Fuckin' lol.


What do you think about the FourFourTwo article England Ripped Apart By Germany?
ENGLAND are on their way home after rampant Germany went on a goal blitzkrieg to rip their old rivals apart 4-1 in a dominant display which overshadowed a row over a missed goal.

Have your say.

4 - 1 to Germany against England with 11 men on the field for the whole game.
Is it Fabio Capello's fault, poor tactics?
Should they attack them more & play for the shirt? then blame the foreign coach when you weren't good enough.
Bullocks Fozzie!

At least Australia's result doesn't look that bad anymore.

Now when anyone mentions the 4-0 we can point to England...

Ripped apart is putting it nicely. But the english will of course say, "but if Lampards goal had been allowed", and it should have. Dont think it would have changed who won the game though.

An embarassing performance. Of course the English press will say if that goal had been allowed England would have won completely ignoring the fact that England were second best apart from 5-10 mins in the first half.

An abysmal World Cup from Rooney who was supposed to take it by storm.

Wouldn't be surprised if Capello gets the sack now.

Capello to Australia??? :p

I think Lampards goal being disallowed was bullshit but neverless Germany looked the Stronger side. Ozil run really destoryed them, Germany are looking primed to win this competition.

English media is primed to bitch about everyone

Isn't Capello on some long term contract worth $$$?

rooney should start looking at trailers and trailer parks...based on the future he just wrote :p

That was my thought also. He'll be available.

This game has put that result into perspective. Germany must have 'anti-Anglo country fever' this World Cup. We spared the US and New Zealand that fate.

It's appeared that Germany could have made the goal margin against Ghana bigger but they didnt try just that so Australia could get through to the knock out stage. Or the Ghanaian coach read the German game so well to minimize the deficit? Its now quite intresting to see how far Ghana can go at this WC.

Shocking performance - but that's what happens when the coach selects no left-sided midfielder and is forced to play his best attacking midfielder on the wrong side (thus negating his ability); picks a defensive midfielder who fails to defend ahead of his only creative midfielder. I feel sorry for Rooney - out of sorts he may have been, but in four games how many times was he played into any goalscoring position?

Capello couldn't have f*cked up more if he had tried.

As for Lampard's goal? Yes, it would have made a difference - but this is football, some you get, some you don't. No sense crying about it - we had another 50-55 minutes to get another.

During the 75th minute of the Germany Ghana game the Ghanian bench was counting the number of goals needed and so on, they were referring to the Australian game.

May be immoral that both teams took it easy in that game but not illegal as such. Germany was involved at an infamous 1982 game where they took a go-slow and FIFA changed the rules to make all last group games played simultaneuosly.

Looks like some circumstances can buck the system though. Modern technology wouldn't help, as we can all see the results instataneously via mobile, digital TV etc etc

they made england look 2nd rate, and Fozz look stupid. Although that latter part is not all that hard.

I was watching it with an English expat, complaining about the goal and the ball all game. Was rather amusing. Brilliant.

If they didn't make the Round of 16 they were going to ask him to resign. I suspect they will do that now. Of they had lost 1-0 or 2-1 to Germany they wouldn't but the fact that they were completely embarrassed is unacceptable to the British.

How much would Paul Dempsey be loving this as an Irishman. Sees France capitulate and now England.

Wouldn't have mattered much to the game if it did go to 2-2 - Germany were all over it and probably would have gone even harder and ripped a few more goals in.

Oezil, Lahm, Mueller, Khedira and Podolski were all simply superb. I don't really care about England's lack of performance because I was so entranced by the fluidity and grace which Germany played with.

That said - there were a lot of players that put in diabolical performances for England, but enough about Wayne Rooney - John Terry looks like a mental patient out there. Something's not right in the head, there. He's an absolute liability and he wasn't all there tonight. Upson had to cover for a number of positional and marking errors made by Terry - with varying degrees of success.

just embarrassed

Freakin hilarious stuff. I'm based in Scotland and the levels of schadenfreuden are only matched by the levels of relief that the english have once again won squat despite them being the best team in the world ever an' that innit.

The Germans were red hot though. Just hope they haven't peaked too soon - I would love to see an attack minded side such as them take out the tournament rather than some of the piss boring defensive outfits that are left.

Shame that goal wasn't allowed. I don't think you can really say that it didn't change the result. At 2-2 it is a completely different game. I will tell you why.

Capello should be sacked but not for his selections. England played good and had plenty of very good chances. Lampard had a close shot well smothered, a disallowed goal and thumping free kick of the cross bar. Defoe headed onto the bar which was called offside but wasn't... etc etc.

The reason why Capello should be sacked is because of the space in midfield and between David James and the defense. The Australia game (and now England game)combined with the Ghana game should have taught Capello one thing. Limit the space!!!! in midfield and behind the defenders especially. When you give this German team room... they will slaughter you.

Back to the disallowed goal... if that goal is awarded and it is 2-2... England don't need to press for an equaliser.

2-1 creates a need for an England goal which = England pressing further up the park which = copious amounts of space for the German machine, which = 4 goals to Germany.

Australia game should have been the blue print on what not to do against Germany. On that note - Sack Capello.

P.S. I don't feel sorry for England but there were two horrific referee mistakes in this game that lead to a denied goal and goal being wrongfully awarded.

We all know the obvious one where the ball crossed the line... but the first goal by Klose... when the ball was kicked by the German keeper, Klose and another German attacker were about 2 metres offside.

For the most part... the offside calls in S.Af. 2010 have been close to 95-98% correct and it has been great but this one was pretty bad.

#-o Was hoping someone would bring this up. Ok before you go on about how bad it was that they weren't called offside I suggest you go read the laws of the game. Klose collected the ball directly from a goal kick, which as stated in the laws of the game you can NOT be offside from.

Klose could have been standing in the 6 yard box and if he;d scored it would have been allowed.

Yip, can't be offside from a goalkick according to the Laws of the Game. Even the english commentators on the BBC coverage grudgingly conceded that point when looking in vain for excuses for their boys' crapness.

Just figured it out... its the Nike Curse...
Drogba - broken Arm & I,C GONE !!!
Canavaro - Italy, GONE !!!
Rooney - England, GONE !!!
Ribery - France, GONE !!!
Ronaldinho - didn't even get to GO !!!
Ronaldo ???

Don't lump the Scots, Northern Irish and Welsh in with that comment fella. I guarantee they aren't embarrassed by the pathetic-ness of that English performance. Amused maybe, but certanly not embarrassed.

IMO that denied goal was actually critical, but then as an Aussie it's kind of amusing seeing the poms get slaughtered still.

When that goal was denied England actually continued to play quite alright for a little while, and then appeared to panic and throw the midfielders forward and lob the ball from the back all the way over. The English were not at their best and therefore were just turning it back over, giving the Germans paddocks of space to run - and they were much faster than the English, so the result was obvious.

"Just figured it out... its the Nike Curse..."

I totally agree Wurm, I have been saying that since the start of the WC. First job of the new manager for 2014 is to ban participation in Nike ads. It is the biggest jinx.

Indeed, was waiting for some one to bring this up - Is it no co-incidence that since day dot, or even before perhaps, the tournament all these players have been underperforming, to say the least?

It's rather funny really, considering the irony of the subject matter featured in that ad campaign we are being CONSTANTLY bombarded with (Along with the damn Castrol one, making us doubly sick of Cristiano Ronaldo).

As we've been brainwashed with - The basic idea of the ad campaign is that there are key moments in these fictitious big matches which can determine whether the player will become a national hero or zero. Well, instead of the obvious happy conclusion every time, the 'hero result' of many babies being named 'Wayne,' 'hugging the Queen,' 'songs feting Cannavaro,' 'Giant Statues of Ronaldo' and 'Cristiano's Ronaldo guest spot on The Simpsons,' it's more the 'Zero Result,' in reality. Mind you it's not hard to see Ronaldo being on The Simpsons anyway, especially given the state The Simpsons has been in, this decade - as reflected by Homer even appearing in this appalling ad campaign - scraping the barrel. Once Homer and co had standards, ah well. They've gone a long way since their classic episode about 'The Soccer: Which nation is the greatest on earth, Mexico or Portugal!' We know that Ronaldo couldn't have featured for that Portugal team - As even Homer has heard of him, apparently.

I think it 'seems' part of the failure of some of these guys, like Rooney, Ribery and even Ronaldo, is quite simply due to their failing to meet the great expectations placed on them. And there's soo much hype, pressure that comes with this expectation - Rooney, as the ad suggests, was meant to be England's Saviour, the one to lead them to Glory again atlast, under their 'Fab' new coach. But he fizzled right from the start.

The only one true to form in the ads, is Ribery ofcourse - He fails in the ad, and he failed in the real life World Cup too - just it wasn't Rooney tackling him, it was every defender and midfielder that was making him in the Group stage, that is on the rare occasions he could get the ball or hold onto it longer than a second.

One has to wonder - If their World Cup form would have been better off through NOT featuring in these ads? But who can say, ah well.

And now, well now we can see the Plan B of their campaign - A shortened version featuring just the Ronaldo part AND a new one featuring Robinho and a Brazilian Mardi Gras float of him, with a dancing girl, at the end. What?! Nike are determined to put the curse on him aswell?

Watch this space - Robinho to get an untimely red card to miss the final, or, forbid, break his leg or some unfortunate injury. Bloody nike, just do it, screw it.


BTW You know what else is ironic - The one superstar, the one TRUE superstar who supersedes them all, who just happens to NOT be in that ad campaign - HAS lit up this tournament, and his name is Lionel Messi. He's clearly shown that he has no rival - He IS the world's best player - Ronaldo? Rooney? Still over hyped and second rate pretenders, who can't shine on the world stage, when it matters most.

The bigger the occasion, the more Messi seems to shine, it seems. And he don't need no mega bucks ad campaign to suggest so, he just proves it on the pitch, time and time again.

Edited by GloryPerth: 28/6/2010 08:20:06 AM

For the win! =d>

Gutted really. Again. Wish I'd been born somewhere else. :)

Like many,I think it's worth considering what use a manager is sometimes. Capello and Verbeek both ran seamless qualification campaigns then both seemed to lose faith in their teams. Both ignored young talent and proven scorers - even ignored their own systems - when it came to the big stuff. Maybe it's better to have a manager who's a mascot (Maradona) who just makes everyone feel good and lets the players express themselves?

Just how an England squad with that much talent can - yet again - play so badly is tyhe real question. Rooney who?

Edited by jessesdad: 28/6/2010 09:28:34 AM

There is an old adage that says you can only play as well as your opposition lets you. Germany let England play for about 10 minutes before half time. The rest of the time they gave them a football lesson. It was beautiful to watch.

Ich bin so glücklich wie ein Kind essen strudel.

I think the poms demise just proves most of their squad are great "club" players mixed with top "euro" imports in the EPL....
Regardless of Lampard's goal first half they were never in it.
Germans showed they may have a "golden generation" in the making ? imo, swift pass's speed youth best ingrediant for any team and hate to say it great to watch !
How they carved us and the poms up is Football.

Edited by M.L.: 28/6/2010 10:04:34 AM

I am AUCH as happy as a kid eating strudel!!! :lol:

For anyone who loves watching English fans tear their hair out, the comments at this Guardian link are gold:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/jun/27/england-germany-world-cup-2010

Mind you, the five problems identified by the writer are very much the same as Australia's problems facing Germany, except for that "False sense of superiority". The difference is that Capello had time to study Australia's game, so he shouldn't have been so surprised.

A lot of anger at Murdoch in those comments, I notice.

With the progression of Ghana and Germany to the quarters it kind of confirms the strength of our group, but gives me the shits when thinking of what might have been if things were a little different. Argentina and Germany should be a cracker, anything less than 3-2 either way would be a surprise.

haha good point damo.

did you hear when fozzie said after the game that it wasn't capello's fault... "he couldn't get the players to change the way they played"

so australias loss was all verbeek, but englands fault was all the players.

Fozzie is a twat

Didn't deserve to lose 4-1. Even so, it was a shocking performance. Despite dominating the first 20 minutes of the second half, it was two breakaways which cost them.

it would've been interesting to see what would've happened if Lampards goal had been counted...would've been very interesting indeed.

Bollocks - watching a different game :? Lampards goal or not Terry and that backline wouldn't have saved them anyway.

My junior coach used to say for 90% of the game you, as an individual player, will not have the ball. Its the game you play without the ball that matters. The movement and positioning of the German players off the ball was as perfect as I've seen. Its what creates the passing lanes for the player with the ball and allows them to cut through the defence. Just Brilliant.

THIS.

they way they move on counter attack is awesome. Like each other player knows what the other is doing.
Muller had one of the best games of the tourney.

I don't dispute it but can some one tell me when this law changed?

Back in the day when I played (a while ago), this was considered offside.

Ozil and Mueller are getting a lot of plaudits, but Khedira has impressed just as much, if not more. Stuttgart will have a fight on their hands to keep him.

First France, the it was Italy, now the Poms. What next? I reckon Spain.

How is it Verbeek's fault?

At present this young German team will be dominant for many major tournaments yet

They would have ripped apart any formation Pim would put out. Their off the ball movement, pace and technical ability is probably the best we have seen so far at this cup

Argentina would be up there with Germany


Brazil have been kaka and so have Spain

Edited by liverpool: 28/6/2010 12:58:02 PM

exactly.

Gerrard was crying to be played behind rooney and joe cole play on the left, but no, capello does shit all. defoe was crap in both games he played. gerrard kept coming in and that meant we went too narrow.

we made the mistake of not picking adam johnson and theo walcott. joe hart should have been number 1.

the side at the world cup played with no passion, determination or drive. they seemed tired and just there to make up the numbers.

capello should be sacked. hes job was to take us to the last 8 at minimum in the world cup and he failed at that and therefore he should get the boot.

put Roy Hodgson in charge of the squad.

its crap being an england fan. every single competiton they fail you. overpaid to underperform.

its time a paid per performance system was brought in.

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England and Australia have now been knocked out by the German scum. :( FML. Quite frankly i'm tipping Germany will go on t and win it.

the difference was pace and purpose. Germany had plenty and England had next to none. Most easily seen in the final goal which Barry should have got to quite easily.

A very good team going forward are Germany but we were pedestrian and unimaginative yet still scored twice - though only one counted - and hit the woodwork twice which raises questions about their defence.

The first goal was down to dire defending, the second was due to lazy running by Cashley who did not track Muller's run and he should have. The others were beautifully executed break aways - Gerrard just could not catch Muller for the final one despite chasing hard all the way.

The disallowed goal would have made a difference but who is to say another defensive error would not have occurred. Simply we never looked convincing apart from one half against Slovenia and selecting non scoring strikers is no way to win a world cup. We paid the price for not topping the group - which would have happened had we finished Slovenia off in that first half. Enough said.

Germany, specifically Podolski and Klose are doing their best to prove you wrong...

. But they proven goalscorers for their country

I can't wait for the german and argentina game! if the refs can come good (doubt it) it could be the best game of the tournament so far. Germany beating argentina will definitely in my mind put them as odd on favourites. For now I still believe argentina are a better team.

Germany and Argentina still don't look that particularly comfortable at back but german keeper looks the better of the two. Attacking wise, they can't do know wrong. Both can pass and go with ease. flicking it over and darting pass players. IT'S GOING TO BE AWESOME.

I still feel argentina will have it over this very talented german team. I personally don't want germany to win but they have been wonderful to watch (except the aussie game but thats not even the reason I want them to lose lol)

As for england they had what? 10 mins of good football the whole game and perhaps going into the 2nd half equal could have changed things but to be honest, germany always look like they were going to win with their diagonal passing and open game cutting through the hapless england defence. Rooney was no where to be seen and gerrard looked useless on the wing. By the time heskey came on, you really couldn't see them getting anything back from the game.

In the end, GERMANY AND ARGENTINA game is going to be so awesome!!!

So are Rooney and Defoe - who also scored 50 odd goals between them this past season.

Podolski and Klose had scored, what, 5 goals between them?

So are Rooney and Defoe - who also scored 50 odd goals between them this past season.

Podolski and Klose had scored, what, 5 goals between them? [/quote]

Yep both had very average seasons above talk about hitting form at the right time !



Edited by M.L.: 28/6/2010 03:23:42 PM

You can't be offside from a:

- Goal kick;
- throw in; or
- corner

Not sure when (or if) the rule changed.

My mistake. Apparently that has been the rule since way back when.

Am with stepcef.

The positioning of the german players in the final 3rd was breathtaking.They are just so fast and so is their tempo.

The worst thing is the poms will be whinging for the next 40 yrs about the denied goal.

England looked like a team of individuals NOT a team. Dont think the boot needs to be put into Rooney. He cant score without decent service.

They need Rednapp or Steve Bruce as their next coach. Someone that will bleed for there players and ensure the players bleed for each other and instill some pride in the shirt.

Well this will give John Terry some time to spend with more teammates girlfriends before the new season. England should of picked wayne Bridge instead and then they at least might have played as a team

The fluid and almost telepathic attack of the German's is astonishing to watch, I will admit to even admiring the brilliance and flair of Ozil and Muller when they destroyed us too. They are simply a joy to watch, Ozil, Muller, Podolski and Klose just click so beautifuly the grace and speed they apply in systematicaly dismantling opponents is incredible. I thought at the start of this tournament that a Germany with Ozil pulling the strings would be more deadly than one with Ballack but never this efficiently.

Why should Wembley be covered in A4 sheets?
[spoiler]Because England only look good on paper.[/spoiler]

Poetic justice!!

IMO, Lampards goal made all the difference. England had some wind in their sail up until that point. After the goal not being allowed they seemed to loose some composure on teh ball and then try too hard to peg it back again. This led to the 3rd goal and the forth was simply because they had no other choice.

England enjoyed a good 15-20min of dominant play up until the miss. My bet is if they had scored that Lampard goal they wouldn't have attacked so heavily and as such teh result would not have been 4-1. It may have gone the other way potentially as well.

Someone mentioned Garath Barry in instead of Gerard. Thats one decision I agree with. Gerard should have played next to Lampard and a true left side player put in the squad or even J Cole on that side. Barry was not the way to go.

The 3rd goal was down to simple incompetence. It was the 67th minute FFS they were only down 2-1 there was no need to push everyone forward like that when you're only down 2-1 and therefore it was 3v2 at the back and the rest is history as they say.

All four goals were down to simple incompetence tbh.

The first especially how Terry is supposedly a world class centre back is just beyond me. The mistakes he made for both goals were just criminal.

The 4th goal I'll put more down to England just chasing the game and Barry got put paced. It was a bit understandable that they conceded that 4th after they had to go forward. But what made them think they needed to throw so many bodies forward in the 67th min only 2-1 down is just unbelievable.

Personally, I thought it was the second goal that was the stupid one. There was some 30m between Upson and Johnson across the pitch and John Terry was all over the place chasing the ball like a schoolboy. The whole lot was just foolhardy defending.

exactly, I was quoting fozzie. I don't think it was all verbeeks fault. I was pointing out fozzies hypocrisy!