If we're going to make someone the second highest paid international coach in the world, then we need to be looking at value for money. Just because they'rea 'big name' doesn't mean they provide that.

I'd be hoping that if we're offering THAT much money we'd be looking at someone like your Capellos or Hiddinks...but they're not going to be willing to come. Which then raises the question; why are we offing such an obscene amount of money?

^^^^^^ + 100
Dunno if any of the club managers mentioned would be interseted, but totally agree with the sentiment.

If we are going to make someone the second highest paid international coach in the world, then we need to be looking at someone of a comparable stature to his salary.

In that circumstance Le Guen isn't the man. Maybe we need to identify who it is we actually want ie. Wenger, Mourinho, Keegan, O'Leary, Sven whoever and then go and approach them.


Would Le Guen be in the top 100 coaches in football, would Verbeek?

Edited by Joffa: 22/6/2010 10:14:01 PM

+1 The words "Pim Verbeek, Graham Arnold, Frank Farina" spring to mind :lol:

Herbert is a great coach and probably the most friendliest guy you will ever talk to. He has time for everyone and makes sure the squads (nix, AW's) are family orientated. (unlike Capello) which is a big +

sure he doesn't have a lot of experience and not overly 'professional'. Yea he sometimes swears when he talks to the media. Always says "bullshit"

I am 100% sure AUS can find someone better but I am 100% sure you can do a lot worse.

anyway fuck off, he's ours !!

You need to consider what Herbert has done with Wellington and New Zealand with very mediocre teams though. To get a draw against italy with that kind of a team is a sensational result, whether they are dominated or not, he's got the best out of Paston and a team of essentailly semi-professionals.

He'd only be a makeweight for the asian cup if he were in charge of Australia.

I agree with Victory if herbert gets the job we are doomed we might as well give up now.It is true NZ have dont far better then expected and Herbert gets full credit for that. But New Zealand were underestimated majorly by their oppisition to their credit they took advantage of that. However if you actually watch the matches NZ has played both goals were from sloppy defending rather then skillful build up play. Not to mention both games more so the italy match New Zealand was severly dominated.

If they cheapout on Ricky Herbert like they have cheaped out for so many thing in recent times. The Socceroos will be nothing more then a warm memory to those who love football.

judging by the comments left every1 is up in the air bout le guen. mixed bag of credentials. if he is in charge ill support him all the way and surely he is more an intelligent choice than ricky herbert (he was actually mentioned as a replacement in the age today). i believe he is better than verbeek as he has expansive club experience in france, scotland, the ucl and his flop at cameroon. put it this way, we could definately get alot worse than le guen. average manager, a bit speculative but nowhere near as speculative as pimverbeek

I'd certainly hope that Australia is beneath Domenech's dignity.

Hitzfeld is a quality coach. But he only recently joined Switzerland. I really think we need to wait until the end of the world cup and see all the axings before we commit to chasing one coach or another.

Australia need a coach that has proven his ability to take an average side and help them perform well above their ability.
Whilst Pim certainly has the technical knowledge to coach at this level, his biggest mistake was in realising the strengths of the Aussie team but not attempting to harness them. Australia are a side that is strong through their teamwork and has never tolerated selfish players looking to promote their own career, regardless of their ability. Pim said in an early interview how amazed he was when he came into the Australian picture after his experiences in Holland. You have only to look at teams like Holland, Portugal, Spain and England to see amazing players whose team performs well below their capabilities. Unfortunately while Pim identified our "never say die" attitude and strong team spirit, it went against his nature, as we saw in the German game where he forced Australia to try and sit back to minimise the damage. Guus on the other hand worked under the Australian setup due to the fact that he was a gambler and simply enjoyed the "all or nothing" approach.

Many of the names being thrown about on this thread and by the media are very strong technically but wont fit in with the mentality of the team. Sure it wont be easy to find someone who ticks both boxes, but that is the job of the FFA.

My dream coach at this world cup would probably be the German Hitzfield, currently coaching the Swiss, however I have no idea about the particulars of his contract. New Zealand's Herbert seems to have the team bonding aspect sorted, but I dont think he could keep a lid on the egos, or is really technically capable enough.

I have faith in Lowy. He seems to have a reasonable eye for talent. I just hope he has some say in the decision.

quoted for irony.

Hang on. Who cheated??!!

U onlt made it to the wc by cheating my ignorate friend.

On another note if Ricky Herbert coach Australia we might as well give up now

Well look at the shit manager we have that got us to a WC. I'd call that achieving something.

COYS you dont have to hide behind another account to prove your not a moron.

Dont matter how good your team is if you have shit coach you wont achieve anything look at RM as a prime example



Edited by Davstar: 22/6/2010 04:11:12 PM

Jog on.

A fucking monkey could have won those league titles with Lyon. They won like 7 or 8 in a row. The fact that Le Guen won 3 of those is no big deal. You say it's no fluke to win it multiple times. Lyon won it 7 times in a row FFS.

If he had won 3 titles in a row at any other major league in Europe ok that would be better but 3 league title in the era were Lyon were so good it was unfair is nothing to jump for joy about.

Lets go completely out of the box and get Robbie Deans or Wayne Bennett.
Pros: They are both attack minded.
They both have well drilled defences.
They both are well respected coaches with loads of experience.
They are willing to pick young players.
Cons: They know fuck all about our game. Oh shit! Thats what assistants are for!








Please take the above with a grain of salt! LOL

All this speculation on the new coach has really been blown out of proportion!

Like KA mentioned on another thread, Lowy said, "Is the coach coming from the 31 COUNTRIES that are here?" He did not say the coach from the 31 SENIOR COACHES at the WC. Therefore, we shouldn't be limiting the list of possibilities to just those senior coaches. It could be an assistant, like Phillip Cocu?

Many might scoff at the idea of Cocu being the coach, after all, he has no senior coaching experience - just assistant roles at PSV and the Dutch NT. Also, he's quite young (40 this year). However, it should be pointed out that Frank Rijkaard's first senior gig was with the Dutch NT - at the age of 36! Maybe I could also throw in Pep Guardiola's name as a young manager done good! Cocu's worked under some pretty astute football minds - Hiddink, van Gaal, Rijkaard just to name a few - and if he carries on what he learned from those men then it'll be a damn sight better than Pim's handy work!

A lot has been made of Asian experience, but it's like any job, if you're not given a go then how will anyone find out whether you can do the job? I think the selection criteria should put more emphasis on the style the new coach wishes to implement, how he plans to manage the obvious turnover of players after this WC, and his readiness to base himself in Australia and help local coaches.

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umm... what is the sound of no hands fapping?

ffa

so its going to be another 8 years before the FFA realises that mediocrity wont allow them to scrape through the group stages at the WC, nor will it win the Asian Cup, i thought pim would have taught them this much at least. sigh

Hey Bari91
Are you a regular tosser or just plain stupid? Why would a team like Ghana with all its internal problems and relatively FIFA rating be more attractive than Australia that is throwing a lot more money around than Ratjevic would be getting in Africa? Rajevac would not be on the list and his performance with Ghana in this WC is at best average.

I really dont get all the insults being thrown around on here. You can disagree with someones opinion without getting insulting about it.
As the quote on Benjamin's posts reads --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Side by side, not head to head. Together, let's build this game.

Ok because you have no idea ill put this in simple terms FFA put an ad out across the world for a coach. No one decent have stepped forward so FFA raised the wage of the national coach to about 6Million AU$.

FFA have probably approched a number of coach in the WC ie Joachim Low. However most of these coaches are going to tell the FFA no chance in hell do i want to live in Australia for four years away from my family.

Ok still with me, pay attention now this is were it gets tricky COYS

When a manager gets linked in this case the (front runner) it means the FFA have approched this coach and he didnt say 'NO'. So now it becomes in the what we call in the football world 'speculation' or a 'link'

All the managers u mentioned above have not been linked to the position either due to having no interest or no having been approched.

Now out of the people who are actually interested in the job this guy wins hands down.

Again i dont think he is the best suit for the Socceroos position i think we need someone who can develop a team since out squad is pretty old now.

However he is by far the best coach to have interest in the Job perhaps since Guus.

Again you have shown how little you know about football: Domenech is a dud and if you ever through Low would leave germany for Australia you a dumber then i ever imgined. The only coach you mentioned that might join the Socceroos would be Sven and to be honest i seriously doubt it due to his disorganised approch to tactics he allows players to much freedom which is good when you have a creative team, however Australia lacks play makers and tachnically skilled strikers so he wouldnt be good for the job.

People definitely understimate that copponent of it, it's double hard for us because our players are coming from outside the confederation in most instances.

Another tick for Bradley, he's been through similar with the US :P



Edited by Andyroo: 22/6/2010 01:08:01 PM

What wonders has he worked??
Ghana have scored 2 goals this tournament. Both gifts from the spot. And were made to look pretty ordinary against 10 men.
The only wonders I can see is, I wonder why hes coached the Ghanaian-ness out of Ghana.
Speaking to a Ghanaian cabbie the other day, and he HATES him.

I dont think Rajevac would want to coach the Socceroos anyway the guy is ambitious and coaching the Socceroos for him would be a let down. Hes done wonders with Ghana.

Listen to the players. They have all said they qualifying through Asia throws up different challenges to other confederations. The travel, the numerous time zones, the numerous wether condidtions. Pim may have been negative in his tactics, but he knew the challenges of Asian qualifying.
We may not need someone with previous Asian experience, but at least an understanding of these challenges is very important.
And our qualifying for the next WC may be a very different path. Look at the asian teams that did not qualify this time around. Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE, China, all VERY tough places to go and get points.

Their going to get Bradley from the US..... would **** Foz off no end (the sole reason for doing it). Their would be such a bitch fest based on his nationality and frequent use of the word Socca that eventaully people will feel sorry for him and then coupled with him having the team playing an attacking brand of football would end up one of the most loved coaches to have ever coached the Socceroos.

Pluses
Cheaper than most
Has delt with many similar issues re travel and conditions to what Australia has to deal with
speaks English (well kind of)
Has previous coaching experience
Heaps of headline ideas
Picked a 29 year old MLS player for the world cup who previously had **** all caps...but was smart enough to pick mainly European players.

negatives
Sneaking suspicion he might be a bit at pants tactics....but still miles better than Arnold

Welcome to Australia Aussie Bob :)

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why would be we restrict ourselves to coaches with asian experience? our qualifying route isnt that hard...

Aguire and Bielsa play a great style of football, which is suited to their teams and to South American football in general. But who is to say that that style will work with Australia and in Asia.
I think our showing at the previous Asian Cup, coupled with Pims qualification for both WC and AC demonstrates that a knowledge of Asia should be a pre-requisite.
Rehagle - dont make me laugh. We lambast Pim for being negative...... enough said.
Rajevac - doesnt have enough experience anywhere, let alone in Asia. But of the names above, he does have some experience as an assistant in asia, at Beijing Guoan.
I dont think Domenech or Loew would coach outside of Europe, not that we would want Domenech anyway.
Sven clearly didnt have a good time in Mexico. But his record previous to this is pretty good. Although only in Europe. His 2 coaching positions outside Europe have so far been less than flattering. Ivory Coast, although in the "group of death", have not been very impressive. And no Asian experience.
That leaves Le Guen and Lagerback.
Le Guen was very lucky to coach Lyon at the time he did, as they had the best squad in France by some margin. But I really dont think he would be good for Australia.
Lagerback has very little experience outside Sweden. He did very well with them, and I think the Swedish team are pretty similar to us, especially physically.

Of the manes listed I think Sven would be the best fit for Australia, although he would probably come with a large price tag. But I really dont think any of the listed names are under serious consideration.

Hodgson will either be at Fulham or Liverpool.
Neeskens is a number 2, and Rijkaard, I think he likes club football.

For mine, there are really only 3 realistic options. Troussier, Beenhaker, and Houlier. Although Houlier probably isnt that realistic either.....

Do not envy the FFA in this decision, cos they MUST get it right.