The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese


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She also called the press conference at incredibly short notice so that people like Headly Thomas who has been one of the main investigative journalists in this debate didn't have time to attend the press conference, and even those who where able to attend at such short notice, didn't have time to compile a brief and work with their news cheifs on what all of the relevant issues were.

Also, why does no one see a problem with the fact that she freely admits she knew this account being set up was an election slush fund, even though the stated intention of the account was to accumulate tax payer money under the guise of workplace health and safety training. If this isn't a deliberate missuse of tax payer funds then I don't know what is, and even if it isn't illegal, it's certainly unethical, and as our PM, that IS important.
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Roar_Brisbane wrote:
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[youtube]Fh2pQv_TgaQ[/youtube]

Abbott lies to cover up mistakes

Finally seen the whole video. :lol: :lol: Facepalm stuff really. He butchered everything. #-o


Got halfway and had to turn it off. Unbelievable that this guy is even in parliament.
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macktheknife wrote:
Roar_Brisbane wrote:
ozboy wrote:
[youtube]Fh2pQv_TgaQ[/youtube]

Abbott lies to cover up mistakes

Finally seen the whole video. :lol: :lol: Facepalm stuff really. He butchered everything. #-o


Got halfway and had to turn it off. Unbelievable that this guy is even in parliament.

Towards the end he starts criticizing Gillard about not telling the truth and not answering those questions. It was really Facepalm stuff.

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I don't think Abbott lying or not lying about reading a BHP statement is quite as bad as Gillard lying about whether will be a carbon tax and the many other atrocities Labor has committed during her reign. If this is the worst thing you can get him on he must be doing a pretty good job.
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ozboy wrote:
Your assertion that "didn't mention the people in the middle, the ones who are intelligent enough to keep an open mind rather then close off their mind to alternative views" dismisses a key point out of the study that those of left-leaning are MORE LIKELY TO CONSIDER OTHER VIEWS. Unfortunately it has to be spelled out for you!!
That is why I suggested putting up the study.


I don't think a university study is quite the silver bullet you think it is. After all the integrity of the study could have been easily compromised by the political leanings of those who conducted the study, sometimes personal bias gets in the way of objective analysis. More cynically sometimes these studies are constructed to draw forth a specific result, or the results are deliberately manipulated to reinforce some pre-ordained agenda. Bottom line is just because it had supposedly "smart" people from a university coordinating the study and reporting the results does't give it real world merit.

Also I have no doubt the left leaning claim to be more likely to consider other views, but one of the quirks with the left is what's often claimed and what's experienced in reality are different entities.
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rusty wrote:
Gillard lying about whether will be a carbon tax

She didn't lie. Under a Labour government a Carbon Tax was not going to be introduced. The government is a coalition.
More simpleton statements from simpleton thinking.......
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rusty wrote:
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Your assertion that "didn't mention the people in the middle, the ones who are intelligent enough to keep an open mind rather then close off their mind to alternative views" dismisses a key point out of the study that those of left-leaning are MORE LIKELY TO CONSIDER OTHER VIEWS. Unfortunately it has to be spelled out for you!!
That is why I suggested putting up the study.


I don't think a university study is quite the silver bullet you think it is. After all the integrity of the study could have been easily compromised by the political leanings of those who conducted the study, sometimes personal bias gets in the way of objective analysis. More cynically sometimes these studies are constructed to draw forth a specific result, or the results are deliberately manipulated to reinforce some pre-ordained agenda. Bottom line is just because it had supposedly "smart" people from a university coordinating the study and reporting the results does't give it real world merit.

Its a scientific study, not a 'university' study & it is peer reviewed to minimise bias.
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rusty wrote:
I don't think Abbott lying or not lying about reading a BHP statement is quite as bad as Gillard lying about whether will be a carbon tax and the many other atrocities Labor has committed during her reign. If this is the worst thing you can get him on he must be doing a pretty good job.

Why do you think everyone is out to get Tony? This has just happened in the past week so everyone is talking about it now. If Gillard had done the same during the week, I would be calling her out as well.
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ozboy wrote:
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Gillard lying about whether will be a carbon tax

She didn't lie. Under a Labour government a Carbon Tax was not going to be introduced. The government is a coalition.
More simpleton statements from simpleton thinking.......


She said "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead", she leads the government, there is a carbon tax, therefore she lied.

Even a simpleton can tell the difference between truth and lie.
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rusty wrote:
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Gillard lying about whether will be a carbon tax

She didn't lie. Under a Labour government a Carbon Tax was not going to be introduced. The government is a coalition.
More simpleton statements from simpleton thinking.......


She said "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead", she leads the government, there is a carbon tax, therefore she lied.

Even a simpleton can tell the difference between truth and lie.

Your statement would sway simpletons, not critical thinkers.
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ozboy wrote:

She didn't lie. Under a Labour government a Carbon Tax was not going to be introduced. The government is a coalition.
More simpleton statements from simpleton thinking.......


Irrespective of political persuasion, that really is as pissweak a defence on the matter as you can get.

It's a George Bush Senior "Read my lips, no new taxes" bare-faced lie.

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ozboy wrote:
rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
rusty wrote:
Gillard lying about whether will be a carbon tax

She didn't lie. Under a Labour government a Carbon Tax was not going to be introduced. The government is a coalition.
More simpleton statements from simpleton thinking.......


She said "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead", she leads the government, there is a carbon tax, therefore she lied.

Even a simpleton can tell the difference between truth and lie.

Your statement would sway simpletons, not critical thinkers.


Telling the difference between a basic truth and lie doens't require any critical thinking, just common sense. :)
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rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
rusty wrote:
Gillard lying about whether will be a carbon tax

She didn't lie. Under a Labour government a Carbon Tax was not going to be introduced. The government is a coalition.
More simpleton statements from simpleton thinking.......


She said "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead", she leads the government, there is a carbon tax, therefore she lied.

Even a simpleton can tell the difference between truth and lie.

Your statement would sway simpletons, not critical thinkers.


Telling the difference between a basic truth and lie doens't require any critical thinking, just common sense. :)

Understanding that only part of story is presented and to not take statements on face value which may be out of context, tends to require a little more critical thinking
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ozboy wrote:
Its a scientific study, not a 'university' study & it is peer reviewed to minimise bias.


Peer reviewed by lefties? :lol:
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ozboy wrote:
Understanding that only part of story is presented and to not take statements on face value which may be out of context, tends to require a little more confused thinking


Fixed
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rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
Its a scientific study, not a 'university' study & it is peer reviewed to minimise bias.


Peer reviewed by lefties? :lol:

Possibly, because they are more intelligent...:cool:
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ozboy wrote:
rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
Its a scientific study, not a 'university' study & it is peer reviewed to minimise bias.


Peer reviewed by lefties? :lol:

Possibly, because they are more intelligent...:cool:


Ah I see, so lefties are more intelligent because more intelligent people are lefties. Nice use of critical thinking skills. =d>
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rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
Its a scientific study, not a 'university' study & it is peer reviewed to minimise bias.


Peer reviewed by lefties? :lol:

Possibly, because they are more intelligent...:cool:


Ah I see, so lefties are more intelligent because more intelligent people are lefties. Nice use of critical thinking skills. =d>

Nah, its well known (but obviously not that well known...:lol: ) that professors tend to be of left leaning (you know, the guys who undertake the peer review process.)
I'll let you guess what type of relationship there is between academics and intelligence...:lol:
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ozboy wrote:
rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
Its a scientific study, not a 'university' study & it is peer reviewed to minimise bias.


Peer reviewed by lefties? :lol:

Possibly, because they are more intelligent...:cool:


Ah I see, so lefties are more intelligent because more intelligent people are lefties. Nice use of critical thinking skills. =d>

Nah, its well known (but obviously not that well known...:lol: ) that professors tend to be of left leaning (you know, the guys who undertake the peer review process.)
I'll let you guess what type of relationship there is between academics and intelligence...:lol:


It's also well known academics don't like getting their fingernails dirty by doing real work.
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rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
Its a scientific study, not a 'university' study & it is peer reviewed to minimise bias.


Peer reviewed by lefties? :lol:

Possibly, because they are more intelligent...:cool:


Ah I see, so lefties are more intelligent because more intelligent people are lefties. Nice use of critical thinking skills. =d>

Nah, its well known (but obviously not that well known...:lol: ) that professors tend to be of left leaning (you know, the guys who undertake the peer review process.)
I'll let you guess what type of relationship there is between academics and intelligence...:lol:


It's also well known academics don't like getting their fingernails dirty by doing real work.

Thank god there was a professor or a hundred that undertook the initial science in various domains that society the world over has benefitted from
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I can't tell who's trolling who in this latest clash of intellect.
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Labor hopes for turn in fortunes at byelection

DateAugust 25, 2012 - 3:18PM

NSW Opposition Leader John Robertson says he hopes today's byelection in the Sydney seat of Heffron will show Labor is starting to claw back some of the support lost during its drubbing at the last state election.

Botany mayor Ron Hoenig is expected towin the seat vacated by former premier Kristina Keneally, particularly with the Liberal Party not fielding a candidate.

Like all Labor MPs, Ms Keneally suffered a massive swing against her in the heavy defeat of her government last year.

But with an equally popular candidate in Mr Hoenig, who has been mayor of Botany in eastern Sydney for 31 years, Mr Robertson said today "our expectation is, and we're hopeful that ... we will see an increase in our vote".

"Labor is hoping that the hard work we've put in during this campaign will be paid back with an increased vote from the March 2011 election," Mr Robertson told reporters at a polling booth at the JJ Cahill Memorial School in Mascot.

"It is disappointing that [Premier] Barry O'Farrell ran away from this contest.

"We still think today is an opportunity for the people in the electorate of Heffron to send the O'Farrell government [a] message. They don't like the direction this government is heading in and by voting Labor they can send that message loud and clear to Barry O'Farrell."

Former Labor premier and now federal Foreign Affairs Minister Bob Carr, who was handing out how to vote cards at the school, also hoped for a "modest upswing in the Labor vote".

"[Mr Hoenig would] be an excellent state member ... and those of us on the Labor side of politics that have taken a knocking of late, are looking for a modest upswing in the Labor vote," Mr Carr said.

"I think the cycle will turn. How quickly it turns is up to us. It will be good to see a decent, workmanlike, Labor result here."

Mr Hoenig told reporters he would bring to state politics the experience of being Botany mayor for 31 years.

"My experience on the ground will really add to the Labor Party's policy development and will add to us being able to show that, under John Robertson's leadership, we are an alternative government for the people of NSW," the 59-year-old said.

Greens candidate Mehreen Faruqi, expected to come second, said Labor had taken Heffron for granted by choosing a "party stalwart" to succeed Ms Keneally.

"A lot of people do think that this electorate has been taken for granted for a very long time by Labor," Ms Faruqi told reporters in Mascot.

"The Labor Party really had a opportunity to renew and refresh itself.

"[Mr Hoenig] represents everything the community feel went wrong with Labor."

AAP



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/labor-hopes-for-turn-in-fortunes-at-byelection-20120825-24sz3.html#ixzz24Xmcc7w3

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DateAugust 25, 2012

Peter Hartcher

No matter how resolutely Julia Gillard tries to tough this one out, she will remain under intense scrutiny.

inShare. Pin ItEmail articlePrint .One of the many intriguing aspects of the slush fund scandal that was revived against Julia Gillard this week is that the opposition had almost nothing to do with it.

In the annals of scandal-based attempts to embarrass or pressure prime ministers, this makes it as rare as a blue diamond, but nowhere near as attractive.

The opposition was not hawking to the press a dirt file on Gillard. It did not promote the story or brief reporters on the key questions to pursue. It did not use question time, not even once, to pressure her on the matter. These are the time-honoured hallmarks of an opposition-led assault; they were missing this week.

Tony Abbott did egg the media on by repeatedly telling reporters, when asked, that the Prime Minister had questions to answer. But he did not specify any, even when invited to. He was a bystander enjoying the spectacle and cheering it on, but not a participant.

Joe Hockey was being quite truthful yesterday when he told Channel Seven "it's not something we have been involved with, I must say. This has been coming from a range of different sources."

It wasn't for lack of access to the material. The scandal itself is an old one. Seventeen years old. A number of tireless promoters have been supplying briefings and dirt files to Coalition frontbenchers on it for years. Among those supplied were Eric Abetz, Nick Minchin, Barnaby Joyce and George Brandis.

So why didn't the Coalition make use of it? It looks like a perfect opportunity. The Prime Minster's previous life was as a lawyer at Slater & Gordon, traditionally the law firm of choice for trade unions.

And one of her clients, the Australian Workers Union, was and is one of the biggest. She made the mistake of taking the Victorian secretary of the union, Bruce Wilson, as her lover. So he was both her client and her boyfriend.

Wilson and his bagman, Ralph Blewitt, were forced out of the union amid accusations that they stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from a fund-raising vehicle, the AWU Workplace Reform Association.

He told Gillard it was a slush fund for his own re-election in the union, on her account. Instead, he allegedly used the money to buy himself a house.

How was Gillard involved? As his lawyer, she gave him legal advice in setting up this vehicle, the Workplace Reform Association, as an incorporated entity. As his lover, she went along to the auction with him to buy the house. She happened to be making renovations to her own house around the same time. She left Slater & Gordon soon after Wilson was forced out of the AWU.

There are some obvious questions for Gillard here. Did she know about his alleged fraud? Did she knowingly abet theft in any way?

When Wilson was allegedly stealing the money and Gillard was renovating her house, did any of the money find its way into her renovations? That is, did she benefit personally from any of the allegedly stolen funds?

Gillard's firm and consistent answer across the years is ''no'' to all questions. She has often been accused through the years, but no evidence against her has been produced.

But these questions were reopened this week when The Australian ran a series of articles by Hedley Thomas revisiting the matter, and adding some new information.

It looked like a perfect opportunity for the opposition to embarrass Gillard because it reminds the public of the intimate relations between Labor and the union movement, because it reminds the public of union corruption, and because it allows the opposition a new way to accentuate the old theme of Gillard's trustworthiness.

Why pass up the chance? There are three reasons that the opposition chose to sit this one out.

First, it was wary of running hard against a prime minister in an effort to embarrass her over a matter of personal conduct. The Liberal Party remembers only too clearly what happened to Malcolm Turnbull when Utegate blew up in his face.

Second, no political party has a monopoly on the politics of personal destruction. If Abbott had decided to pursue Gillard over her past private life, it would have invited retaliation from Labor.

But third is the fact that, after examining all the material, the opposition decided that there was no damning new evidence against Gillard. It looked bad, it was murky, but there was no hard evidence of a crime or misconduct.

Indeed, it was not only the opposition that drew this conclusion. The Australian's Hedley Thomas, author of this week's series on Gillard and Wilson, wrote an article on September 17 last year saying: "The Weekend Australian has examined thousands of pages of documentation and conducted numerous interviews to test long-standing allegations … that Ms Gillard - as a junior partner at the Melbourne law firm Slater & Gordon - was involved in wrongdoing by her then boyfriend, Mr Wilson.

"None of the material examined is capable of supporting the claims that Ms Gillard was a beneficiary of ill-gotten funds or that she knew at the time that Mr Wilson was involved in alleged fraud."

So how did the Prime Minister arrive at the point on Thursday of icily declaring that "I have determined that I will deal with these issues'', ''given we have got to a stage where false and defamatory material is now being recycled in The Australian newspaper," and taking questions from the press gallery until the questions were exhausted.

Something had changed. And it wasn't the opposition. It was in what Hockey had called "a range of different sources". What was it?

It was not the people whom Gillard described as "the misogynists and the nut jobs on the internet" who run a fevered, full-time hate campaign against her. That is a constant.

The watershed moment was when a member of Gillard's own caucus, Robert McClelland, stood in the House on June 21. McClelland was a widely respected member of the Gillard cabinet and served as her attorney-general before she dumped him.

Now speaking in his capacity as a backbencher, he rose to address the subject of a bill to crack down on fraud by union officials. In full knowledge of what he was doing, he committed an act of political bastardry against his leader:

"I never want to see a dollar that a worker gives a union used for any purpose other than the proper purposes of representing that union member's best interests," he said. "Indeed, I know the Prime Minister is quite familiar with this area of the law; as lawyers in the mid-1990s, we were involved in a matter representing opposing clients."

He had just revived the unmentionable matter of the Wilson scandal, the subject Gillard had spent 17 years trying to live down. Now McClelland talked it up:

"Indeed, my involvement in that matter has coloured much of my thinking in this area and resulted in me moving amendments on September 17, 2002, to actually strengthen the powers of the Federal Court of Australia."

The shadow attorney-general, George Brandis, called this "most significant," and he was right. Privately, McClelland told colleagues that he fully intended to give Gillard a punch in the nose.

It was a clear signal that he was joining the destabilisation of Gillard. It was a declaration that the Wilson affair was now fair game. And it was an invitation to others to reopen the matter, to use it against Gillard, and to receive the blessing and support of at least a part of the Labor Party.

One of the promoters of the Wilson story is a retired union official called Harry Nowicki. We'll be hearing more of Nowicki in the months to come.

A former industrial lawyer with the old Builders Labourers Federation, he had decided to write a history of the AWU. By the time of the McClelland declaration, he had already spent half a year researching the Wilson scandal and Gillard's relationship to Wilson as lawyer and lover. He was in close contact with Wilson's former bagman, Ralph Blewitt.

Nowicki says the McClelland speech was the moment that energised everybody interested in the affair: "It was when Robert McClelland made a speech - he's an ex-attorney-general, he's not some underground figure. I spoke to him, he vaguely remembered me as an industrial officer. Rob was disturbed - any lawyer looking at that union and what happened is uncomfortable."

Nowicki and Blewitt spoke to Thomas "and we convinced him there was more to it". So the reason the Wilson affair returned to haunt Gillard this week, according to Nowicki, is "the McClelland trigger, followed by Hedley".

Nowicki and Blewitt are hunting for documents. Nowicki takes this matter so seriously that he has retained a Melbourne criminal barrister, Peter Faris, to compile a brief of evidence on the Wilson scandal. Nowicki has asked him to "look at two things - professional misconduct of Julia Gillard and Slater & Gordon, and who might be liable to criminal charges" over the matter. He says he can afford this level of investigative legal diligence because he is "comfortably well off".

The opposition didn't need to bestir itself. With an entire ecosystem of anti-Gillard activists, dedicated promoters of the Wilson scandal like Nowicki and Blewitt, a split and bitter Labor caucus, and the anti-Gillard agenda of The Australian, this affair is not going to fade away.

Indeed, Gillard has now turbocharged this affair. She has elevated it to a legitimate subject of prime ministerial scrutiny. She said she would not lower herself to answer any future questions. But no matter how resolutely she tries to tough this out, new material and new questions will not stop coming.

Peter Hartcher is the political editor



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/pm-and-a-fistful-of-questions-20120824-24rtj.html#ixzz24XnJAexC

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As opposed to the millions who gave the world no benefit.
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ozboy wrote:
Thank god there was a professor or a hundred that undertook the initial science in various domains that society the world over has benefitted from


As opposed to the millions who gave the world no benefit.

A demonstration of your ignorance of the way science & the peer review process works

And I guess when you think about, as opposed to the billions of non-academics who also gave the world no benefit

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ozboy wrote:
rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
Thank god there was a professor or a hundred that undertook the initial science in various domains that society the world over has benefitted from


As opposed to the millions who gave the world no benefit.

A demonstration of your ignorance of the way science & the peer review process works

And I guess when you think about, as opposed to the billions of non-academics who also gave the world no benefit


You fucktard, the whole system of socialism is underpinned by the masses deriving mutual benefit.:lol::oops:
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Thank god there was a professor or a hundred that undertook the initial science in various domains that society the world over has benefitted from


As opposed to the millions who gave the world no benefit.

A demonstration of your ignorance of the way science & the peer review process works

And I guess when you think about, as opposed to the billions of non-academics who also gave the world no benefit


You fucktard, the whole system of socialism is underpinned by the masses deriving mutual benefit.:lol::oops:

I was phrasing things from your paradigm, evidenced by the common as shit phrase "academics don't like getting their fingernails dirty by doing real work". Of course, that was beyond you to grasp...

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ozboy wrote:
rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
Thank god there was a professor or a hundred that undertook the initial science in various domains that society the world over has benefitted from


As opposed to the millions who gave the world no benefit.

A demonstration of your ignorance of the way science & the peer review process works

And I guess when you think about, as opposed to the billions of non-academics who also gave the world no benefit


You fucktard, the whole system of socialism is underpinned by the masses deriving mutual benefit.:lol::oops:

I was phrasing things from your paradigm, evidenced by the common as shit phrase "academics don't like getting their fingernails dirty by doing real work". Of course, that was beyond you to grasp...

Edited by ozboy: 25/8/2012 06:57:44 PM


Now you're just talking out of your ass Ozboy. Give up mate, perhaps the left is more intelligent but you're definitely not one of them.
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rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
rusty wrote:
ozboy wrote:
Thank god there was a professor or a hundred that undertook the initial science in various domains that society the world over has benefitted from


As opposed to the millions who gave the world no benefit.

A demonstration of your ignorance of the way science & the peer review process works

And I guess when you think about, as opposed to the billions of non-academics who also gave the world no benefit


You fucktard, the whole system of socialism is underpinned by the masses deriving mutual benefit.:lol::oops:

I was phrasing things from your paradigm, evidenced by the common as shit phrase "academics don't like getting their fingernails dirty by doing real work". Of course, that was beyond you to grasp...


Now you're just talking out of your ass Ozboy. Give up mate, perhaps the left is more intelligent but you're definitely not one of them.

Being hit by a school bus is the closest you'll ever come to being educated......
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