This obsession has remained despite seeing first hand several KNVB qualified coaches being exposed badly here in Australia. Whether it be Verbeek, Versleijen, Van Schip or now Coolen, it hardly matters, all have the requisite fashionable paperwork yet all have managed to display staggering inadequacies.

i'm sure we could go back and forth for years......:d

but i'm sure there are and have been thousands of talented footballers who over the years have put the form on the pitch at PL level and have gone no further.....

i think it's more to do with the politics and the selectors,and parent sponsoring/paying clubs to get their kids selected, i have experienced this first hand on several occassions.

we have been through the NSWPL system for 10 years or more and watched players who are so called elite footballers from age 15 through to 20, who have gone to westfields, or been in the state team or who have been at the NSWIS and have done nothing and gone nowhere, loads of these players don't even play anymore, just tells me the system or the administrators in the system are getting it wrong, so many times you see a player who can make a ball disappear up his own arse, who cant or wont play for the 90 minutes,is injury prone,has an attitude or is awefully inconsistent continue to be selected for state and rep duties........while the technically suitable,professional quite natured kid is overlooked......the noisiect wheel get the most oil.......

I'm fed up with saying it but I've had about 12 years coaching experience.

I've coached primary schools teams in about 5 successive seasons in the Eastern Region competition.

I've coached a youth team in Kuwait in an interschool competition with French, South African and English coaches.

I've managed an adult women's seven a side team which won a city title. One of the teams they defeated was the state's second or third ranked women's state league team. Ironically, I used that W league coach as an adviser at the time. His tactics for that particular game helped the team with the title.

I watched and took notes on every training session that W league coach when he coached a relative in an under 16 academy team.

I watched and took notes on every state session when a relative was in the state under 17 team with a different coach, now a split state league women;s coach and former regional NSW TD.

I've taken female under 15 and under 17 players with specific deception skills working with the three state coaches at the end of the season.

I coached a girls rep team to win the state under 12 championship. They played about 10 competitive championship games and about 9 practice games. This was against some state FFA staff coaches, with that 25-30 years experience that Judy considers integral to sound coaching practice.

That W League coach, scouted players from the rep title winning team team I coached for the state team, then the NTC. Two have made Australian teams since - one in futsal and one in outdoor.

I've taken sessions with a split state league reserve female team.

We've taken FFE to a variety of clubs, regional associations for TDs and coaches to evaluate. When we did it at the beginning of the season, I realised the girls I coached, were as good if not better technically than some of the boys rep teams I did demonstration sessions with for regional junior association TDs.

Arnold is KNVB trained and has had unmitigated success, value adding to a team in the HAL.

Arnold was also "KNVB trained" when he was an unmitigated flop at Northern Spirit. Perhaps he matured as a coach whilst working under Frank Farina.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I've bolded an underlined your practical coaching experience (for future reference).

Oustide of school sockah you've held the clipboard for one only (shortened) season in something that mildly resembles competitive football. One 10 game season.

And you wonder why people maybe inclined to take the piss.






Edited by judy free: 6/12/2011 09:36:34 AM

Thanks for clearing that up.

I've bolded an underlined your practical coaching experience (for future reference).

Oustide of school sockah you've held the clipboard for one only (shortened) season in something that mildly resembles competitive football. One 10 game season.

And you wonder why people maybe inclined to take the piss.

Some seasons have involved more coaching hours than others.

We've been over this ground innumerable times over many years.](*,)

Oustide of school sockah you've held the clipboard for one only (shortened) season in something that mildly resembles competitive football. One 10 game season.

You are obsessed, your behaviour has many symptoms of aspergers, with some elements of autism spectrum. Most posters on 442 can't believe you joined the forum posing as a grandmother.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Aspergers syndrome is actually part of the autism spectrum and regarded as high functioning autism. To be honest, you fit the stereotype yourself.

And please, the silly faces below are the toys of a child. By gees, mate, you really need to grow up.

Total fabrication on your part.:^o

The rep season was a 19 game season.

I coached a girls rep team to win the state under 12 championship. They played about 10 competitive championship games and about 9 practice games

Aspergers syndrome is actually part of the autism spectrum and regarded as high functioning autism. To be honest, you fit the stereotype yourself.

Do you ever start any threads on any positive topics, or find any humour or positivity in any other posts on 442? If you have posted them I've never seen any. All your posts appear to be decidedly reactive, like Judy's.

Skeptic, you have an incredibly contrary nature, with an apt 442 pseudonym.

Is that so?

But you previously said...



By your own admission, 10 competitive games is your sum total as a football coach. Yep, that's some real meaty experience you got there, decentric.

Nevertheless, Verbeek has Australia's best win/loss record over a sustained period. He also had no games against easy Oceania opposition either in that record.

Holger would love to equal his imposing record in qualifying as the top Asian team in WC qualifiers, and beating an excellent team like Serbia at the WC.

Arnold is KNVB trained and has had unmitigated success, value adding to a team in the HAL.

Versleijen's teams came about 18th and 19th in the world. If teams at this age perform to a similar level, in Holland, they consider underage teams are about development. Senior level is how success is measured. (Berger's words).

Underage cups aren't an indicator of most national teams success, according to Berger, although Brazil and Argentina usually do well.

Who else has had an opportunity, with a squad full of proven Euro performers, to match this supposed great record via Asian qualification?

In terms of technique and tactical knowledge, Dutch coaches are good. In terms of player management, they are the same as any other nationality.

In any case we all know the dire football he regularly dished up and the reasons for our qualification, suffice to say it wasn't down to the old Pimster. We qualified despite him, not because of him.

Sweeping generalisation. Nationality has nothing to do with it, it's all about quality.

No doubt there are good Dutch coaches and shit ones. The real issue is which type do you think generally end up working in Australia?

Nationality has nothing to do with it, it's all about quality.

No sweeping generalisation.

I've done coaching courses.....

Do you ever start any threads on any positive topics, or find any humour or positivity in any other posts on 442? If you have posted them I've never seen any. All your posts appear to be decidedly reactive, like Judy's.

Skeptic, you have an incredibly contrary nature, with an apt 442 pseudonym.

So we can get back on topic now?

Edited by Aussiesrus: 7/12/2011 09:52:23 PM

So we can get back on topic now?

Edited by Aussiesrus: 7/12/2011 09:52:23 PM

It is common in Australia that many fans don't rate Asian players and teams very highly. There is an expectation we should win every game against Asian opposition.

Yet our top and coming CB, Matt Spiranovic is deemed surplus to requirements at his J League club, who were nearly relegated.

We need more tours/exchanges for coaches/players to see what occurs in Japan.

It wouldn't hurt to visit Korea too.

It is common in Australia that many fans don't rate Asian players and teams very highly. There is an expectation we should win every game against Asian opposition.

Yet our top and coming CB, Matt Spiranovic is deemed surplus to requirements at his J League club, who were nearly relegated.

We need more tours/exchanges for coaches/players to see what occurs in Japan.

It wouldn't hurt to visit Korea too.