Well, Abbott deserves his chance and Rudd is a proven failure.

Out of curiosity, is he the old Rudd or the new Rudd?

The man is a chameleon.

Edited by thupercoach: 11/7/2013 11:46:03 PM

Can you outline why exactly Abbott deserves a chance?

The man is a proven liar, proven to have no political conviction, and has zero policy ambition other than a bunch of meaningless slogans relating back to John Howard.

well i am not sure you can TRUST the internet to be 100% accurate.....and i can only speak of the industry that i am in...but compliance has risen under this government along with general on costs

Much the same can be said of Rudd. In 2007 coming from opposition he was light on policy detail.

New IR policy was the cornerstone of Kevin 07

Edited by notorganic: 12/7/2013 09:25:58 AM

funnily enough there are about 30 compliance requirements in that piece of legislation alone

I've always said that FairWork went too far back the other way from WorkChoices.

Needs a nice balance somewhere in the middle.

have to agree....and it has had a bad impact on some businesses.....

like when tradesmen worked for me they would get all their entitlements and a week of redundancy for every year they worked for me.....it was in the award...

then in our sector it was changed to 1 week for the first year and sudsequent year until year 4 where it ramped up to 12 weeks then 4 weeks for each year of service....with the swipe of a pen my employee entitlements for redundancy increased by $278,000.00 overnight....so tell me how does a business deal with that???

Don't hire shitc*nts?

-PB

Entirely objective there :roll:

what's it got to do with shitkunts???

it's redundancy you noodle

all staged for the gimps who can't see past the smoke and mirrors......

and the rest who are lining up for handouts

Pretty disrespectful article, really.

Did you see Chris Bowen on 7:30 the other night? He wants to cut the Company Tax Rate to something more like the average of OECD nations.

You can't use your example as the example of all business.

Legislation that results in what you are referring to is in direct reply to businesses doing the WRONG thing by taking a "force redundancies first, ask questions later" mentality.

By making it more expensive to make people redundant, it makes companies look at other ways to keep people employed and more productive, thus keeping another mouth in employment and off the newstart teet.

We really need to make citing blogs as news references a ban-worthy offence.

What else would the Righties use to support their arguments? :-k

China seeks Australia's help building emissions trading scheme
Date
July 11, 2013
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Heath Aston
Political reporter

Australia has been drafted in to help design an emissions trading scheme for China, the world's biggest polluter.

A deal announced in Canberra on Thursday will see the Australian National University take leadership of a program that will analyse pollution data provided by China and allow Chinese university researchers to examine Australia's experience of the carbon tax and transition to an emissions trading scheme.

China is aiming for a full national emissions trading scheme by 2015.

The program, known as the "Australia-China research program on market mechanisms for climate change policy", will team Australian researchers with those from three provincial universities in China and the Beijing Institute of Technology. The University of New South Wales and Melbourne University will also take part.

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The deal comes less than a month after China launched the first of seven pilot emissions trading schemes.

The first, in the manufacturing city of Shenzhen, will cover 635 companies, responsible for 38 per cent of the city's total emissions. Chinese authorities are under pressure to do something about the chronic air pollution affecting public health in Shenzen and across China.

China emits one-quarter of the world's greenhouse gases - nearly 10 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide, more than the US and India combined.

The $305,000 program, announced by Trade Minister Richard Marles, will be run by the ANU Crawford School of Public Policy, and led by Associate Professor Frank Jotzo of the School's Centre for Climate Economics and Policy.

He said projects would include modelling the effects of emissions pricing on electricity sector investments in China; research on how energy markets can be reformed to make carbon pricing more effective and the design of China's pilot emissions trading schemes.

Professor Jotzo said: ''In the future, China is expected to rely less on command-and-control economic management and more on market-based systems to help protect the environment and modernise its energy system.

''The research under this program will help inform Chinese policymakers about innovative approaches and international experiences,'' he said.

Climate expert and economist Ross Garnaut, a professor at ANU, said the most recent climate science showed a two degree warming of the planet was now a minimum and Chinese leaders understand there is a huge potential impact from climate for that nation.



Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/china-seeks-australias-help-building-emissions-trading-scheme-20130711-2prjh.html#ixzz2YpvChGM5

The Left has always enjoyed banning things. Keeps dissent down you see. It's for the masses' own good - who are they to figure stuff out for themselves?

Thats the point though notor, what your arguing is fair enough in relation to big business, but small business's such as batfink get strangled in the process, hence the argument of small business being strangled by regulation.

I've had to wrap up my small business, not going to go into details other then to say that i'm not blaming the Government for what happened, but what I will say is that it is very fucking hard to run a small business in Australia at the moment, and there IS things Governments both state and federal could do to make things easier...

Edited by RJL25: 12/7/2013 11:44:33 PM

this reply is wrong on so many levels..........the only way you will ever get it is to take the risk of employing 20-30 people and do it all by the books as i do.......what you are suggesting is that employers don't care about their employee's.......and we rape them for what we can get out of them........

what a complete load of rubbish......force redundancy....what do you think redundancy is you noodle......there is no bloody work......fuck you make me angry sometimes completely stupid analysis of business owners like me.....

and the comment about forcing companies to find other ways to keep people employed ??????

it's in my/our benefit to keep people employed you fucken noodle....that's what our business life revolves around......FMD you are seriously lost

are you for real......

this x 1,000,000,000,000

why not the same legislation affected every construction and contracting firm in australia........how is that not a good cross section???????

Just break that down for you;

http://www.news.com.au/[size=9][size=9]opinion[/size][/size]/rudd-just-can8217t-help-himself-when-it-comes-to-adoration/story-fnh4jt54-1226678320371

-PB

agree entirely....................100%

some fucktard writes a blog and automatically it holds water.....NOT

Even if that blog is attacking labour? ;) o:)

-PB

Don't get emotional, I'm telling it how it is.

Just because you run your business with a supposed people first mentality doesn't mean that it's anywhere near a majority mentality. The vast majority of businesses run on profits first, people second... No matter whether it's too the detriment of the economy at large or not.

I'm shocked that you would be so naive as someone that is such a business aficionado.

yep........

i laugh....sometimes people refer to books as a reference to an argument and education is largely based on text....but it's only as good as the individual who writes it......just another human being.....who says they are right....

i am shocked that you can assume that ALL businesses are out there to rape employee's.....i am part of many industry groups, and i can tell you 99% of these small to medium businesses are great people who really care about their employee's and the industry......you are naive to think that we would pour thousands upon thousands of $$$$ into training our tradesmen to terminate fiber, terminated high speed data, program lighting control systems work in a safe method and follow SWMS and OHS procedures on a construction site.....employ and train apprentices to then turn around and take your so called "forced redundancy" as an easy way out, after just investing considerable sums of money in these people?????

i think there are some poor employers but they are more likely to be in specific industries who are not self regulated or regulated at all......