball ability. It was good for the AL that Ange coached Roar to play like they did.
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+x+x+xNot every team has players good enough to play that way. I do agree with that to an extent. But Ange didn’t have the players when he arrived at Brisbane. But because he had a game plan he could identify players that fit the plan, and not necessarily known stars. At the start of 2010/11 no one would have thought Brisbane had a squad to win the league (after finishing 9th the year before). The game plan/tactics made the sum better than the individual players. You need to have the dressing room to get them to commit to that plan and to train the way you need to and be conditioned well enough to make it all work. Ange motivates people to do that. He got a minimum wage HAL squad to do that, he can motivate anyone. If someone like Ruben Zadkovich told me to run that hard, i'd tell him to go and get fucked and work at woolies. But then he might punch you out like he did with Giordano Colli!
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+x+x+xNot every team has players good enough to play that way. I do agree with that to an extent. But Ange didn’t have the players when he arrived at Brisbane. But because he had a game plan he could identify players that fit the plan, and not necessarily known stars. At the start of 2010/11 no one would have thought Brisbane had a squad to win the league (after finishing 9th the year before). The game plan/tactics made the sum better than the individual players. You need to have the dressing room to get them to commit to that plan and to train the way you need to and be conditioned well enough to make it all work. Ange motivates people to do that. He got a minimum wage HAL squad to do that, he can motivate anyone. If someone like Ruben Zadkovich told me to run that hard, i'd tell him to go and get fucked and work at woolies. 😂
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Most managers, not just in the A league but all over, including EPL are pragmatists. They will play according to their strengths and adjust tactics according to situation, opposition, conditions etc. Ange though is an idealist, the strength is his system and there are no tactics just tactic, which is to play attacking football regardless of the situation. Ange’s approach requires discipline, patience and courage and most coaches don’t have that, so when they try to play like Ange they inevitably concede goals and lose games, and inevitably default back to playing pragmatic football.
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