in my view the FFA cup is a farce, its a way of admitting that the traditional clubs arent strong enough to box punch for punch pound for pound, while getting HAL teams to leech off the crowds and publicity that these games would cause, its not about bridging the gap, its not about being inclusive, to me its just an attempt to legitimise the HAL and its failed franchises.

most people say the NSWPL and other ex-NSL clubs are running out of time and that all the HAL teams need is time, im determined to make sure its the other way around. one day at a time..

Edited by anothermp: 13/1/2011 09:01:36 PM

The FFA Cup is definately the key.

I also understand your views about the HAL, and the connection to it from some corners. I commend you though for having an open mind about it and atleast going to some matches in the past, which is more than others have done.

Unfortunately, the way the game is, fragmented in so many segments, it is impossible to please everyone, so it will definately take time to get things right, although the outcome will still be a compromise in many ways.

Perth and Newcastle would be the exception ;)

Realistically the HAL is here to stay, once everyone can accept that, then we should all move along to better the game in this country, including NSWPL clubs all the way down to grassroots levels...

I dont like the HAL, i dont support it, for many reasons but i accept it...You have noob supporters from both sides, HAL and EX-NSL, when they start knocking my club, about its history, irrelavent to this game etc, then of coarse yer ill bite, who wouldnt when they dont have a clue...Yes there are alot of Sydney Olympic supporters on this forum, but we all know they are nothing but a NSWPL team just like United, so i dont know why half of you bother arguing its pointless.

I long for the day this FFA cup gets introduced, in my opinion it will bring great rivalries, nothing better then a fairtale cup run...& im sure it would make alot of the state league supporters feel more welcome supporting the game, seeing they were left in the cold for so long...

#-o

Well said mate =d> Not all the HAL clubs dropped out of the sky though ;)

really works both ways, yes you have to feel comfortable, but also you have to have love for a club, an attachment, and thats something i will not get supporting any HAL team, i cant support a team that just got plucked from fine air, so both sides HAL and Ex NSL supporters should really understand each other. I went to a few HAL matches and felt out of place, there will always be a gap between supporters in this country, the key is to close that gap, and if that means introduced an FFA cup then so be it...

As per the SMH article of the report by MC.



But it does not go into detail about who did fund it, it appears forrest wanted it to use as ammo against those that started the internal review, may actually backfire on him now.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/football/college-st-set-to-swoop-on-beleaguered-fnsw-20101216-18zl4.html

request #2

Perception is key, and like it or not, people must feel comfortable to get involved. Carrying Greek or Croatian flags into games, with chants in different languages, how is that making people connect? I can see your point, but the reality is very different in peoples minds, as it became a game of politics and one with so many ethnic fracture points, it was not a comfortable, or even a good foundation, base to build on.

Lowy had to save the game when he came in, as the game was broke, had no corporate support and was on the brink of falling off the cliff. Do you really think all that was done was easy? Sometimes hard decisions are made to get things back on tracck, and as the brands of Soccer Australia and the NSL had become poison, drastic action was needed.

Not everyone was going to agree with the outcomes though, which is always the case, but things are stronger today than they were a decade ago. Anyone that says otherwise is so short sighted, or ignorant to the realities that existed. Its not perfect, and hjas room for improvement, but its better than many alternatives.

people stayed away in the past because they feared people that could only speak broken english, that these people would stab them during half time and take their spare cash.. seriously all these people needed to do was get beyond the prejudices for the people that created and nurtured our game to be embraced by it and them; many times i saw asians arabs and aussies at SOFC marconi games and so on because they actually went to a game and saw for themselves that the prejudices were false. they ENJOYED the football, they ENJOYED the cultural melting pot, they ENJOYED cevapi with ahhnion farken, they join in and everybody integrates, thats how its supposed to work


people are connected now? like the 4000 at fury games? like the 6000 at sydney fc games? like the 1500 at gold coast games? this is proof that everyone was open to the idea of a new beginning, we gave it a chance we gave it six seasons and it denies our football identity and history and hasnt made a profit either. you guys were all keen to sell all our souls to make a few dollars 'for the good of the game' but you havent done that either, sydney fc to lose 12mil in two years alone!! next step for you guys is to hostile takeover the states and overcharge kids to play that is disgusting


as for the power vacuum.. good point i guess. there isnt really another person right now that the football loyalists can say 'we can kick out Lowy today and X will be in tomorrow doing a better job'. That being said, who has manufactured this environment? Lowy. why? so he can hold on for as long as possible.

better position today than before? we have lost our soul. we've been bled dry.

Wow... Damn, you make some very twisted arguments. It never ceases to amaze the level of ignorance you have.

First of all, 'newdawners' struggled to find a connection to the game in the past, so stayed away, even if they were interested. How is that a bad thing that they are norw connected to our game? Only if the eyes of those who wanted to keep the game small and marginalised would that thought process ever come to anyones mind.

I, like many that follow the HAL, have been involved in the game for many years, through mostly the bad times unfortunately, and finally the game gains some traction and all we see is those trying to bring it down. I really do not see what good getting rid of Lowy would do, as it will not help the game, it will only see us slide into the abyss again. Oh yes, wait a minute, there will suddenly be a power vacuum, and a time machine will appear and things will return to the 1990's again. How great :)

Even today, with the HAL in the position it is now, we are in a far stronger position than a decade ago, when there were a few richer clubs, many poor ones and a broke national body. What good does that do? Absolutely nothing.

no, but many peoples' football xenophobia pre-2005 was replaced by their franchise eliteism once Supreme Hero and Leader Lowy took over

consistent with unionisation levels all you newdawners are scabs

That's right because none of us were around pre 2006, I keep forgoting that I appeared on this world aged 28, married and with a 2 year old son.

This is a ver important point in which 90% of this forum fails to understand.

No one on this forum was at the event, there was 10,000 + people there and Sydney Olympic stall had all of them come over and give there support, they had record numbers register for the under 16's passes and sold merchandise.

These 10,000 people have been frozen out today.

People on here need to understand that the a-league does not have a fan base apart from the bandwagon affect victory has created for themselves and good luck to them for that. CCM has managed to create a community spirit and good luck to them, hopefully Newcastle can replicate that to.

But clubs with massive followings like Olympic being tossed out to dry is wrong and until the FFA changes themselves or that fact Australian football will continue to suffer and have a strong number of supporters screaming for its failure.

You do understand that Australian Football is for the discussion of the HAL, NYL, WL, Socceroos, Matildas etc? Along with Australian players overseas? The Grassroots section is for the discussion of all football below that level? You also understand that the requests would not have been for them to limit themselves to the Grassroots section but to post their threads pertaining to grassroots football in the correct section of the site in order to keep it ordered?

Unending belligerence is not a good way to get your points across, try entering into dialogue - you will be amazed at how better received it is.

Full report is at

http://www.olympicultras.proboards.com/index.cgi

Ron Heoning Mayor of Botany is head of the reports check it out at the above address

You joffa and a few others told my mates to get out of the Australian football thread so get out of here fair is fair you misguided man

Could you please table whom commissioned and funded the report into FNSW and also a link to the source?

Its their job though, so they can do what they like, in the interests of the site they look after. Whinging about it will not get you far. Its your choice to stay or go afterall.

yeah and they also wield the banhammer lol, or close the thread when it suits certain parties best

Its the mods job, so if he/she is not happy with the outcome, they can leave on their own accord.

Your opinion, and thats fair enough.

Racism is also in the eye of the beholder, with many holes in that argument you made too. Its a very big accusation to make there, especially given the comments about Israeli links to a club, which a few continue to flaunt as evidence of some agenda.

how is she meant to trust your judgment? can you blame her?

lol 'you and a few others' as though its Paoktzi and his army of multis. yeah okay.

we have been made the pariah fans of our beautiful sport, we have been ridiculed and disposed of by a racist national body which came to power with the intention of doing exactly that

i am getting more and more bitter by the day reading to this innocent clause rubbish. Im going to build a better future for OUR game because the yesterday OUR football ascendants made was not organised enough and the today YOUR administrators have made is not football enough or honest enough

soon the iconoclastic period of Australian football history will end and the Lowyclastic period will begin, out with the hammers and chisels erase every trace every stain of his ravenous regime from our proud history

for football

What about you don't be telling people to get out of the Grass Roots section, I believe we've had this discussion once already, do you really want to have it again?


If you have a concern about someone attacking you let me know and I or one of the mods will have a look at the post for you.

Do you understand?

You post so much BS, its time people did stand up and stop you on your crusade to discredit anything that has to do with the FFA, or anything that is not blue and white. You make statements that deliberately provoke others, then turn around and claim others started it. Grow up.

I give credit to Sydney Olympic for the inititives they do, which is great to see, but I will not hear of the countless BS that you and a few others use to try and derail others as they make opinions, or have inititives that have equal or greater value.

Good for your club, but dont expect people to get excited if people like you are going to go around ruining, or devaluing, others.


Edited by Heart_fan: 11/1/2011 10:25:56 PM

get out of this section dont provoke and well be fine, and by the way its good you acknowledged the thread no you came in here attacking didnt u

Damn this guy/girl/it needs to be banned. You love to take on battles with people, calling them names, then making rediculous statements to try and discredit their opinions, POV or their contributions to this site.

Its beyond a joke the amount of comments you make, which have no other reason but to provoke or spin things your own way, by any means, where truth often becomes the victim.

No one here has a blind love for the FFA, but we have a balanced view of the game, unclouded by blue and white. The game is bigger than Olympic or South Melbourne, which is something you fail to grasp.



Edited by Heart_fan: 11/1/2011 10:13:33 PM

if u knew anything about football instead of pasting every article on the globe and stopped with ur blind love for the ffa then u would understand but you dont know who is who and so on ur not a football person

Well then maybe you should stop making them.