For FFA to licence academies would require academies to use the FFA's training methods. This will totally undermine the freedom of systems that work differently and are successful by way of different training practices used. Different kids respond to different methods of teaching. Good coaches and teachers know this. What works for some may not work for others.

The FFA can see that parents are quite happy to fork out on acadamies by licensing them as offical FFA approved it generates cash for FFA , reaches out beyond its exisiting structure.Yes they would use national curriculum.
The alternative unlicensed can continue as now and let the parents decide who to back.

Leave Judy alone.. his extensive contacts list on his mobile has been offering him BIG TIME positions, but unfortunately Judy has been a bit busy trolling FFT to take up the multiple offers ... just ask him, he'll tell you

Why the fuck would I wanna defend FNSW, you idiot. :lol:

It's now a new dawn FFA run enterprise i.e. exactly what the clueless wanted.

Geez your one confused clown...Since when do under 15's play in the open mens C of C?

Your talking about his over the hill weekend BBQ prems side that was full of reserve reserve players and the keeper with a broken thumb that lost to sutherland in the C of C 2011.

I'm talking about his under 15 side...Get with the program...Didn't they tell you at the nursing you shouldn't wash down your senile pills with your grecian 2000. It will only confuse your lonely brain cell.

As for Pro...I'll see if Basha will release a list...

And yeah Happy New Year 2 u 2...Keep the circus rolling here at 4-4-2. Reading your posts is like hearing the dog fart and watching him trying to find it.

So, bashas all conquering U15 superstar rejects didn't even get to play cofc?

Tragic.



Edited by judy free: 1/1/2012 05:02:47 PM

:lol:

Pisser.

Billy - Wheelabarraback rooballers. Gets paid 3 red snakes per game.
Jono - Kickatinalong redbacks U/7's. Gets paid a maccas ice cream cone after every match.
Suzy - Rollarockalong bluetongues. Gets paid a new barbi outfit for win.
Harry - Bungalung blisters. Gets paid a packet of M & M's per win.

If that's not enough to have your cheque in the mail then nothing is ! :cool:

Now Judy try to contain your jealousy because that's 4 more pro's than you've ever trained but you have to give credit where it's due.

Edited by Aussiesrus: 1/1/2012 10:48:05 PM

I can see a player like the old Nick Carle struggling in the Dutch system, but to his credit he has worked on facets of the his defensive game that needed to be improved.

From my experience of the Dutch system, I can't see how most players would not benefit by training in it. It is basically organised street football within a structure.

Arnold is KNVB trained.
He has worked for years with Hiddink and Verbeek/Duut as Dutch coaches.

He played in the Eredivisie, so he is pretty Dutch influenced. He plays the 1-4-4-2 diamond, with the players he has at CCM disposal, which a number of other Dutch coaches like too as an exclectic variation on the attacking midfield triangle 1-4-3-3-system.



Postecoglou spent time at Arsenal observing and learning from Arsene Wenger. Wenger has been a keen admireer of the Dutch system.

Neither are Dutch, but they are Dutch influenced /trained.

I think the Dutch influence has improved the quality of the A League.

There may be other factors too, but I think a cogent argument can be made that the Dutch influence is one of them.

I take your point about harnessing the benefits of multiculturalism. We are probably influenced by South America by FFA and Vikings running our futsal competitions.

Versleijen thought we need more games against South American teams with considerable game sense to improve.

I've read about this topic extensively. Apart from the last World Cup, the Dutch have usually gone to every tournament with team disharmony. It seems that Dutch players have often put self-interest in front of the interests of the team as a whole.

At the last World Cup Holland had unanimity of purpose. Enough to play pragmatically in the final, then be excoriated for it.

The Dutch lack of mental strength and unanimity of purpose are not traits we want to replicate. But if we draw on their tactical and technical qualities, fused with Australian mental strength and unanimity of purpose, it is a potent combination.

The first three placegetters in the last World Cup were all Dutch influenced.

1. Spain (7 of the starting line up cam e from Barcelona's academy set up by O Johann Cruyff). Spain won it.

2. Holland came second.

3. Germany's whole system was overhauled based on Dutch methodology, because of the decent quality of Dutch players. They came third.

The next ‘Performance Phase’ takes place at the Australian Institute of Sport (AIS) in Canberra. The AIS football program is a full-time residential program for the very best Australian U/17 players. The majority of Australia’s U/17 team, the Joeys, are in this program and they play as a team in the National Youth League. For many of the AIS graduates this pathway is the start of a professional career, with several inking professional contracts with A-League or European clubs every year.

“Nationally, there is now a clear pathway for talented boys, in which the various steps are logically linked,” says Berger. “Access to any of these programs should not be money-driven – it should be about every talented kid getting the opportunity to enter these programs.” For the girls the pathway is different and not that streamlined yet. Berger claims FFA are currently working hard to improve this, because the interest among girls and women in football has increased dramatically.




Thee are only about 30 players in the AIS.

This is very narrow.


Unfortunately, the supposedly clear pathway for boys is money driven.

To play in a state team costs $3000, which precludes a lot of players.

One Liverpool youth coach told an Australian friend, he won't even look at a player unless he has played for Australia. It makes it very difficult for players outside the system.

Like in NZ cricket, there is too much emphasis on very few elite players. A much greater number need the opportunity to train/play at professional level, like in the US College system.

As Aussiesrus says, one can't make judgements on players at age 10-11, then map out a future for them as professional footballers and preclude all others.

In cricket, Nathan Lion, a cricket groundsman, has suddenly been elevated in the Australian Test team from nowhere.

Scott Chipperfield had not represented Australia in underage teams either. I'm not even sure he played in rep teams.

The nations all mentioned have much more $ in football due to a much higher population there system is to difficulty/impossible for Australia to replicate or in some cases dont suit our players. Ie we couldn't adopt a French (at team ur missing) structure in Australia it wouldn't work.

Hollands football landscap is the similar to ours in regards to, size, support, player traits, money (which is the big one) etc. However Holland has always had a strong side in European/World cup competitions and in the past played some good ball. Holland doesn't possess a world class league, they export most of their top players, they have strong success with there exports and produce players good enough to play at the very top levels of the game.

My understand was it was these characteristics that made a dutch system favourable to improve the technical standard of football in this nation with a system that has been fairly successful in player production in Europe.

As for that bullshit about mental strength thats just opinionated crap it might be true it might not be the fact is we lack/ed technical quality in our development this was the best system to improve our development.


Edited by Davstar: 2/1/2012 12:47:02 AM

It would IMO be fair to say that most people would agree that the elite systems in Australia are at the moment producing elitist players with premadonna personalities.

A true to form moronic answer, but an answer nonetheless.

Zero.

Now, tell me all about Basha's U15's being kicked out by GDSFA mid season. :lol:

Yep, all paper systems (now including 442) were invented by the Dutch, CCM's is just another.

As opposed to postmadonna personalities?

* The continuing struggles of an aggrieved parent.

What why would i be?
FYI i was think of kaz patafta + other when i posted this.
FWIW i would not let any of my children go to the AIS.

Suddenly? From nowhere?

From representing the ACT at age level in the futures league
to first class cricket in SA
to the SA Redbacks in the Big bash
to being the leading wicket taker in the BB
to being selected for the SA Sheffield Sheild team
and the one day Ryobi Cup
to selection for Australia A
to selection for the Australian test team.

Abrakadabra! Nathan Lyon, a cricket groundsman, has suddenly been elevated in the Australian Test team from nowhere. Bloody amazing, eh?

A certain respect you've earned...




Misinformed again...But don't let the truth get in the way of a good story...

Do go on....Tis amusing...

Decentric,

Interesting points. Will get back to you.

Edited by Aussiesrus: 2/1/2012 10:57:51 AM

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As for that bullshit about mental strength thats just opinionated crap it might be true it might not be the fact is we lack/ed technical quality in our development this was the best system to improve our development.


Edited by Davstar: 2/1/2012 12:47:02 AM[/quote]

The mental strength attribute is just a polite way for Johny Foreigner to say that you have norhing . They say the same for England and look how they dominated football with this one attribute.

Kicked out for disciplinary reasons?

That's ugly, even by Granville standards.

Overnight, I tell ya's.

One moment he was pushing a lawnmower, the next he was thrown the baggy green.

Decentric. :lol:

From what I read of Aussie football history, Kewell left Australia at 15, and Cahill left at 16 or 17.

Viduka seemed to go through that "institute of bogans...I mean sport" you guys have, so he's probably the only genuine "Aussie" product there is.

Europe finished Kewell and Cahill as football products.

Very true.

I hear this frequently.

I've also experienced it.

I didn't say 1-4-4-2 with the midfield diamond was invented by the Dutch.

Some Dutch trained coaches have used it as an attacking formation, such as Baan, Arnold and Verbeek.

I'm a TCA member. I hadn't seen Lyon playing for SA at Bellerive last season or before in Shield cricket.


So to my way of thinking, he was a bolter for Test cricket. He was working as a SA curator and had been sent a few balls down as a net bowler.


Other newer Test team members James Pattinson, Hughes, Kawaja, Patrick Cummins, Marsh were all well known to me.

Lyon played very few games as a senior cricketer before playing Test cricket. He was also unfamiliar to other TCA members.

ACT is low level for cricket, but probably more significant in league, union, football and hockey.

“We also are aware that the number of available places in this pathway is too limited and needs to be increased,” says Berger. “FFA is working on a number of initiatives to make that happen, in particular an accreditation system for A-league and state league club youth development academies.”


Good.

The state league youth academies are not operational in this state, and maybe a few others too.

There will be a safety net for kids not selected for FFA programmes.

While the above lays out the pathway for young Aussies players, there is a second element to Berger’s Curriculum – coach education. “Via the programs of the National Talented Player Pathway we can only influence a very limited number of players,” says Berger. “A better education of coaches at all levels of the game is the most effective way to bring about the desired changes and improvements throughout the whole football community.

“This is a long-term process and we should be thinking in decades rather than years. We have totally reviewed and restructured coach education across Australia. The content of the coaching courses has totally changed, our courses now match the standard of world’s best practice, I dare say.” The Asian Football Confederation (AFC) recently signed off on an agreement which allows FFA to run their own, AFC-approved, advanced coaching courses. From 46 AFC member federations only Japan and Australia have been granted this right, due to the standard and quality of their coach education programs.


In principle the coach education is great. The European methodology imparted by FFA now is decidedly superior to the ad hoc system in place before.

In practice there is an elitist Old Boys network within the FFA milieu. Some coaches are going to Singapore to be evaluated objectively to attain Asian Federation licences.

One coach who participates on this forum has been told he has no future in the FFA elite football milieu. This is because he wasn't a former elite player in football.

Coaches like Arriga Sacchi, Gerard Houllier and Jose Mourinho were also not former top pro players either. Maybe even Arsene Wenger is in the same category too?

There is an article in Performance about coaches further down this Performance page - teachers or former players, by Simon Kuper.
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=57370







Edited by Decentric: 2/1/2012 08:36:58 PM

Yes, you're right, all the experience i listed was bullshite. Of course, I made it up because you can't be fucking wrong, can you?

You must be fucking important, fella, he wasn't well known to you so he was suddenly elevated to the test team from nowhere. Perhaps he should have asked his majesty's permission.

A first class, state rep and Australia A player isn't a bowler sending a few balls down in the nets. For fucks sake, you tell lies to suit yourself, you silly old coot.

Edited by skeptic: 2/1/2012 08:47:20 PM

So, this membership card gives you carte blanche to make idiotic claims about cricket?

FFS, what is the relevance of your membership in the context of discussion re Lyon? :lol:




Edited by judy free: 2/1/2012 09:58:05 PM