Despite the hysteria Newmans popularity grows

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/campbell-newman-surges-in-popularity-despite-kevin-rudd-attacks/story-fnihsrf2-1226695060886#mm-breached

Remarkably short sighted - Labor would be replaced by an even worse government.

In SE QLD maybe.

-PB

Some people are truly idiots.

So I take it neither party admitted that their disgusting, sub-human policies on Asylum seekers were wrong and that they now want to help people who need help?

Is their any party that advocates the support, protection and aid of asylum seekers?

The loonie greens probably

They'll never get my vote :lol:

Unless they actually are the only people in politics who demonstrate a sense on humanity on the issue of asylum seekers.

Based on what?
The ALP is in shambles, Rudd only holds his job because he represents their only hope of getting elected, his party despises him and absolutely loathe working for him. He abandoned, bungled or completely failed to deliver on so many election promises but seemingly made up for it by delivering the apology to the Aborigines. This is arguably the worst period of government in our nations short history and has been marred by turmoil, infighting and instability; and Rudd has to shoulder the majority of the blame for that in both poor leadership and in continually working against his party for his own selfish cause.

I'd bet Einstein was labelled loonie during his time, too

"Pundits said Mr. Abbott won the lacklustre showdown..."

you mad bro???????:-" :-"

says who?

TBH i thought they were both pretty average...was pretty dull debate, if you could call it a debate.
can't see that it would sway any intelligent person opinion.

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Mark Latham " I dont think he cheated, the rules were you couldn't have documentation, such as fact sheets, handwritten notes were fine."

Jeff Kennett " I don't think Mr Abbott or anyone in the Liberal party is saying Mr Rudd cheated."

Sunrise





Edited by Joffa: 12/8/2013 07:28:48 AM

Edited by Joffa: 12/8/2013 07:29:09 AM

Didn't watch the debate.

If the rules said no notes, and either used notes, that is utter bullshit. Even if the bloke who used notes was the most pro-mining guy in the world (aka my man) I'd be offended by that. People can yap on all day about "i'm not voting for this guy, he's incompetent and sweats when put on the spot, looks creepy, whatever etc". If you're going to have a "showdown", play by the fxxxing rules. What kind of role model openly and blatantly cheats like that? Did he yap on about how important the education system was? Will he have to answer to the hundreds/thousands of emails of kids taking cheat-sheets into exams they weren't allowed to? Disregarding my bias - Kevin Rudd proved himself to be a complete and utter incompetent twat, and a terrible role model

I agree.

The rules didn't say no notes.

I tried to find a "non-biased" article. I found one from the ABC website, which I assume if anything would be pro-current-party-biased.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-12/party-leaders-back-on-the-campaign-trail-after-election-debate/4879458



If anything it just seems Rudd's spokesperson is playing the "innocent until pointed out guilty" card. Plus the moderator admitted he should have pulled it up.

As I said - horrific role model. This opens a whole can of worms. I legit can't take pride in the bloke.

Oh yes, the Greens are such lunatics, aren't they? With their wanting to uphold our treaties with the UN? Crazy

lololol News Corp.

-PB

How hilarious!

Courier Mail has "Rudds Debate Gaffe - PM accused of cheating in first face-off"

Australian has "Abbott cements lead as Rudds slips"

ROFLLLLLLLLLL

EDIT: Talk about trying to play the man and not the game.

-PB

Edited by paulbagzFC: 12/8/2013 09:16:58 AM

Oh look, the media is diverting from the policies and issues by inventing a fake storm over some fucking notes.

How about a storm over Abbott's shit policies?

Obviously a break down of communication of these notes. If they weren't allowed just allow Abbott to have notes for the next Round and Rudd to have none. Simple.

And his notes will simply be;

"Stop the booatttssssssssssssssssssssssss"

-PB

There are some issues with this assessment of the past 6 years of ALP governance.

In terms of party politics, yes it's been distasteful. The ALP made a huge mistake in knifing Rudd in 2010, and it's been a very strange and interesting time of internal turmoil ever since.

The LNP has succeeded by conflating internal politics with poor governance where the facts rarely align with the assertions made. While not perfect, the ALP has made several reforms that I believe will be looked back upon as good policy in the long run.

There are several examples of the things that Abbott and Hockey are saying, particularly about the economy, that have been proven false & inconsistent (see: http://youtu.be/Vn_YJj-U7Eo). There is a prima facie case here that the LNP are building up towards a period of Austerity if they win government, which is something that should be considered very scary for all Australians as the vast economic consensus shows that Austerity doesn't only not work, but tangibly makes things worse (see: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-age-of-austerity-is-over-why-it-doesnt-work-8586201.html).

As the debate showed last night, Abbott will be able to continue to mislead the public without the inconvenience of fact checking by the press. Left unchecked, we're on track to find out just how bad an Abbott led government will be. I believe that 433 is spot on with his assessment, wherever his allegiance lies.

Just my two cents, and its just and observation.

In this election, I think more so then most that have gone before, people won't necessarily be voting for the guy they like the most, rather from the choice they have, it will be the guy they dislike the least.

well what you have said does fit well within the cycle of government

ALP gain power blow all the cash leave a mess....then get voted out
LNP gain power clean up the mess get the budget back on track and do all the hard yards
then
ALP gain power blow all the cash leave a mess....then get voted out
LNP gain power clean up the mess get the budget back on track and do all the hard yards
then
ALP gain power blow all the cash leave a mess....then get voted out
LNP gain power clean up the mess get the budget back on track and do all the hard yards
then
ALP gain power blow all the cash leave a mess....then get voted out
LNP gain power clean up the mess get the budget back on track and do all the hard yards
then
ALP gain power blow all the cash leave a mess....then get voted out
LNP gain power clean up the mess get the budget back on track and do all the hard yards