Victory's Arzani finding his groove in ALM [Comments]


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FINALLY having some consistency and doing what many thought he could in attack 👏 hopefully Arnold was watching last night. Roos need creativity skills like that
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Ok but on the other hand, he hasn't played the full 90 minutes in a competetive hit out in 18 months (and just once in a pre season kick around).


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Doesn't worry me that he isn't playing 90 mins every game.

I've been very impressed with Arzani this season in many Vic games. I've  always loved flashy players.

We need his creativity and flair in the national team.
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Decentric 2 - 21 Feb 2024 11:01 PM
Doesn't worry me that he isn't playing 90 mins every game.

I've been very impressed with Arzani this season in many Vic games. I've  always loved flashy players.

We need his creativity and flair in the national team.

He is a show pony.

A wasted talent.

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Lurker - 22 Feb 2024 6:53 AM
Decentric 2 - 21 Feb 2024 11:01 PM

He is a show pony.

A wasted talent.

How many entire Victory games have you watched this season? Arzani under Popa is a much better all round team player now. He is 1 of the best scoring chance creators in AL


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Balin Trev - 22 Feb 2024 7:46 AM
Lurker - 22 Feb 2024 6:53 AM

How many entire Victory games have you watched this season? Arzani under Popa is a much better all round team player now. He is 1 of the best scoring chance creators in AL

Not many.

He struts around like a peacock. There are better options available.

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Lurker - 22 Feb 2024 8:19 AM
Balin Trev - 22 Feb 2024 7:46 AM
Not many.

He struts around like a peacock. There are better options available.

In the last game he created at least 4 clear opportunities for someone to run onto and score - one of them a real one on one chance after dribbling with real skill through defenders and spotting a pass to a running player through the lines with fantastic vision and application.

I agree he comes across as a peacock, but there is a reason peacocks behave like they do. They have something to show off ;)

There are few options close to his ability to cut through opposition players and I can't think of anyone who can do it consistently.

Not particularly liking the player I can still see what a positive impact he has against stacked defences, the vision and skills he possesses, and how much he benefits Victory and the league.

If you can look past the annoying shit you might find him worth watching now.

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Lurker - 22 Feb 2024 8:19 AM
Balin Trev - 22 Feb 2024 7:46 AM
Not many.

He struts around like a peacock. There are better options available.

Sorry, but you are completely wrong, Lurker.

Just watched the second half of the Victory v Western United game last night from the point Arzani came on as a sub. 

Without counting them, he had 2 assists for the 2 Victory goals scored. He also played 3- 4 more potential assists or killer passes/crosses, which other players fluffed at goal attempts, or didn't  anticipate them quickly enough. 

When a team is dominating possession, Arzani is exactly the player any team, including the Socceroos, needs to break down tight defences.

If Arzani receives with his body shape facing forwards with his right foot/right side of the body, he is dynamite.  He needs very little time and space on the right foot/right side of the body to be effective. He is also so adept at beating the first defender, the other team often needs to commit 2- 3 players to mark him. This creates other free players.

Moreover in  the Western United fixture, he had   2 shots which went close to scoring. 

 Arzani was a  menace at the 2018 WC in Russia against World Cup winning France, and against Peru and Denmark. Arzani has the X factor and is a classy ball player, who is also adept at playing on both flanks. In his current form we could have done with him at the Asian Cup.

If another team is  dominating, like South K did against the Socceroos, it may be more prudent to have a Leckie, Goodwin, Boyle, Metcalfe, McGree, even Bos type player, who are effective when the other team has the ball.

Arzani has improved this facet of his play, but isn't as effective as  the aforementioned. With the ball at his feet, he is better than any of them, with the possible exception of Bos, albeit Azani is more effective in tight spaces at ball carrying and dribbling.



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Decentric 2 - 22 Feb 2024 11:00 AM
Lurker - 22 Feb 2024 8:19 AM

Sorry, but you are completely wrong, Lurker.

Just watched the second half of the Victory v Western United game last night from the point Arzani came on as a sub. 

Without counting them, he had 2 assists for the 2 Victory goals scored. He also played 3- 4 more potential assists or killer passes/crosses, which other players fluffed at goal attempts, or didn't  anticipate them quickly enough. 

When a team is dominating possession, Arzani is exactly the player any team, including the Socceroos, needs to break down tight defences.

If Arzani receives with his body shape facing forwards with his right foot/right side of the body, he is dynamite.  He needs very little time and space on the right foot/right side of the body to be effective. He is also so adept at beating the first defender, the other team often needs to commit 2- 3 players to mark him. This creates other free players.

Moreover in  the Western United fixture, he had to  2 shots which went close to scoring. 

 Arzani was a  menace at the 2018 WC in Russia against World Cup winning France, and against Peru and Denmark. Arzani has the X factor and is a classy ball player, who is also adept at playing on both flanks. In his current form we could have done with him at the Asian Cup.

If another team is  dominating, like South K did against the Socceroos, it may be more prudent to have a Leckie, Goodwin, Boyle, Metcalfe, McGree, even Bos type player, who are effective when the other team has the ball.

Arzani has improved this facet of his play, but isn't as effective as  the aforementioned. With the ball at his feet, he is better than any of them, with the possible exception of Bos, albeit Azani is more effective in tight spaces at ball carrying and dribbling.



Exactly Daniel Arzani for all of hes flaws hes the most creative attacking talents still around in Australian football its like we got many options who are better than him, there are other options around like Tilio, Hrustic etc but historically we dont develop players of Arzani's ilk, so people hating on him is complexing. 
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Exactly Daniel Arzani for all of hes flaws hes the most creative attacking talents still around in Australian football its like we got many options who are better than him, there are other options around like Tilio, Hrustic etc but historically we dont develop players of Arzani's ilk, so people hating on him is complexing. 

TBH I loved watching him 6 years ago. However, it has only been in the last few games that he has regained some of that form. He needs to be in the next squad.
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Lurker - 22 Feb 2024 8:19 AM
Balin Trev - 22 Feb 2024 7:46 AM
Not many.

He struts around like a peacock. There are better options available.

got any books you could review for us that you haven't read too?
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tsf - 22 Feb 2024 11:00 AM
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got any books you could review for us that you haven't read too?

Not many doesn't mean none.

The only opinion that matters is Arnold's.

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Balin Trev - 22 Feb 2024 7:46 AM
Lurker - 22 Feb 2024 6:53 AM

How many entire Victory games have you watched this season? Arzani under Popa is a much better all round team player now. He is 1 of the best scoring chance creators in AL


Bang on the money, BT.
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He's one of the most creative attacking minded players we have in Australian football and still some people on here have an angle to criticise him? It seems like some Australian football fans hate creative players period.
Enjoy your Olympic runners/rugby players then because thats what we usually historically develop in this country...
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Barca4Life - 22 Feb 2024 11:13 AM
He's one of the most creative attacking minded players we have in Australian football and still some people on here have an angle to criticise him? It seems like some Australian football fans hate creative players period.
Enjoy your Olympic runners/rugby players then because thats what we usually historically develop in this country...

Exactly, one day we will create a player with Irvine's workrate, Leckie's physical ability & Azani's creativity, until then we have accept these players for their flaws, especially the creative ones, because rarely created these type of players.
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robbos - 22 Feb 2024 6:11 PM
Barca4Life - 22 Feb 2024 11:13 AM

Exactly, one day we will create a player with Irvine's workrate, Leckie's physical ability & Azani's creativity, until then we have accept these players for their flaws, especially the creative ones, because rarely created these type of players.

Looking forward to it!

Most players have weaknesses though, including Cristiano Ronaldo.
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Decentric 2 - 23 Feb 2024 8:46 AM
robbos - 22 Feb 2024 6:11 PM

Looking forward to it!

Most players have weaknesses though, including Cristiano Ronaldo.

The only weakness with Ronaldo is his current age.

The man is a LEGEND!!!!! In 10 years time they will remember both Ronaldo & Messi better.

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robbos - 23 Feb 2024 1:14 PM
Decentric 2 - 23 Feb 2024 8:46 AM

The only weakness with Ronaldo is his current age.

The man is a LEGEND!!!!! In 10 years time they will remember both Ronaldo & Messi better.

hehe he not capish.


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LFC. - 23 Feb 2024 1:43 PM
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hehe he not capish.

You know I always say the wife is always right, happy wife happy life, Ronaldo is King.

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robbos - 23 Feb 2024 3:31 PM
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You know I always say the wife is always right, happy wife happy life, Ronaldo is King.

hey isn't your wife from the UK , she has to be a King Gerrard fan :) lol.....you influenced her far too much :)

IF only Arzani could have a smidgen what SG had :)


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LFC. - 24 Feb 2024 12:28 AM
robbos - 23 Feb 2024 3:31 PM

hey isn't your wife from the UK , she has to be a King Gerrard fan :) lol.....you influenced her far too much :)

IF only Arzani could have a smidgen what SG had :)

Na, she is a Liverpool fan tough( I know I still married her, silly me), but she is more a Kevie Keegan & King Kenny fan, she left England 35 years ago, she loves Becks more than Stevie.

Australia do not create players of the Calibre of Stevie G.

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robbos - 24 Feb 2024 12:08 PM
LFC. - 24 Feb 2024 12:28 AM

Na, she is a Liverpool fan tough( I know I still married her, silly me), but she is more a Kevie Keegan & King Kenny fan, she left England 35 years ago, she loves Becks more than Stevie.

Australia do not create players of the Calibre of Stevie G.

ahhhhh I luv your wife, your very Lucky she puts up with you :)
I was going to quote KK and she has me even more attracted mentioning KevieK what Legends - SG is the son of their awesum era you could say - haha you got your LFC mates and better half, your up a creek without the paddle.

Talking calibre of SG not created here, I actually wonder whilst growing up playing here I was playing with some players with the kind of energy and tactical natural instinct like him - so so many of these potential very good players opt out carrying on to higher leagues once Snr preferring to stay in Div/Prem 1 league football.
They kept sweeping the floor in Club land, winning comps, winning Champs of Champs.
We lose so so many due to the aussie easy going lifestyle to this day.


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robbos - 23 Feb 2024 1:14 PM
Decentric 2 - 23 Feb 2024 8:46 AM

The only weakness with Ronaldo is his current age.

The man is a LEGEND!!!!! In 10 years time they will remember both Ronaldo & Messi better.

Hehehehe I wont comment on this one bud, I could list a few weaknesses...... lol....  just jokes..... 
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robbos - 22 Feb 2024 6:11 PM
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Exactly, one day we will create a player with Irvine's workrate, Leckie's physical ability & Azani's creativity, until then we have accept these players for their flaws, especially the creative ones, because rarely created these type of players.

I would say NEVER have created..... I wish it wasnt so but we seem to manage two of the three, never all three.... 
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robbos - 22 Feb 2024 6:11 PM
Barca4Life - 22 Feb 2024 11:13 AM

Exactly, one day we will create a player with Irvine's workrate, Leckie's physical ability & Azani's creativity, until then we have accept these players for their flaws, especially the creative ones, because rarely created these type of players.

We did his name was Harry Kewell. Even Emerton in his Feyenoord yrs was close to this. 
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We did his name was Harry Kewell. Even Emerton in his Feyenoord yrs was close to this. 

Emerton was great, but not sure id put him in the same class as preinjury kewell....
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We did his name was Harry Kewell. Even Emerton in his Feyenoord yrs was close to this. 

Kewell was the closest we had, but never reached his potential, maybe injuries (hence physical) & why he was the best Aussie player but Cahill the best Socceroo.

Emerton was very good, but once in the Premier league, never played to his potential.

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he's been good for mv this year - he appears more focused at the moment and more of a team player 

he needs to score more, the big hole in his game 
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tsf - 22 Feb 2024 11:45 AM
he's been good for mv this year - he appears more focused at the moment and more of a team player 

he needs to score more, the big hole in his game 

He won't learn to finish now, and that is a real problem for him. He is seems to lose all composure in front of goal. 
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charlied - 22 Feb 2024 11:34 PM
tsf - 22 Feb 2024 11:45 AM

He won't learn to finish now, and that is a real problem for him. He is seems to lose all composure in front of goal. 

if he could score he would bring something very different wouldn't he
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grazorblade - 23 Feb 2024 3:01 AM
charlied - 22 Feb 2024 11:34 PM

if he could score he would bring something very different wouldn't he

well wouldn't it be great But there is only so many DeBruynes types even in the big leagues that is few and far between.

Arzani at least can take opponents on and create something as we all have seen that we lack in the NT so I can forgive his lack of finishing........



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LFC. - 23 Feb 2024 3:30 AM
grazorblade - 23 Feb 2024 3:01 AM

well wouldn't it be great But there is only so many DeBruynes types even in the big leagues that is few and far between.

Arzani at least can take opponents on and create something as we all have seen that we lack in the NT so I can forgive his lack of finishing........


Arzani has set enough players up with potential assists, who've promptly missed.
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Decentric 2 - 23 Feb 2024 8:48 AM
LFC. - 23 Feb 2024 3:30 AM

Arzani has set enough players up with potential assists, who've promptly missed.

Yeah he could've had 4/5 assists Tuesday night alone, if his teammates had timed their runs etc. He could easily have had double digit assists this season. His ability to beat a defender one on one, play the perfect through ball, dribbling ability, cut backs, crosses etc etc make him a must pick against Lebanon. I said it before the Asian Cup, he needed to be picked as he's a game changer who can make things happen like no-one else in Australian football at the moment. I'm trying not to go over the top, but he's just next level this season & probably better than he was pre 2018 WC.
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Decentric 2 - 23 Feb 2024 8:48 AM
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Arzani has set enough players up with potential assists, who've promptly missed.

you obviously didn't understand my simple comment.


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I thought we lacked wide attacking options at the AC. Arzani should definitely be considered.
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Arzani is having the best season of his career, there is no question about that. That doesn't mean that he should walk into the national team either. For me, he was two very glaring weaknesses. He lacks final product and he is inconsistent. 

That's why I think Goodwin, Leckie (short term), Tilio, Silvera, McGree and Mabil (who has been playing very well in Switzerland before getting injured) are better options at present.
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sub007 - 22 Feb 2024 1:40 PM
 Tilio, Silvera, McGree and Mabil  are better options at present.

i don't think any of these players are really better options, the same if anything 

hopefully tilio or silvera do something one day, mcgree and mabil have been disappointing 

the pool is not that crash hot unfortunately 
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Just cause he doesn't play in Europe doesn't mean he can't be an important part of the national team.

Look at someone like Craig Goodwin. Never made it into the big leagues in Europe. In the A League for the vast majority of his career. Yet he's been amazing for the national team against almost every team we face. Looking a threat to assist or score almost every time he takes the pitch.

Leckie and Kruse have been great servants for the national team in their own ways. They made it both to the Bundesliga and were able to establish themselves in a top league. Yet for the Socceroo's while giving us great avenues in many ways, were really really really really not clinical at all lol. 

I would take Craig Goodwin of the last couple years and start him ahead of prime Kruse and Leckie anyday for the national team. 

Just because a player has a great career and plays at a higher level. Doesn't mean that their skills will naturally fall into place for the national team. Tom Rogic another example. Fantastic for Celtic in a good league and playing champions league football. For the Socceroos he was mostly invisible in most games he played, literally. 

A League players can do a great job for our team and especially if they are playing well and in great form, should be given consideration to start over players who are playing at a higher level but form is not so great.
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Socceroofan4life - 22 Feb 2024 6:19 PM
Just cause he doesn't play in Europe doesn't mean he can't be an important part of the national team.

Look at someone like Craig Goodwin. Never made it into the big leagues in Europe. In the A League for the vast majority of his career. Yet he's been amazing for the national team against almost every team we face. Looking a threat to assist or score almost every time he takes the pitch.

Leckie and Kruse have been great servants for the national team in their own ways. They made it both to the Bundesliga and were able to establish themselves in a top league. Yet for the Socceroo's while giving us great avenues in many ways, were really really really really not clinical at all lol. 

I would take Craig Goodwin of the last couple years and start him ahead of prime Kruse and Leckie anyday for the national team. 

Just because a player has a great career and plays at a higher level. Doesn't mean that their skills will naturally fall into place for the national team. Tom Rogic another example. Fantastic for Celtic in a good league and playing champions league football. For the Socceroos he was mostly invisible in most games he played, literally. 

A League players can do a great job for our team and especially if they are playing well and in great form, should be given consideration to start over players who are playing at a higher level but form is not so great.

I think you should look up the meaning of the word "literally".


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Keeper66 - 23 Feb 2024 2:13 PM
Socceroofan4life - 22 Feb 2024 6:19 PM

I think you should look up the meaning of the word "literally".


The definition of literally was reworked all the way back in 2013 my man. It can mean literally in the first sense.

However a second but informal use of it was changed/added and was officially recognized over a decade ago. To use the word for emphasis. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta41xU-tkFA



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Socceroofan4life - 24 Feb 2024 8:05 PM
Keeper66 - 23 Feb 2024 2:13 PM

The definition of literally was reworked all the way back in 2013 my man. It can mean literally in the first sense.

However a second but informal use of it was changed/added and was officially recognized over a decade ago. To use the word for emphasis. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta41xU-tkFA



Ha! Just because millennials use words incorrectly does not mean the meaning has changed. It just means they are using words incorrectly.
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I believe Popovic has improved his tank a little and with that he has found more consistency.
Although I believe stamina will never be a Arzani strength his ability to beat a man and vision to pick a pass is on another level.


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Maybe Arzani will eventually fulfil his real potential by the time he is 30!
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Getting back to Azarni, he was sensational in a couple of games both for club and country, then sadly got injured, which put him back 5 years. Having said that, one cannot doubt his talent and vision on the field, and he is young enough to do something special into his more senior years. Well, we can only wish him well, and see how he develops hopefully without injury (again).
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The balance when dribbling at speed the passing vision, closest thing to maradona aus football has seen.
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alvn1 - 25 Feb 2024 6:25 PM
The balance when dribbling at speed the passing vision, closest thing to maradona aus football has seen.

You forgot about his “ shooting “ ability.
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Vicrory had 6 shots in the first half and 3 were arzani and at least 1 shot was set up by him with a lovely backheel

Defence is improving too, he set up a great opportunity with his press

On the other hand he did miss a big chance. Plenty of time to improve his finishing but he does need to....
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