No, 11th at a world cup is the most amazing achievement the new dawn plastics could ever hope to achieve... The "NSL bitters" will stop wanting Australia to do better when they finally die out, or the ponzi scheme garbage ceases to exist, whichever comes first. 

Ah Alistair Bray, the Aleague keeper that played 3/4 of a match against Bulleen and that was it for the season what a brilliant signing that was. hahahahahahahahah .... 

To be fair i think nsl bitters have a lot to be bitter about. But if every nsl bitter stopped talking there would still be a lot of animosity. I think there is a nagging perception we should be better than we are which makes people angry

Don't take me back to the late 10's that was a horror show, Tangalakis ... the Marafioti borthers ... Alastair Bray

Is that really a question that needs a response mate?

Speaking for myself no, I simply remain a South Melbourne fan... I would be as critical of the Aleague as I am of the NPL now and was of the NSL back in the day...  Can't speak for the club as a whole or any other members but I would imagine a vast majority of the "noise" pushing for a full pyramid and NST would be silenced, at least from South fans, At least for a couple of seasons... I must say, the ONLY thing really enjoyable about the past 2 decades of state league dross has been the ever changing landscape of clubs we face during teh season... even the one dire season we had, where Hellas left it till the last round (and a win by Kingston) to secure us NOT getting relegated was thrilling... The relief felt was real, and brought a feeling of anticipation of the following season as a form of redemption I suppose.... 

The only reason why it feels like a drive for pro/rel and NST is mainly coming from South Melbourne is because we ARE the biggest fan base outside of the Aleague clubs.... We dont operate in a bubble though there is PLENTY of latent football support out there for the "old soccer" clubs still alive and kicking.... 

I had thought this too. Definitely, the case in sports (cricket and football forums) and politics on the internet. Many are perplexed about the aggression and belligerence displayed by some. 

Some coaches  and players in sport, Mitch Marsh, Brett Holman, Frank Farina as SFC coach, Ernie Merrick as MV coach for a period, David Zdrillic, and whoever coaches England, even their families,  seem to have been hounded by supposed fans and members of the public.  In the England football team coaches' tenures the media have often hammered them too!

In politics female MPs and Councillors often cop excessive trolling on the internet. 

Then recently I've participated on two other forums which have been a pleasant surprise.

One on weight training.  Constructive exchanges take place between experienced and inexperienced WTERs, with the former passing on advice to the latter seeking it. 

 Then another forum for book readers reviewing and sharing books that have been read. Some published authors interact with  avid readers seamlessly as recounts and reviews of books occur.

There is very polite and constructive discussion 99% of the time in both forums. It is very rare that they've ever been moderated. Whilst in the same cluster of forums, the cricket forum is moderated very regularly. The cricket forum is the antithesis of the others. There is so much animosity!

I suppose it is expected in the competitive and gladiatorial world of politics that there is acrimony on forums. However, a few of us on this forum have discussed it off forum as to why sporting stakeholders incur such wrath and animosity?

You are right about scrolling, Someguyjc. 

 I look forward to reading the posts the vast majority on this forum. I just skip past a few others and mostly never read their posts anymore. Occasionally I revisit them, and there is the same belligerent and negative demeanour on show I'm usually happy to avoid reading. Occasionally, a revisit turns out some interesting content - which is a pleasant surprise!

as for nsl being bad 

I wasn't there for it  (couldn't watch it growing up!) and the crowds don't look flattering

but it did have a h&a national youth league, it did have more pathways, some teams had b teams, every club had underage teams, there was an ais coe and there was an admittedly ad hoc p&r system for about 16 years

I'm curious what happens to the national team if the a league always had 14 teams, all teams had junior teams, there was a h&a national youth league, the ais wasn't shut down, we have the b teams in the npl and we at least work towards a pyramid

easy to say that haha

I don't think we would become A-League fans considering we aren't npl fans, I would still campaign for a 2nd division but I cant say the same for others.

i do wonder what happens in that case. Do SM fans become a league fans and stop campaigning for a nst?

They would probably say that would never happen, but since sm have been the one kicking up the biggest noise regarding an nst maybe south melbournes loss will eventually be australia's gain

It's the internet mate. It's just one big fight. Doesn't matter where you go, people are fighting. None of it is real though. Chances are that if you ran into anyone on this forum in a pub somewhere, you'd probably get along just fine, regardless of any disagreements you may have had on here. Scrolling is your friend. Just train yourself to scroll past anything you're not interested in. If you are walking along the footpath and you see a massive dog turd, you don't step in it, you avoid it. Sure you'd rather not see it all, but these things are easily avoidable. Plenty of good discussions happen on here in between the usual back and forth. Engage in the ones your interested in and scroll past the rest. Off season in this country is about as boring as it gets. These threads are bound to get filled will nonsense.

Here's something to think about. In an alternate timeline, South Melbourne was successful in buying Melbourne Heart and you and Mono are both at Lakeside cheering on the same team.

plus they might just fuck off if they feel like it or when the APL folds

Hahahah sorry mate, its not direct at you per se...  As for picking an NSL team, fuck that who cares.... Support whoever you wanna support thats my point. If City is your club, City is your club.... Just realise that they are NOT interested in the welfare of Australian soccer and only exist as a means for profiting off an initial investment by a foreign ownership group... 

Theres no reason why you can't pick one now *wink wink nudge nudge*

I only sat two of those things! 

Damn effniks haha joking 

I really wish I picked a team NSL when I was a young lad 

They do have the most pull...

A quick question for ppl on the thread, with City group and RedBull colonising teams all over the world it was always inevitable that one of them would get a team in Australia. Would a RedBull team be any different if they were the ones to buy an A-League licence? 

Sorted, now we have to convince the City Football group to allow the FA to introduce Pro/Rel..... 

If anything the threads will be even spicier as it will be club vs club banter NOT what league are you in and what country were the founders of your club born in?

Divisive? We just all got on the same page! Haha

Full Pyramid, Level playing field then and we can all get along

There'll be no need for Divisive threads like this

Perfect, so what are YOU going to do about it?

Im on here every day yelling and screaming and fighting for a better league and pyramid structure.... one that includes ALL clubs and ALL participants.

Meanwhile..... from the other side of the fence? 
"Lets all get along"
"Why cant we await till the Aleague is financially viable before even pretending to do anything about the the 99% of football outside it"
"But the NSL was shit so why should we want the Aleague to be better"
"Fuck the effniks, they don't belong in this country"...... 
"We qualify for world cups now, and even finshed 11th .. mission accomplished"

Ok so everything is shite we're all in agreement 🤝

Oh my dear boy... The A league IS plastic.... but so what? Is that your problem? The NPL is an even worse dumpster fire and the NSL??? Jesus Christ the NSL was horrendous... 

Just plain horrendous... I cant remember ever hearing anyone say a good thing about the league or Soccer Australia back then.. I certainly wont... 

r/ A-Leagues is a millennial cesspool, I was a part of their discord community for around a month. Their not into having proper discussions about Australian football (generally), its mainly shit memes and A-League suck offs, no real opinions just agreeance. At least nplvic goers know how crap some aspects of the league are (I could talk about it more than whats wrong with the A-League)...

The crowds for the bigger A-League teams are pretty good (even though they have been on a downward trajectory for a few years now, but sort of correcting itself from covid) but they can be better. The league is always going to be considered 'plastic' because of a few things e.g. letting in 'expansion' teams over established member federation sides and creating derbies out of thin air (shit marketing rly), a section of the community will always see the A-League as this way because of how it was created, its very manufactured (not inherently bad) with the whole catchment area stuff and perceived protection of investment for large corporations over having pro / rel. The players are ok, it just kind of sucks that the league has to resort to making 'marque' (using that word in the loosest way) signings to attract people. HOWEVER very impressed with Roar signing Rafael Struick, thats the sort of players we need to be getting in the league. Saying this stuff doesn't help getting a 2nd division but it doesn't not help, sadly its not actually up to us. I want the A-League to be good and think it can be, but the people who are running it (in my opinion) don't really care about Australian football.

MCG my brief visits lurking in reddit doesn't agree with you that most football fans here want the changes, then again they are not huge numbers to base that assumption off as well.
This will carry on whilst there is the divide and barrier stopping anything to move ahead in some shape or form aligning our 2 system model were stuck with.
As it is right now BOTH won't see the success some post in here with hope, be it NST up and running for the better of development and competition enhances growth though alas no Club has the chance to move UP to APL - and TBH I really don't think thats gonna work in anycase, its like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
IMO it can't work together in any case, its one or the other sooner or later the way I see it for they both are hamstrung, the Australia Cup is proof IF we had a 2nd level Open Pro league imagine those games from R32 or where they implemented commencing those games.
Our suits passed but more so the present have too many hurdles and factions to get inline, most bodies resist so a genuine ecosystem seems very unlikely which is a massive shame for the game's future and the huge supporter base beneath.
Therefore we will always have one closed comp and the rest as it currently is, anyone thinks thats great hoping the top builds great so be it, its a unfortunate outlook and neglect of the genuine resource that lays there.
In the meantime whilst we all get frustrated of our Roos and hope such and such steps up wouldn't it be great IF we doubled the amount of development and opportunities for the many young up and comers in the future.

most football fans in Australia want that. 
What I don't get is if you say the a league is shite the crowds are crap the players are crap the league is plastic then how does that help get a second division then p and r? 

Really we want the a league and npl to be both successful off the pitch so some guy in a suit can try to implement it. 
But if they are both unpopular then of course there's no money in it 

Melbcityguy I think you will find that most south fans aren't concerned with what is 'better' npl, nsl and a-league. We just want a chance for our team (and all member federation teams) to have the opportunity to play at the highest possible league in Australia (preferably having some sort of pro / rel). 

Thats just disgusting!!!!!  Thats it, Im revoking your Hellas membership... hahahahahahahaha