FIFA ‘very satisfied’ with World Cup referees


FIFA ‘very satisfied’ with World Cup referees

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The referees in this world cup have influenced the outcomes of too many games with bad decisions. That's bad refereeing. The standard is shocking for a world cup.
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MaRtY-BeE wrote:
Lets go over these.

Last night. Switzerland: I believe a harsh red. Consequences: practically taking a Swiss win out of the equation. A big European team (Spain) and an exciting Sth American team (Chile) benefit, as they can throw their game to spain and practically still go thru with them!.

He threw his arm out. That's a red card any day of the week. Yeah the Chilean made a meal out of it but you can't throw your arms out like Behrami did. Refs love when players do that it's such an easy decision.


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Brazil Red Card. Brazil already through to the second round. kaka on a yellow would likely be rested anyway. no real consequence. Sth American team ;)


This is actually a pretty big disadvantage for Brazil. They wouldn't of rested Kaka for the next game because they don't want to lose to Portugal and risk finishing second. Ad that to the fact that Kaka is lacking match fitness and Brazil would have used the 3rd game to get him up to peak fitness.


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Serbia first game. DELIBRATE hand ball in the box, stopping a DEFINATE goal scoring oppotunity. ball would have fallen at feet of a Ghanian. All fair, but soft when looking at kewell incident!!!
Horrible for fifa if an african team doesnt make it thru.


It's not a red card though. The only way it is a red card is if the ball would have gone into the net if he didn't touch it which it wouldn't have. Wether the ball was going to a Ghanian or not is irrelevant the rules don't deal with what ifs. There's every chance the Ghanian would have missed.



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To me, if your not Sth American, or from a big Europe nation, 'things' are against you. and as i said 1 African team HAS to make it...

Slovenia are the smallest nation at this World Cup Finals and I'd say things went pretty well for them against the biggest country in the tournament the USA.


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The disallowed goal in the USA game only helped England!!! gave them another back door at entry to the second round, Italy, England, Spain, Germany, Ghana, Chile all have had a helping hand!


THis disallowed goal would only have helped England if they beat Algeria. Since they drew it doesn't help them at all. The only team it helped is Slovenia who now only need a draw to finish on top.
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MaRtY-BeE wrote:
Group D...

Serbia first game. DELIBRATE hand ball in the box, stopping a DEFINATE goal scoring oppotunity. ball would have fallen at feet of a Ghanian. All fair, but soft when looking at kewell incident!!!
Horrible for fifa if an african team doesnt make it thru.

Australia V Germany. Cahill off. Helps Germany and Ghana as cahill is gone from the next game.

V Ghana, Different Aussie side turns up! Australia have hope, Kewell our talisman is going alright. Sent off!! kills aussies chance at winning even thou they dominated the rest of the game. very Australian effort!


The conspiracy theories need some reworking here in Group D, because they are apparantly helping 3 teams. Not sure why they'd do that.
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Lets go over these.

Last night. Switzerland: I believe a harsh red. Consequences: practically taking a Swiss win out of the equation. A big European team (Spain) and an exciting Sth American team (Chile) benefit, as they can throw their game to spain and practically still go thru with them!.

Brazil Red Card. Brazil already through to the second round. kaka on a yellow would likely be rested anyway. no real consequence. Sth American team ;)

Nzl Italy: Soft penalty helping a Big european team stay alive (my opinion 0-0 was a fair result)

Group D...

Serbia first game. DELIBRATE hand ball in the box, stopping a DEFINATE goal scoring oppotunity. ball would have fallen at feet of a Ghanian. All fair, but soft when looking at kewell incident!!!
Horrible for fifa if an african team doesnt make it thru.

Australia V Germany. Cahill off. Helps Germany and Ghana as cahill is gone from the next game.

V Ghana, Different Aussie side turns up! Australia have hope, Kewell our talisman is going alright. Sent off!! kills aussies chance at winning even thou they dominated the rest of the game. very Australian effort!



To me, if your not Sth American, or from a big Europe nation, 'things' are against you. and as i said 1 African team HAS to make it...

The disallowed goal in the USA game only helped England!!! gave them another back door at entry to the second round, Italy, England, Spain, Germany, Ghana, Chile all have had a helping hand!

Sorry we aren't from Europe or South America

Even thou Chile Deserve to be there

Edited by MaRtY-BeE: 22/6/2010 12:00:45 PM
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The ref in the Chile vs Switzerland game was absolutely shocking.
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afromanGT wrote:
Well I watched the game twice, watched the various replays, watched it on youtube. And I still can't find a reason why the ref would have blown for a foul. Especailly at the time he did.


All I can think it is, is something the Cameras didn't pick up and he hesitated a bit before blowing because he wasn't sure.

That's all I can think it could be but even that a stretching a long bow.
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Well I watched the game twice, watched the various replays, watched it on youtube. And I still can't find a reason why the ref would have blown for a foul. Especailly at the time he did.
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afromanGT wrote:
Can you or anyone else on here tell me why that goal was ruled out?


Unless that referee has a relative on here then I don't think so. I can only assume it was for a foul on a Slovenian before the ball was played in.
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Can you or anyone else on here tell me why that goal was ruled out?
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afromanGT wrote:
When he rules out a goal, blowing his whistle the second the ball is kicked, I want to know why.


Yeah you may want to know why as do I but does that really matter, no.

In the end as long as FIFA are happy with the reason as to why he ruled it out there's nothing else to it.

On the field all he has to tell the players is which way the free-kick is going, which he does with his hand signals. If he decided to elaborate on why the foul was given that's his choice.



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When he rules out a goal, blowing his whistle the second the ball is kicked, I want to know why.
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afromanGT wrote:
Simple fact of the matter is, nobody knows why he called the foul. And if you can't justify the call, there's something wrong.


He doesn't have to justify on the call on the pitch. He would have told his superiors after the match what is was for but he doesn't have to justify his decision while he's on the pitch.
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Simple fact of the matter is, nobody knows why he called the foul. And if you can't justify the call, there's something wrong.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:



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So. When the ref gives the foul there's nothing that says he must say who the foul was against.

The crux of this presentation is that WE don't knwo who the foul was against, YOU don't know who the foul was against, None of the PLAYERS know who the foul was against, and not even the REFEREE knows who the foul was against.


The referee knows who he thinks the foul was against otherwise he wouldn't have called it. All I'm saying is that he doesn't have any obligation whatsoever to tell the players who it was against.
and therein lies the problem, the lack of liability and the requirement to justify. too much power, not enough meaningful scrutiny.
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afromanGT wrote:
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So. When the ref gives the foul there's nothing that says he must say who the foul was against.

The crux of this presentation is that WE don't knwo who the foul was against, YOU don't know who the foul was against, None of the PLAYERS know who the foul was against, and not even the REFEREE knows who the foul was against.


The referee knows who he thinks the foul was against otherwise he wouldn't have called it. All I'm saying is that he doesn't have any obligation whatsoever to tell the players who it was against.
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Funky Munky wrote:
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I wasn't aware that a player going to ground without having actually made contact constituted a foul, Funky. It's getting so taht defenders can't protect the ball, or themselves.

FIFA owes us an explanation for the Kaka red, Edu's goal, Behrami's sending off and why Keita wasn't sent packing as well.


Behrami made contact with his face(lightly) and his neck.


The only time Behrami made contact with him was when Behrami stopped running and Vidal headbutted his shoulder. Watch the replay again.
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So. When the ref gives the foul there's nothing that says he must say who the foul was against.

The crux of this presentation is that WE don't knwo who the foul was against, YOU don't know who the foul was against, None of the PLAYERS know who the foul was against, and not even the REFEREE knows who the foul was against.
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Behrami red was a red, play-acting from the Chileans doesn't disguise that fact.
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road warrior wrote:
It's also been reported in the Edu incident, the ref didn't say who the foul was against.


So. When the ref gives the foul there's nothing that says he must say who the foul was against.

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afromanGT wrote:
I wasn't aware that a player going to ground without having actually made contact constituted a foul, Funky. It's getting so taht defenders can't protect the ball, or themselves.

FIFA owes us an explanation for the Kaka red, Edu's goal, Behrami's sending off and why Keita wasn't sent packing as well.


Behrami made contact with his face(lightly) and his neck.


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There have been some terrible decision at the World Cup, a big contributor to this is the cheating of other players.

Kaka's red card was a disgrace. He is a past World Player of the year & one of the fairest & non violent players in the top leagues at the moment. His suspension must be rescinded by FIFA before the next game. The player who ran into him should be suspended for the next game. If it was a car crash, the cops would have given the ticket to him as he ran into a stationary object, then cheated & acted it up shamefully.


FIFA must bring in a video analysis post match to identify any violent or cheating conduct that has gone undetected or unpunished by the ref.
Those players guilty of the above need to be suspended by FIFA for at least the next game or more.
This will reduce players cheating which is a blight on the game.

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I wasn't aware that a player going to ground without having actually made contact constituted a foul, Funky. It's getting so taht defenders can't protect the ball, or themselves.

FIFA owes us an explanation for the Kaka red, Edu's goal, Behrami's sending off and why Keita wasn't sent packing as well.
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The other probably more important issue with Kaka is how the referee came to his decision. I don't know for sure, but I it's been reported that the ref didn't see it, and he didn't talk to any of the assistants. It's also been reported in the Edu incident, the ref didn't say who the foul was against.

I can accept difference in opinion of severity (ie Cahill), or something the ref can't see (ie Smeltz offside), but the Kaka incident and the Edu disallowed goal have me perplexed about what the refs were thinking and I think need an explanation from FIFA, or an investigation. Keita really should be suspended in my opinion.
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lol another ridiculous red against switzerland, gg refs.
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Doesn't matter what Keita deserved. Kaka elbowed him, deserved a yellow, and got said yellow.


I didn't realise they'd allowed players to flail at other players heads now a days...
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If anything's unsporting conduct, it's Keita running over and charging into Kaka. If Keita was hurt he'd have got waht he deserved, but there was no reason to send Kaka off.

And after Behrami was sent off tonight for bullshit, FIFA can't seriously say the refereeing has been at an adequate standard.
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afromanGT wrote:
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Yeah, he braces normally, but he does shove his elbow back. Keita doesn't grab his chest or stomach coz he was play acting for the free.

If I elbow you in the stomach, you're going to go down clutching your stomach, winded. Cut the bollocks.


He caught him higher up, in the sternum. He obviously didn't catch him hard, but it's enough for a yellow for Unsporting Conduct. And yeah, in other circumstances I would, but if I was doing what Keita was trying to do, I'd go down clutching at my face too.
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Yeah, he braces normally, but he does shove his elbow back. Keita doesn't grab his chest or stomach coz he was play acting for the free.

If I elbow you in the stomach, you're going to go down clutching your stomach, winded. Cut the bollocks.
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-Cahill's tackle was a yellow, and a soft red, but certainly not as big as people have made it. Kewell's was fair.

I've never seen that given as a red before. Probably won't again for a long time.
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road warrior wrote:
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-You can brace yourself without needing to slip the elbow in there. Kaka saw him coming, and knew exactly what he was doing. If Keita hadn't reacted like that, and Kaka had still got the yellow for the elbow, No one would have a problem with it.

Can't agree with you there. It looks to me like that's exactly how anyone braces themself. It looks like Keita's lower face hits Kaka's shoulder (leading to the theatrics), indicating that Kaka's elbow was pretty much tucked in close to his body. Keita doesn't hold his chest or stomach, which was roughly where Kaka's elbow was.


Yeah, he braces normally, but he does shove his elbow back. Keita doesn't grab his chest or stomach coz he was play acting for the free.
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Funky Munky wrote:
-You can brace yourself without needing to slip the elbow in there. Kaka saw him coming, and knew exactly what he was doing. If Keita hadn't reacted like that, and Kaka had still got the yellow for the elbow, No one would have a problem with it.

Can't agree with you there. It looks to me like that's exactly how anyone braces themself. It looks like Keita's lower face hits Kaka's shoulder (leading to the theatrics), indicating that Kaka's elbow was pretty much tucked in close to his body. Keita doesn't hold his chest or stomach, which was roughly where Kaka's elbow was.
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-Possibly. Doesn't make what Kaka did any less worthy of yellow.

-Cahill's tackle was a yellow, and a soft red, but certainly not as big as people have made it. Kewell's was fair.
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