I'm really unsure on Le Guen - His WC debut with Cameroon has been dismal and his record is mixed at club level - great success with a strong Lyon side ofcourse, but his failure with Rangers partially involved cultural issues (Banning drinking or something) and the Australian culture isn't THAT different from Scotland, including many of our boys featuring in the UK, including some in the SPL.

And being in his mid 40s, he's still a young coach! Preferably we need a guy over 50 who has atleast 15 years experience as a senior coach, including, preferably, previous experience coaching at an International level.

TBH From that list of names broken down in another article about this:
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/socceroos/news/1009671/No-more-Dutch-for-Socceroos

I'd even prefer the far more experienced Lagerback, Aguirre, Rajevac or even dare I say, Sven Goran Eriksson... nah I retract the last one.

Pim doesn't have THAT much senior experience, including international/World Cup experience, but he still has alot more than Le Guen. But we saw that even for Pim it was hard, once you got to the WC. And for Le Guen, even HARDER for him perhaps, given how bad Cameroon failed to the likes of Japan. Infact Pim didn't have the greatest of success with South Korea and they were quite prepared to him go - So we're again after the reject of another's NT, another one prone to failure when it comes to the big tournaments?

I think we have to think a little bigger than that. Again we must learn from Hiddink era - Hiddink may be one of a select few, but still, he was VERY EXPERIENCED, so that should be considered for our NT. It's best to have a been there, done that (and reasonably well), tactician, including at WC level, IF that's possible.


What do you think about the FourFourTwo article Socceroos Line Up Le Guen?
CAMEROON coach Paul Le Guen is reportedly the favourite to take charge of Australia following the World Cup.

Have your say.

Edited by GloryPerth: 22/6/2010 04:33:23 AM

SO much better than Verbeek.

I will be smiling for days if we get him.

Verbeek may have experience, but what does that matter if you make shitty choices in any case?

I'll keep campaigning for Johan Neeskens until I turn blue:lol:

He's Dutch(a big plus for the FFA). Will know a fair chunk of the Australian team pretty well after having worked with Hiddink. Workded under Rijkaard at Barcelona and was reportedly the mastermind behind their great Champions League winning team of 2006.

They guy definitely has the ability just has to be given the chance to make the step up.

As has been discussed, Le Guen is hardly SOO much better than Verbeek - for starters he's ten years younger, so has ten years less experience, and in Pim's case most of that is experience at the International level, as both a manager and assistant. Though both Le Guen and Verbeek are similar, or at a similar level in some ways, like this World Cup was the debut World Cup for both of them (For Pim as a senior coach) and really, for both, it has well showed.

Oh Philip Cocu has been mentioned in other threads - Yeah he's certainly interesting!

BUT

Boy, he's green! Now he's far the opposite end of the spectrum, when it comes to elite level coaching experience/general managerial experience. He'd be quite a risk, experiment and surely Lowy and co would not be soo foolhardy. NOT saying Cocu may not, one day, make an excellent coach at the most elite levels, but he just doesn't have the track record yet!

Edit: Indeed Neeskens would be perfect it seems, EXCEPT, he seems to be a 'career assistant,' long time assistant to Hiddink, then paired with Rijkaard, he's already well into his 50s (58 going 59) so that shows to me IF he was interested in pursuing a career, a senior managerial career, then he surely would've done so already/by now, INCLUDING our NT job! I mean, IF he wanted to, he COULD'VE applied for our NT job circa both late 06 (Though an Aussie HAD to have it, sigh) and late 07 (When Pim was appointed). And surely, IF he had, then SURELY for reasons like you mentioned, he would've been a strong favourite.

Would be nice if he decided to apply though!

Edited by GloryPerth: 22/6/2010 04:56:20 AM

He has never been more than an assistant though apart from at NEC where he struggled.

Also, he's only recently joined Rijkaard at Galatasaray.

There are surely better options than Neeskens and Le Guen?

FFA strapped for cash again, as they chase another flop (Le Guen)...

He did guide NEC to European football for the first time in 20 years.

Yes I know there are better options but realistically who can we hope for.

I'd love Aguirre or Bielsa they would be fucking excellent.

By coming 8th. He spent five out of six years in a relegation battle.

I hear Manuel Pellegrini is looking for a job...:lol:

Don't laugh:lol: . Pellegrini took Villareal to the Champs League semis with a mediocre squad and did very well there.

He didn't do bad at Real Madrid either at any other club he wouldn't have got the sack but because he didn't win the Champions League he's gone.

Anyone know if Bielsa or Aguirre are off contract after the WC.

Aguirre only joined Mexico in April 09, if they make it out of the group I can't see him leaving.

Chile want to hold on to Bielsa but there's reports he could leave. Do you think perhaps we should have a manager who speaks english?

There have been bigger failures already at this world cup considering the resources available. domenech in particular but also capello and lippi spring to mind. please god not domenech!!!

Please, no.

Smells strongly of "not good enough".

houlier

I mean, this smells of "Pim Verbeek II: Mediocrity Strikes Back"

NO PLEASE! Everyone except him. He showed how he is not a good coach by failing with Cameroon in this world cup.
He was good at Lyon just because they had a very strong team, then he failed badly with Rangers, PSG and now Cameroon...
I hope Australia won't be his next victim.

i just read a bit about him on wiki and everywhere he went he failed.

This is just speculation. I hope in the end we get someone who's in demand, not someone whose previous amployer is demanding he resigns.

For mine Roy Hodgson would be the best candidate.
He took a mediocre Fulham squad and turned them into a cultured winning football team. They didn't win any trophies, that was a bridge too far with such a thin squad that played the most amount of competitive games in the whole of Europe.

Cultured you say?? A cultured English football coach... yes that is exactly what Roy Hodgson is...

He coached Inter-Milan of all teams and plays football how it should be. On the pitch and not in the air with kick and rush.

He was actually fishing for the Aussie job when it was available... such a shame we didn't go for him then. I think the people who matter had their heads in the sand in regards to anyone non-dutch.

Lets get this straight... Dutch coaches and Football is not the be all and end all.

Not excited at all - has not set the world alight anywhere

Le Guen would be a preferred choice if it came down to the others mentioned like Guillt or Ardiles. Le Guen was undermined by players at Rangers and was at PSG when they were at their financial worst, he bought thru some good players at Lyon(Essien,Malouda,Abidal) but was also responsible for giving David Ngog his first start at PSG, we all make mistakes. If we have to Dutch break the bank and get Cruyff

According to Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Le_Guen

he is much better then Verbeek in terms of CV. We shouldnt hold Camaroons poor WC againt all african nations are overated bad.

He has manage Lyon and theyare no only a good side but they play attactive football. We would be goof to get some scouts from france to Australia aswell.

We have scouts from England, Holland and Germany mainly which are all good leagues but France wouldnt hurt considering how technically adapt they are.

He isnt dutch which i think is good enough with dutch football they play boring tactics as of late i know they are known for exciting football but they simply dont play 4-3-3 anymore because they know its stupid to attack away from home in fron of oppisition fans.

Edited by Davstar: 22/6/2010 10:04:08 AM

Where this guy trumps Verbeek would be that he has had success at club level and has guided a nation on his own to a world cup through a tricky region. He is not ignorant to the challenges of a world cup. Even Verbeek I imagine would be a bette coach now after this world cup.

I'm not sure how Le Guen will be so much better than Verbeek?

Verbeek is vastly experienced in Asia.

We still haven't finished at the World Cup. Referees' decisions have been integral in our performances.

I am not a big wrap for La-Goon but anything and I mean anything is better than that merchant of negativity Verbeek.

Hmmmmm, I like the idea of a young coach. Still rather unproven though. Or one could say proven to be not much better then average.

LE Huen a flop? use are all wankers seriously, the guy won the French League 3 times i think with Lyon and coached Rangers. Who do we think we are not wanting someone like that? ay? Lets get over ourselves we arnt world champion contenders or close to that, a guy like this is more then welcome here

DEcentric yes im sure Australia would have comeback from 2:0 down and won 5:2 if Cahil didnt get sent off and for the Kewell thing that was a clear handball dead set penalty

He's constantly been hounded for his lack of tactical know-how at every job he's had since he left Lyon

He has a nice CV on the face of things but the fact at the end of the day, he's had NO success ever since he won those titles.

He would be better than nothing, that's obvious and no one here would disagree with that - but if we have the chance to get a coach of higher quality and a better success rate then what is wrong with preferring someone else?

Edited by COYS: 22/6/2010 10:26:47 AM

I agree, if you consider how poor Verbeek CV was i reckon Verbeek would struggle to get a job as an A-league coach, it shows how far our football has come.

However we must not get ahead of ourselves we still dont have any world class players coming through the ranks and its a massive worry that we dont have a striker who can hold the ball. We have never won any silverware and we are some what disliked in asia. Assuming we dont make it out of the Group stage in the WC we would want to win the Asian cup in 6 months or at least come close.

I wouldnt complain if Le Huen was appointed we could do worst at least he has a job unlike alot of the other applicants.

besides "those titles" you're such a wanker COYS. Do you know how hard it is to win the French league? every team is techincally good and well balanced to win it multi-times is no fluke in retrospect he has a CV simlar to Guus had at the time. Verbeek had no success ever and he got us to the WC be it playing boring football but he did.

you've once again shown you have no knowledge of football in europe



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