Why the fuck would I wanna defend FNSW, you idiot. :lol:

It's now a new dawn FFA run enterprise i.e. exactly what the clueless wanted.

Leave Judy alone.. his extensive contacts list on his mobile has been offering him BIG TIME positions, but unfortunately Judy has been a bit busy trolling FFT to take up the multiple offers ... just ask him, he'll tell you

For FFA to licence academies would require academies to use the FFA's training methods. This will totally undermine the freedom of systems that work differently and are successful by way of different training practices used. Different kids respond to different methods of teaching. Good coaches and teachers know this. What works for some may not work for others.

The FFA can see that parents are quite happy to fork out on acadamies by licensing them as offical FFA approved it generates cash for FFA , reaches out beyond its exisiting structure.Yes they would use national curriculum.
The alternative unlicensed can continue as now and let the parents decide who to back.

Judy free = joke of the year

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/football/welcome-to-the-1200-soccer-season-20111022-1mdky.html

You still defending NSWPL or NSW football?

Edited by krones3: 31/12/2011 06:18:48 PM

Play the ball, play the man but don't sit here and mark space an hour after the full-time whistle.

they do but a player must look after his own career.

Quick, some one better advise Alistair Edwards. :lol:

You mean the team that got smacked 5 zip in a cofc semi? :lol:

The diff between park footy and PYL can be measured in light years......find another target for your rampant bullshit. Maybe give Jimmy Patruzzi a call?:lol:



Oh dear.

A player who's primary source of income is derived from full time football.

ASA pro's? Big fat fucking zero. Impressive.

Happy New Year and thanks for the larfs during '11.



Edited by judy free: 31/12/2011 02:47:52 PM

For FFA to licence academies would require academies to use the FFA's training methods. This will totally undermine the freedom of systems that work differently and are successful by way of different training practices used. Different kids respond to different methods of teaching. Good coaches and teachers know this. What works for some may not work for others.

Telling some football kids eating a brussel sprout is full of iron and good for them some will eat it, others won't. Tell football kids Lionel Messi and Ronaldo have them for lunch they will all eat bucketload of them.

This is why freedom of some quality academies being brought under FFA's coaching methods will seriously undermine the success players of the academies currently enjoy.

We should never put limits on what kids can achieve by restricting them to limited learning methods.

You have to remember we have many different cultures of varying styles and techniques. To tell them they all must pass the dutch method or fail off is limiting and unproductive.

Edited by Aussiesrus: 31/12/2011 01:21:58 PM

The last 2 Australian national coaches won't pick players unless they are based overseas and playing professional football....So FFA is saying one thing but being hypocritical in a practical sense.

Sorry Judy Free but you are seriously out of touch with current situations. Too much fishing lately? I can respect that ;)

You haven't been to NSWPL open trials lately or for quite some time it appears. I've attended open trials for a number of NSWPL and NSWSL sides for 2 years now for U18 and U/20 and it is common to get between 50-100 players trial for U/20's.

And yeah park football to reps alright. Basha's U/15 Div 1 granville park footy side of last year boasts 15 of 16 now playing NSWPL, NSWSL and Div 1 state league. 6 of which are have made the jump directly to NSWPYL for 2012. These were the same lads that were not picked by rep sides last season and Basha formed a div 1 side local park footy and use to go kick NSWPL and NSWSL arses mid season.

So indeed the training made a big difference.

Perhaps your not skilled or know of coaches skilled enough that can turn park footy players into NSWPL or NSWSL players but thats where ASA can and does by using talented coaches who can get the best out of players...Not every kid has the potential to do this but when you give all levels the same high level coaching pretty soon you start to see who can and who won't make the grade. And sometimes it just takes some kids longer than others.

As for the list of pro players...Define Pro for me...Does EPL count? Does A-League count? Does S-League count? Does NSWPL paid player count? Also overseas academies do pay their students, does that count?

Mate you need lift your head out of the fishing boat and catch up with current happenings. A lot has and is changing. Your prawns are getting a bit old and on the nose #-o

Edited by Aussiesrus: 31/12/2011 12:49:10 PM

and that is at the heart of the problem, hence all the academies etc.
FFA probably see licensing academies as cash cows

There may be problems in smaller states, but NSW being bigger, problems can be magnified.

The EPL signings by ASA is a very solid point you make, Aussiesrus.

It would be interesting to find out the attitude of FFA officialdom about ASA and other academies securing overseas contracts for players in the most elite competitions? Usually any success outside FFA system is denigrated by FFA, when it should be celebrated.

Gareth Edds has recently set up a soccer school. I'm sure players attending will gain success training with him, if he has a decent manner with kids and has and has an understanding of coaching methodology and practice. I think he has a FFA B Licence. If he hasn't, working with someone with experience in teaching practice could still be a potent partnership.

The player manager/scout I've recently formed an association with, says that FFA look unfavourably on players moving overseas.
I can see FFA's point. However, there are limited opportunities for players in this country. All sorts of issues arise with players signing for A League clubs and contracts falling through.

The aim of all coaching should be to assist players to reach their potential, whatever it may be, and for them to enjoy the game.

](*,)

This topic has thrown up a lot of interesting discussion from a number of 442 members, including you. You and I converge in thought on occasions, the same as you and Aussiesrus, Krones, Batfink etc, and other 442 members.

Why would a senior citizen such as yourself waste time on infantile and immature personal attacks?

For someone who spends so much time denigrating 442 members, you sure spend a lot of time on this forum. It indicates a lack of football interaction/discussion, and possibly social interaction, elsewhere.

FWIW your knowledge of football in NSW is interesting. Also, the fact you have been around the football scene for a long time provides interesting perspectives. It provides counterpoints in discussion. Just eliminate playing the man and everybody will get on well. If you see an opinion, by all means disagree with it, but question the idea not the person.

Nobody else really visits this forum, and Performance in particular, to engage in immature verbal altercation. Football is the topic we share a passion for.

Paul Lontons favorite word for some 8year old players.
:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

I believe the only thing you are tiring of is being constantly exposed as a dead set numpty.

Name dropping and knowledge by apparent association has it's limits.

Happy New Year.

Edited by judy free: 31/12/2011 09:13:58 AM

Decentric and the like might buy this bullshit, but those who know and understand the details won't.

They didn't suddenly get better, Aussie. More the case that there were more opportunities due to less competition at selection trials.

At U11s and U12s rep trials you'll get 100+ walk ups. At U15's you might struggle to get 30. At the lower tier (3rd tier) you'll be lucky to scrape up enough players for a team.

From park football to rep? Gimme a break. Same players, same skillset, same limited abilities, but less competition for a spot on a roster.

But it does tend to create an environment for silly parents who think their kid has been accepted into elite company.

whats wrong with fast, as Lineker often says not having pace is no longer an option as the speed of the pro game has changed.

Selectors here are just lazy and have 'what makes my job easier' attitude , so in effect they select they same old players. I used to find it funny that parents would jump up and down at u12 when their child wasnt put forward for state trials but the closed shop starts then. With the SAP starting at u9 i fear the closed shop is even younger now. [/quote]


The fastest kid i ever saw selected has the lowest skills i have ever seen.
I was told the state coaches thought his selection was someone taking the piss.

Edited by krones3: 31/12/2011 08:23:04 AM

This thread Is underpinned by one common theme.

That is, fanatical parents who are incapable of accepting that their sockah playing son or daughter missed selection. Blame the system? It's always been the excuse of choice.

Seriously, what's tthe fucking point?:lol:

Five or ten years down the track and you'll be looking back on all this wasted energy, as your kid is kicking about in district all age, or have turned their back on the sport. It's always been the fanatics, who's kids were somewhat short on genuine talent, who regularly made the most noise. Like sands through the hour glass.

Oh and Aussie, I've known many many kids over the years who've picked up a spot on a UK club youth roster. Hardly a decent barometer for measuring and blaming the local system. Not surprisingly none of them made the progression to pro football.

Now, as you keep refering to ASA, I need to ask you again; which grads of the Basher sockah school are now playing full time pro football?

[quote=krones3 Fast,tall & strong dictate selection until 15+[/quote]

whats wrong with fast, as Lineker often says not having pace is no longer an option as the speed of the pro game has changed.

Selectors here are just lazy and have 'what makes my job easier' attitude , so in effect they select they same old players. I used to find it funny that parents would jump up and down at u12 when their child wasnt put forward for state trials but the closed shop starts then. With the SAP starting at u9 i fear the closed shop is even younger now.

IME
Fast,tall & strong dictate selection until 15+

[quote=Decentric South and Central American teams averaged 1.75m in height, yet they performed well.

quote]

this topic was discussed elsewhere on the interweb , i suggest that you check the average height of south americans and also the avergage for euro/aus , guess what the south americans are smaller and therefore you would expect the players to be smaller, likewise euro/aus height is talller and so the players are taller.


relative age effect is another fallacy. The England FA believe thus fallacy until it was found at the world cup the players were even spread amongst all months of the year.
It may effect scouting for 5/6 years old that i will admit

well said=d>

Also a comp for fat sponsors talentless kids and mates who run the system...Elite my arse...Half should be playing division 2 park football....

So why hasn't the FFA system of identification picked him or the other lad now at Stoke City for a nsw rep side or national rep side before they got snapped up by EPL sides? Doesn't this tell you something is rotten with the current system here in Australia?

You would have to have the IQ of a potato to think nothing is wrong...

Ah well Manchester City Academy will just have to do then for this lad and the other lad will just have to be satisfied at Stoke City Academy in the English Premier League.

In the meantime 2 more of the 6 players have been asked to return to Leeds and Blackpool next season for further evaluation and another lad is still with the Man city shadow squad since the end of last year and doesn't look to be coming back to Australia anytime soon..

3 more ASA lads are off to Asia in January 2012 for S-League trials.

Anyway if you want to keep up to date with these lads you can read about them as news comes to hand at the link below.

ASA's hot new website.

http://www.australasiansocceracademy.com.au/

Edited by Aussiesrus: 31/12/2011 05:27:37 AM

What about the young guy who has been told for years he isn't good enough for NSWPL but has just been signed to the Stoke City academy U17/U18? This type of thing just typifies the rubbish our so called elite system is full of...Everyone who has had anything to do with football for the last 30 years knows this...Only a dickhead thinks otherwise and that's why this country doesn't get 100% behind the sport.

Why is our NSWPL system which underpins A-League flawed to the point that a NSWSL player gets signed to an EPL club academy but cannot get a gig here in a NSWPL side?

The answer is because our NSWPL and NSWSL system of clubs has serious flaws, politics and limitations that doesn't allow them to either recognise or select enough talented players. Are the coaches crap and blind at selection time? Are the coaches politically handtied? Are the clubs finacially hand tied? come selection time.. Probably all 3 and more. This all equates to serious issues in our system which is crushing the flow of natural talent into our top tier football. Natural talent is being culled for the wrong reasons here because you can change the name of clubs but the culture will remain the same. I cannot comment what it is like in other states but imagine it's not different there either.

Judy Free, Don't tell me what i'm saying is emotive crap. It wasn't that long ago our national team couldn't even sing our countries anthem prior to kick off. Jobs for the boys....and not a lot has changed. Craig Johnston was no idiot. One of this countries most talented players that would not play for his countries senior side because the players that filled the team were rubbish and promoted into the green and gold due to cultural background instead of abilities. No wonder it took 32 years to qualify for a WC and in our countries history we have only qualified 3 times...

You can take average players and give them the highest level coaching we have. You will still end up with highly trained "average" players. BUT!!! if you give talented players high level training you will end up with high level talented players. Get my drift..BIG DIFFERENCE..

Development is used widely to cover up the serious issues that taint the sport here. Ah yeah don't worry what your seeing is complete crap...They have L Plates and will get better!! Bullshit hogwash....Maradona won the U/20 world cup before winning the senior world cup.

Our FFA system is RUBBISH...This is also why top overseas clubs are looking at private academies for talent nowdays because they are sick of looking at rubbish promoted through our so called elite pathways that are tainted and talentless.

Don't get me wrong. There are some very talented players that fully deserve their spots and are the backbones of their teams and clubs success. It's the political and financially selected no talent players that are limiting positions for real talent that pisses me off no end. This is the point of many's frustration with this sport here.

But then again who is gonna tell the 50k per year sponsor that his fat kid has no talent or top players and coaches their kids play more like their mums than their dads...

Not me that's for sure. But I refuse to pay to watch the crap.



Edited by Aussiesrus: 31/12/2011 03:11:47 AM

Quality comment, Judy.
:d

Please keep entering posts of this calibre and brevity.

This is the best post I've seen you enter in five years. It would be wonderful if it was the last.





Edited by Decentric: 31/12/2011 01:20:18 AM

If you had attended an FFA presentation on Under 20 tactics at a World Cup, there was data available listing the average size of a number of national team players at under 20 World Cups. The data can also be extrapolated to seniors.

The average height of European nations was 1.80m, 1.81 m and 1.82m respectively. Australian players were usually amongst the largest units on average for any national team.
In the old era, when you were at your peak as a pre-eminent elite coach of Australian hoofball and fightball, it was a misplaced myth that in requirements for certain positions, players had to be big, brawny and strong in Australia.

South and Central American teams averaged 1.75m in height, yet they performed well.

The data supports Han Berger's proposition that being built like a bovine, bull or buffalo, was good for a career in football in Australia.

Judy, I'm getting tired of these insults and personal attacks that preface or accompany nearly every one of your posts. It seems the lights could soon be going out on your 442 membership in the imminent future. Alas, your membership could be terminated whilst still only a semi- pro.
I agree with one's right to express a different opinion, but play the ball not the man.](*,)



Edited by Decentric: 31/12/2011 01:03:27 AM

I can see the relevance when Berger states that in Holland when they don't win, or perform well in underage world competitions, it barely raises a comment.

The performance of a nation's senior national team is the criterion for evaluating success.

I'm glad that development of players has assumed priority over results in FFA's NC.

The problem is that all these national teams cost money. I don't know how one can economically rationalise the FFE national team underage programmes.

Keep going in your criticisms, Aussiesrus.

I think there are some problems with the Green and Gold Future, such as the aforementioned ones you've elucidated, but there are some excellent edicts in terms of direction too.

Another excellent point.