I'm going to have a random rant about the Club Championship being used to determine who gets relegated by FNSW.

I was under the allusion that when Han Berger released the Football Development plan a few years ago, that the emphasis on youth football was going to move from being 'results' orientated to 'development' orientated.

Realistically, any of Bankstown, South Coast, Parramatta, Rockdale or APIA could finish on the bottom this season. With only 6 weeks left to go in the season, all these clubs will now be placing immense pressure on their youth teams to start "grinding out" results. The emphasis has shifted back from developing youth, to getting results to ensure the club isn't relegated.

Isn't the point of youth football meant to be to develop potential players for the first team with a medium to long term view? Why do we have this win at all costs mentality jeoprodising the development of our youth players?

Frankly it is not a fair system. FNSW is not towing the line of the new FFA mandate. No other league in the world operates this ridiculous system.

settle down tiger.......

the club championship points are only calculated on first grade, U20's and U18's....the youth teams aren't included......


2011 Club Championship
Premier League club championship was initiated in a report from the Football NSW High Performance Unit which was subsequently supported by the Premier League Standing Committee. As a consequence the following weighted points system shall apply.


WEIGHTING: Total aggregate
1st Grade: 5 points
Grade 20: 2 points
Grade 18: 1 point
Grades 13-14-15-16 0 points

source FNSW

Edited by batfink: 6/7/2011 04:38:54 PM

lol

lol thought youd like that....lol....

\:d/ \:d/

no games this weekend......

but at least the waratah cup game is on......

Edited by batfink: 6/7/2011 04:44:37 PM

So who will it be next week last in the club championship lol


Parramatta

Rockdale

Bankstown

South Coast


Maybe all four to be last with 1game togo would be nice

Something Olympic doesnt need to worry

Batnick your so easy to shit stir its not funny

I love to play with people heads and its fun to do

I STAND WITH MY COMMENTS MELITA ROCKDALE BANKSTOWN ARE SHITTY SMALL CLUBS WITH NO FUTURE

Looks like the berries are coming up next week

Preston Lions last in division 1funny shit there

there's no problem until you get personal bud...and start making comments about me family.....

I am fully aware of how the system operates, the issue I have is with the system itself. Under 18's and Under 20's are 'youth teams'. The role of any youth team is to develop future players for the club. The methodology of such development is entirely up to the discretion and financial capacity of each club. For instace, some clubs appoint a director of football to instruct all youth team coaches to develop their players with a certain medium-long term philosophy in mind, others just look for players that will finish as high up on the ladder as possible with no development in mind.

The Club Championship is rewarding those latter clubs. Now all kinds of 'development' instruction, which is the directive from above from FFA technical director Han Berger, will be thrown out the window as these young kids now have to get a result at all costs.

That is what I have an issue with.

fair enough, but dont you think at age 18 they are man enough to step up to the plate..??? and should they not already be of sufficient quality to be able to perform.....

developement of players really needs to be done prior to 18, i agree we need to continue to develope but there has to be a balance....

Youth players are going to be developed when the best players are picked on merits and not the ones that can afford to pay the fees in order to prompt the club finances, $2000-$3500 per season for 13-18yo and $700-1000 for 20yo, how many good kids give up or are lost to other codes because they can not afford to pay the fees?

How many times have I heard about the kids that pay more than just the fees to play in the premier league?

FNSW have other programs where kids do not even compete on week to week bases only train and guess what it is not for free.

I believe best way to develop players is to include U13 up to first grade in Club Championship point system and have relegation system where last team actually gets relegated.

Increase Premier League team numbers and include other regions in the comp.

We have State Titles this week, so what happens to other kids outside Sydney W/Gong area that are really good, unless they are prepared to travel like that Victorian kid 1600km a week, nothing!
We have lots of good players but only a few make it.

wow are fee's that high??? we have been in the NSWPL system for years now, but we dont pay any fee's, , paid first year in but not since then and the first year was $500........

shitty small clubs with no future?

im sorry, your olympic stand head and shoulders above us all. what with their massive crowds in the tousands, their own ground, their own club, solid financial position..............yes, theyre on another level.

berries coming up next week are they? thats quick.

but keep it coming, im glad mum let you back on the computer. its good for your development.

first of all, the vast majority of PL clubs this year are still charging somewhere in between $1700-$2200. not aware of any club that charges over $2500 so not sure where the figures are coming from.

there was a gentlemans agreement this season that under 20's would be paying $900 i think it was. obviously if those kids go up to first grade they get match payments.

i think sutho's youth rates are lower as theyre subsidised by the assoc.

whilst i dont agree with the fees, unless FNSW steps up to the plate to assist, theyre necessary to cover costs.

and if a kid is good enough to play youth, theres no chance we will lose him from the game due to the fees. the parents find a way to cough up the cash and are willing to do so because their kid is playing at the elite level.

my issue is not there. the real issue is at park level. most clubs charge their kids rego anywhere between $100-$300 on average. part of that is due to assoc fees, insurance, etc. THIS IS WHERE WE WILL LOSE KIDS because rival codes such as the AFL are begging kids to play by not charging rego fees. this is where the administrators need to focus their attention. if a kid is only 50-50 about playing football, and is told it will cost you $200, he might consider going down the road to the brash AFL crew who will cover his costs!


another point, i dont agree with club championship being based on all grades. you might end up with small clubs with limited finances who are consistent across junior grades being promoted. how is that good for the game when at he pointy end of things, that is, the Premier League, you have clubs who cant pay their players? Macarthur, Penrith etc.

Football is a poor man sport! HaHaHaHa

So we all have to agree that everything points out to money and FNSW fees, so in the process we loose kids because of it.

As far as parents always finding money for good kids, well I have seen some kids in the district that are good enough for Prem- League and spoke with the father who has more than one boy and a girl who is also playing so who is going to miss out ?

Lucky they are still playing district football, considering coaching is not the best at this level will they be playing at the age of 18?

Football is the most participated girls and boys sport in this country at the youth level and than massive drop out at later teens, this was the case for years, now we have massive threat with two AFL teams in Sydney, code that does not charge much its players due to TV deals, NRL feels threatened so they are going to invest in their programs, our fees are massive park football up to $600.00 and yes some Premier Clubs do charge up to $3500.00.

We do produce great players read the article from FNSW about the camp for U19 with Alex Tobin all Sydney boys from Premier League Clubs, in whole honesty where would this boys be if they did not pay their Club fees, Coerver fees, Westfield School fees, extra coaching fees, going overseas trailing expenses…. Get the idea they have one thing in common FEES!

How many do we loose that can not afford THE FEES?

well we have been in premier league for 5 years paid fee's once....so obviously some clubs and players are treated differently....

what's hapening with APIA ?they've added Adam D’Apuzzo to a group already with important and experienced names like Rizzo ,Parisi ,Younis or Chris James but they keep losing .4 in a row now ! surely something is not working there

Postponed Manly Utd v Sydney Utd tie to be played Wednesday 27th July

looks like tony raciti's rev ups arent working! anyway, wont say anything more because theres plenty of quality on paper, and were playing them tomorrow. im hoping we get a result.

is that a catch up match????? thought there were no matches this weekend???

Rockdale 3-0 APIA

Updates from Around the grounds:

Full time

Rockdale 3
APIA 0

naidovski 3', spitz 43', tirovski 87'

Goalscorers for rocksdale.

A{IA getting dangerously close to the relegation places now that they don't have a game in hand anymore.

Big turnout for the game not more than 80 people there funny

Apia where terrible

Under 15 park team could of defeated them

Rockdale completely dominated in the first half
The second half became boring to watch the more
the second half went on the more Rockdale where happy
to defend there lead 2 nil and only scored the 3rd in the last five minutes

Raciti is not a coach
He might of done wonders last years with 12 games underfeated
but Apia to me looked at the beggining of the year looked like a semi
final team on todays display the looked un interested

Parisi Younis Rizzo James Bynes Da appuzzi lots of experience there

Raciti spend some money on a coach sack your self buddy as Apia
where terrible

Pity Rockdale stopped playing in 2nd half as any other team
would of scored half a dozen goals today


Funny at the big crowd at Lambert Park lol

Edited by macedoniaisgreek: 10/7/2011 04:01:45 AM

How close are Apia to relegation?

Updated club championship. Bottom club is eligible for relegation. Also, a win in first grade is worth 15 points in the club championship so that gap is nothing really.

MODERATOR KICK OUT THIS CONFUSED BOX ............. OR CONFUSED SPEAKING BULGARIAN

MODERATOR KICK OUT THIS CONFUSED BOX ............. OR CONFUSED SPEAKING BULGARIAN

Im speaking English champion. Maybe given your limited intellect that's beyond comprehension. Anyway, I suppose when you're 13 (or as might be the case much older with a similar level of intelligence), you feel good coming onto football forums and hijacking meaningful threads with your idiotic ramblings and insults towards others. I can't say i've done it myself, but if it makes you feel good about yourself, you go for it champ, youre something special. It's something hey to come on here with simplistic political ramblings and harsh words. Where would we be without keyboard warriors such as yourself hey?

Anyway, enjoy your next Olympic game as you mingle with the thousands of general supporters and hundreds of fellow Ultras. Hopefully you're allowed to go to the game to get you away from the computer and all of these nasty football fans who couldnt care less for what you have to say.

for the football fans out there, does anyone know when the remaining washed out fixtures are being played?