Football, you have to love it...

I work and play in the KDSA and I always work for my local cricket association.

Do you want to know the affiliation fees paid to NSWDCA (NSW District Cricket Association)? $500! That's for an Association with around 4,000 members.

Do you want to know what we pay FNSW and FFA in the KDSA? Runs in to the many hundreds of thousands.

I also love how certain Associations are named at the start of this thread as being part of Team Forrest. Anyone worth their salt in community sporting organisations would've switched the thread off then.

The idea that certain associations have formed alliances shows an extreme level of mismanagement by FNSW and embodies all that is wrong with football in this state. I don't know Forrest and I am not going to lay claims of corruption, to which I would have no idea, but all I have taken from this thread and all that I have heard elsewhere, a clean sweep of FNSW is needed pronto.

Frankly, I have heard and seen nothing in NSW in my 20 years of being involved in football that has inspired any level of confidence. I would rather see the FFA come in and have a go than continue this path. If it fails who cares.. won't get any worse than it already is.

Tumbleweeds.

No more excuses in NSW. Please get our state football working again. Rid the nepotism that stiffles talent.

OMG! Jim Forrest resignation accepted! ... All those surprised by this say I?

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Anyone?

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its a very uncertain tomorrow. we are just going about our business getting prepared when all hell brakes loose and Lowy finally gets jailed for tax evasion

Hmmm All the normal anti-FFA "the sky is falling" lot are being pretty quiet

Well, well, well...

http://www.footballnsw.com.au/index.php?id=17&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=4735&tx_ttnews[backPid]=389&cHash=0886bbd828

What will our friends at Belmore, and that silly website, think now?

Its not important at all because look who wrote it.

Real plastic i am since i followed the NSL since the age of 5.

I reckon it would be a fairly good bet that you never saw an NSL game ever, and that you are probably barely 14 years old.

I am so plastic I have only been interested in football since 1990. FMD.

how big and important is that article above and no one has commented?

shows what these plastics understand about football

FNSW PRESIDENT'S REBUTTAL "IN-WRITING"

     We have for you today FNSW President Jim Forrest's rebuttal of what's been going on...

     Enjoy...

      "Dear member of FNSW,

      You would expect that any recommendation to remove a director from office would be clearly substantiated.  Wrong, because recommendations in the Addendum to the Commission of Enquiry (CoE) provide no details.  Nor is support to be found in the main part of the report. 

     You would expect provision for an appeal against any recommendations, or at least a meeting between the Boards of FNSW and FFA.  Wrong again.  It would seem that FFA were fully apprised as to the contents of the CoE report prior to receiving it, as instead of any meeting, with FNSW, as required by the National Charter, FFA went straight for the baseball bats. FFA (Frank Lowy and Ben Buckley in separate phone calls) required me to resign now, but would allow me to make a “statement” in “a month or so”.  Hang him first, ask why later. 

     You would expect FFA would not first suspend the Commission of Enquiry on legal grounds in mid-October 2010, then, without further explanation, warmly embrace the report in early December.  Wrong yet again.  Why?

http://www.therealgame.com.au/blogs/lucky-laki/29/fnsw-president-s-rebuttal-in-writing

Yes it may. It also may not have, unfortunately like many similar organisations we have no access to the way their finances are run.

Well obviously you cant say that the $10 I paid for rego this season has just gone to the Roar. But the point is that the FFA have spent a few mil propping up the A-League over the 6 years. So it's safe to say that, directly or indirectly, the levy IS contributing to keeping failing a-league clubs alive.

There was plenty of outrage when SA introduced the fee to clear their debt, and I understand why. The fee though serves a useful purpose with regard to the development and running of multiple innitiatives that benefit the grass roots or support our national teams. The money that has gone into the HAL comes from a variety of sources and I would be merely speculating to suggest that the NRF is being used or not used for HAL purposes.

Dont be so naive.

Not sure I understand your question.

For the record, I dont think any of the old NSL clubs belong in the A-League. I also think that a B-league is a very stupid idea.

I still don't comprehend how on one hand you can say the FFA levy to support their activities is bad and try to differentiate it and say FNSW Capitation Fee to support it's activities is OK - Surely its just a "FNSW tax on Kiddies" too. For your average association club player - say U12 - you could argue what do FNSW or FFA do for them for the $20 odd dollars in fees. Its simply the model of how the sport is funded in this country. I could equally disagree on how FNSW spends my levy as much as I can disagree how FFA spends my levy. Would be good if FNSW didn't try to hide it's capitation fee - at least FFA are transparent! You could argue that FNSW with millions in the bank is ripping of the associations and their clubs too. It's completely a non arguement - this is how football as a sport has to be funded at the moment - that's it ...

My main point is if we are going to progress as a sport we need to be inclusive and work together to the common end - a common vision for football. The State League Clubs V Associations issue must be finally resolved by FNSW members - coming up with structures with new names that is essentially council of clubs and council of associations won't work. We need a unified voice in football in NSW - and one that includes our national governing body.

Hopefully Sydney Branch members realise that tomorrow night!

I wasnt referring to other charges. Clubs set up their own fees and players are free to pick and choose from one of hundreds of clubs if they feel that fees are too expensive at some clubs. I cant answer where these charges go or what they cover.

Like I said before, there was outrage when SA brought in the levy but now it's encouraged.

I can just imagine all the frothing at the mouth had SA ever used their own funds to prop up Sydney United or South Melbourne. "ZOMG theyre using our childrens' money"

Aussiesrus: You do realise that no one else was willing to give the FFA any money don't you?

There would have been no HAL, no successful World Cup, no successful Matildas etc etc etc. I assume you are unhappy about the fact that the FFA actually has an income?

What do you think of the money that the FFA gives to the State federations etc?

What do you think of the development of the coaching curriculum to the point that it is actually a viable alternative to going to UEFA to complete your coaching badges?

What do you think of the emphasis that has been placed on skill development over winning games in juniors that the FFA has mandated?

Or is it a case of you thinking all of these things would have been possible by an organisation that had no income?

OldnNew,

There is a big difference where the money comes from and what that money is used for. You have two entities here.

How can I put this...FFA take fees off every grass roots player in the country called kiddie/player tax and is an added tax they funnel via FNSW and every other football state. FFA then ues this money to run A-League. A-League is bleeding money and even the top team struggles to make ends meet. IE: FFA handing roughly over $1.5 million dollars to bail out Brisbane Roar (Thats kiddie tax money given to BR). Because of bad a-league managed clubs FFA run at a loss of $6 million this year. So basically we have established that FFA takes from the poor and gives to the rich. Now let's look at what FFA give back to the poor. FFA sold the rights of every kid and every Australian the dream to see an a-league match and the national side play to foxtel who hold our sport to ransom by way of paytv. It cost families roughly $90 per month to get foxtel, The average Australian struggles to find money for fees so their kids can play football and cannot afford foxtel. So what we are seeing here from FFA is pay pay pay and even when you do pay via fees etc you get nothing back and your rights taken away. Nothing in return for grass roots at all. So they take take take. It's a view from FFA of we are right jack in our ivory towers taxing your kids stuff you and every Australian.

Given the way FFA is run why would anyone in NSW want to see their money being funnelled into a poorly run business that just is a big bill. Yes they will funnel funds because there views are A-league is the priority and grass roots must pay for its survival. There is no doubt about that hence the kiddie tax. FFA need to get their own business affairs in order and be profitable and successful before the people of NSW should even contemplate letting FFA run their state bodies.

FNSW is a well managed well run profitable business that gives a lot back to the people of NSW. They take fees and give back to the poor and are working for the people of NSW who's money they manage. The hundreds of thousands of people who play football at grass roots don't give two shits about a-league or it's existance. To them it's about playing the game they love at an affordable price. Why should the people of NSW be taxed so rich can play football and be flown around the country living a lavish lifestyle at grass roots expense while most football associations are just struggling to keep afloat, playing on grassless pitches and struggling get to referees for a match.

At the end of the day it's like the poor are being ripped blind so that FFA can drive it's limousines around at the football publics expense. Our country is a democracy and our states footballing bodies is a democracy. The FFA is a dictatorship and don't give two shits about anyone except themselves.

Here's an answer to your serious question.

FNSW has been slowly bringing about change to our states top teams cultural views towards a more multiculural focus. But these things take time and patience and understanding. You cannot expect for EG: Sydney Olympic or Sydney Croatia to simply wipe or erase instantly their proud heritage of who they are and their lineage history which built those clubs foundations. In time hopefully these clubs instead of saying i'm a proud greek aussie or proud croation aussie can boast i'm a proud aussie greek or proud aussie croation. There is a subtle difference yet a world apart. Clubs like these will survive and always have a future. It depends how they achieve the move to multiculuralism and at what speed will determine their tier level in future. I for one never want to relive those tribal days of football that segregrated our football community. I would rather see clubs flags flown instead of other countries flags flown at a football match.

Edited by Aussiesrus: 8/2/2011 10:21:38 AM

Our money, FNSW money, FFA's money .... FFS it's Football's money - we all contribute towards it - it should be used to better football in NSW - and why do you automatically assume FFA could or would (1) take the funds (2) use it to prop the A-League up? It's like making the arguement about how kids fees "gouged" by FNSW are used to prop up the FNSW Premier League Comp ... it a no win arguement - we need the A-League - we need the FNSW Premier League - both important development pathways.

Serious Question: Other than allowing the old NSL clubs in the A-League or creating a B-League (and only because those topics have been done to death here) - how do you think the old NSL clubs could be part of a new vision for football in this country? How can we get say Sydney United working side by side with say Manly United or Northern Tigers developing football together? How can they be part of the solution? History is VERY important, as is the multi-cultural makeup of this country. BUT the game needs a future too ....

It's not just up to FFA to determine the future of football ... we all have a responsibility

How about you read the letter that the FFA sent to every state federation for distribution to every club about what they are using the fee for.

Also no I don't get your point. The NRF is the smallest component of the fee a junior pays each year and you want to know why it is still being charged. WTF are the other charges put on juniors so high? Isn't that a much more sensible question? WTF are there over $190 worth of charges that juniors pay? Can you answer that?

Not really interested in what the fee is. Think you've missed my point completely

Sorry mate missed it.

The fee is charged to every player across the country and the highest fee is levies against professional players.

The fee is the same no matter the age group until you become a professional player.

The fee is $11.50 and has gone up $1.50 in the past 4 years. I don't see how that is gouging junior footballers.

What do the clubs, local federations and state federations do with the remaining $190+ of the fees juniors pay?

EDIT: small piece of miss information Amateurs also pay a higher fee than Juniors. The fee was $10 in 2006 and is $11.50 in 2011, $1.10 from each registration is returned to the State federation. The time before 2008 (when the current fee came in AFAIK) that the fee increased was in 2002.

Edited by General Ashnak: 4/2/2011 02:46:51 PM

Can someone complete my list of the 10 best things that FNSW has done in the last 15 years?

I'll start in no particular order;

1. Waratah Cup (that was 20 years ago - but credit for keeping it going)
2. ?

Frank has had his eyes on FNSW from the word go...

Here ya go fellas...It's exactly as we said..A-League is failing and the battle is FFA trying to get their dirty fingers on the people of FNSW coffers...

FOOTBALL Federation Australia says the A-League will not be affected and that it is business as usual despite revelations it recorded a loss of $5.8 million for the 2009-2010 financial year.
Documents seen by The Australian show that even allowing for the $12 million windfall from the Socceroos' involvement in the World Cup finals in South Africa in June, FFA had a turnaround of $9.2m after it had posted a profit of $3.4m for 2008-09.

It continues what has been a tough 12 months for FFA, which was devastated by failing with its 2022 World Cup hosting bid, has endured problems with the A-League and saw the Socceroos lose the final of the Asian Cup.

This comes on top of questions being raised about the $45.6m FFA received from the federal government to run the World Cup bidding process, with allegations that more than $11m in government money spent on the bid remains unaccounted for.

It has also been revealed that the peak body is providing a cash injection of just under $1m to runaway competition leader Brisbane Roar.

It is understood that, despite its huge success, the Roar could lose as much as $2.5m this season. The club's owner, the Coffee Club, is looking for new investors to help ease the financial burden.

FFA was also forced to run Adelaide United (a full year) and North Queensland Fury (three months) at a cost of about $2m during the last financial year, while retaining a 7.23 per cent share in the Central Coast Mariners, worth $500,000.

Adelaide has since been sold to a South Australian consortium while the future of Fury beyond this season remains in doubt.

All in all, the financial report reveals FFA collected $97m (excluding $20.4m for the World Cup bid) in revenue for 2009-2010, helped by the $12.2m from the 2010 World Cup participation, $21m from broadcasting rights and $27m in sponsorship. This is up $9.2m on the previous year's revenue figures.

The 23-man Socceroos World Cup squad was paid $4.6m for qualifying and playing in the World Cup finals, a gross fee of $200,000 for each player.

An FFA spokesman preferred to put a positive spin on the financial report, pointing out that the peak body had an operating surplus of $1.2m in 2009-10 "which is the relevant comparison with the previous year surplus of $3.4m".

"In addition, we provided special support to A-League clubs of $7m - this was funded out of existing cash reserves, not borrowing, hence the deficit for the year was $5.8m," the spokesman said.

He said FFA was "forecasting an operating surplus for this financial year - even after allowing for special support of clubs. The improvement from the operating loss in 2007 of $10.9m reflects the improvement in FFA's revenues under (chief executive) Ben Buckley since this period."

The spokesman confirmed FFA received "a range of government funding in 2009-10 and will again do so in 2010-2011".

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/a-league-clubs-drain-football-federation-australia-operating-profit/story-fn63e0vj-1225999793062?from=public_rss

Edited by Aussiesrus: 4/2/2011 10:27:05 AM

Mini, check your Inbox/PM.

BuT SydnEY fC REPREZENT d whole ct against u wogs, LOL, stupid priock ur time waz up with the SA move on.

i wouldnt hold your breathe.

They won't because it doesn't suit their agenda :-"