batfink
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afromanGT wrote:You know you've screwed the pooch when the very first opinion poll after the election has you behind the opposition.
Good job, Australia. i think this is more to do with Bill Shorten saying nothing and not appearing on TV, as soon as that happens things will change
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Far out QLD politics are fucking stupid. Can't wait till Noddy is gone. -PB
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batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:You know you've screwed the pooch when the very first opinion poll after the election has you behind the opposition.
Good job, Australia. i think this is more to do with Bill Shorten saying nothing and not appearing on TV, as soon as that happens things will change So what you're saying is that even when the opposition have done nothing, One Term Tony and Fucknuckle Pyne have been so poor that they went backwards on their own?
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batfink
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macktheknife wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:You know you've screwed the pooch when the very first opinion poll after the election has you behind the opposition.
Good job, Australia. i think this is more to do with Bill Shorten saying nothing and not appearing on TV, as soon as that happens things will change So what you're saying is that even when the opposition have done nothing, One Term Tony and Fucknuckle Pyne have been so poor that they went backwards on their own? can you highlight where i said that...... it's obvious that Dill shorten is hopeless, he is hiding while Albanese, PLEBersek, Bowen and Burke do all the talking.......he is an opposition leader in hiding..... the previous government went on and on about how negative the opposition were in opposition, go watch APAC and see how hypocritical these fuckwits are.....
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batfink wrote:macktheknife wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:You know you've screwed the pooch when the very first opinion poll after the election has you behind the opposition.
Good job, Australia. i think this is more to do with Bill Shorten saying nothing and not appearing on TV, as soon as that happens things will change So what you're saying is that even when the opposition have done nothing, One Term Tony and Fucknuckle Pyne have been so poor that they went backwards on their own? can you highlight where i said that...... it's obvious that Dill shorten is hopeless, he is hiding while Albanese, PLEBersek, Bowen and Burke do all the talking.......he is an opposition leader in hiding..... the previous government went on and on about how negative the opposition were in opposition, go watch APAC and see how hypocritical these fuckwits are..... Not sure if you noticed, but One Term Tony is in charge now, he can't play the blame game on anyone but himself now.
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That one neilson opinion poll was very surprising...todays newspoll wasnt as bad for the government but its obvious that the honeymoon is over. Im pretty convinced that this crisis with Indonesia may be the main reason...and if its true then thats just bad luck for the government..really bad luck.
I dont come on here often so ill say this..If the Abbott government can have the guts to raise the pension and superannuation access age to 70 and broaden the GST by next election then theyll be likely to get my vote.
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That's totally what his policy was right?
Oh wait... it was the exact opposite of destroying it.
It was a 'unity ticket' with Labor.
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Why on Earth would anyone want GST to be raised? -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:Why on Earth would anyone want GST to be raised?
-PB Because the LNP, for all their bluster, are completely inept at running the economy and need a greater source of income to not go Greek on us. Of course this is all the ALPs fault, despite having dealt with a tougher economic climate and simultaneously building the nation rather than burning it :roll:
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The Gonski backflip is massive and for me an indicator of what to expect under Abbot. Pleasantly surprised to see O'Farrell call Pyne out on it too.
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http://www.afr.com/p/national/government_of_no_surprises_rewrites_YFgxK864VRKFbRIi44ovzNQuote:LAURA TINGLE Government of ‘no surprises’ rewrites history PUBLISHED: 26 NOV 2013 15:39:00 | UPDATED: 26 NOV 2013 16:33:28
Two months after being sworn in, the Abbott government is now at war with conservative states, the Senate and parents across the country. Not only is the politics of education calamitous, the government risks a High Court challenge to any attempt to walk away from education funding agreements with the states, being blocked in the Senate, and has even raised questions of sovereign risk.
On the political level, Christopher Pyne’s announcement on Tuesday that the government would dump the Gonski education funding model after 2014 is likely to leave voters feeling even more badly done by than they ever did about Julia Gillard and the carbon tax.
For behind all the well documented pledges about being on a “unity ticket” with Labor on education funding that were being thrown back at the Coalition on Tuesday is a more fundamental political problem for Prime Minister Tony Abbott.
That is that he promised he would lead a government of “no surprises”, a government that would rebuild faith with voters about politics by honouring its commitments, and remove the uncertainty of the last three years.
Instead the move on education leaves schools uncertain about their funding beyond next year, and the government on yet another uncertain path in the Senate on a central policy issue.
No wonder Labor is now repeating, ad nauseum, the line that the Abbott Government “is not the government they said they would be”.
The politics of the brawl with Indonesia may have reflected poorly on the prime minister’s control of foreign policy.
But education is something that affects almost everyone. It now seems the Coalition neutralised a positive issue for Labor by lying about its intentions.This is the only possible conclusion you can draw from Christopher Pyne’s attempts to rewrite the history of what he said before the election at a fiery Canberra press conference on Tuesday.
The government’s attempt to hide behind a suggestion of a ‘budget shortfall’ left by Labor only makes the politics of this look even more tawdry.
Mr Pyne is asserting that Bill Shorten “cut $1.2 billion from the school funding envelope for the next four years”.
In fact, what happened was the former government was unable to get the conservative governments in Western Australia, Queensland and the Northern Territory to agree to a new funding deal. It had allocated $1.2 billion to funding agreements with these three jurisdictions in its economic statement but they had declined to sign up. Therefore, the money was no longer relevant by the time of the pre-election fiscal and economic outlook. This was widely reported at the time, as was the fact that some, but not all schools, were covered by funding agreements on election day.
A majority of schools was covered by those agreements: schools in NSW, Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and the ACT, as well as catholic and independent schools.
Mr Pyne and Mr Abbott repeatedly committed to honouring funding agreements for at least four years. Mr Pyne has been working hard in the past few days to claim that even some of these deals weren’t properly completed but has struck push back from some of those on the other end of the agreement.
The bottom line is the Coalition is now saying it will only honour one year of the agreements reached with all of these school systems because, after that, it will have to spread the pot of money committed into those agreements across the whole country.
The NSW O’Farrell government is leading the push back in no uncertain terms, attacking not just the federal government’s decision but its very modus operandi. “When you move into government you have to stop behaving like an opposition”, Premier Barry O’Farrell said.
His education minister Adrian Piccoli observed Mr Pyne “must be the only person in Australia who thinks the SES (Socio-Economic Status) model [ the model that came into being under the Howard Government and which Mr Pyne has said he will resurrect] is a good model”.
The federal government cannot surely be serious in its assertion that it can simply walk away from a binding agreement with another government.
Maybe Mr O’Farrell is right and this is but another example of the Coalition failing to come to grips with the difference between being an opposition and being a government.
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Good thing "the adults" are in charge again.
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Thank God I won't have any kids going to school for at least the next couple of years :lol: -PB
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My daughter will be ready for school by the end of One Term Tony's reign. She might be ok.
Depends on how long it takes the ALP to sort out The Coalitions mess.
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notorganic wrote:My daughter will be ready for school by the end of One Term Tony's reign. She might be ok.
Depends on how long it takes the ALP to sort out The Coalitions mess. so melodramatic......
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Prime Minister Tony Abbott says he is going to take some time to reflect on Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's plan to restore diplomatic relations in the wake of the spying scandal. PM repeats regret over spy revelations
Dr Yudhoyono is seeking a new code of conduct with Australia that would include guarantees about spying activities. The president insists such an ethics agreement must be signed before relations can be fully normalised. Mr Abbott welcomed Dr Yudhoyono's statement. "It was a very warm statement. It was a statement that was very positive about Australia," he told reporters in Melbourne on Wednesday. "What the president is proposing is that trusted envoys should meet in the next few days to resolve any outstanding issues in the relationship."
Mr Abbott said that was a "good way forward". "I'm going to reflect on the statement over the next day or so and then we'll be responding more fully," he said. Revelations that Australian spies targeted the mobile phones of the president, his wife and inner circle opened a diplomatic rift last week. Mr Abbott said he wanted to bring "something positive" out of the recent hardship, and wanted to strengthen co-operation on combating bilateral issues such as counter-terrorism and people smuggling. The prime minister said he'd like to see a "security round table" established in the future so both nations could be more open with each other and build greater mutual trust. "Obviously, that relationship does depend on a great deal of intelligence sharing," he said. "I want to deepen an extend that in the weeks and months ahead." The prime minister is keen for a quick resolution, but "on a strong and lasting basis". "That's why I want to reflect for a short period of time on the statement that the president made last night, then the trusted envoys need to sit down and work through some of these issues," Mr Abbott said. He said Australia and Indonesia should emerge from the rocky period on an "even stronger and better footing". "While this has been a stressful week, in all relationships there are difficulties as well as strengths." He rejected the proposition that Australia's pursuit of closer security ties with Indonesia could harm long-standing relationships with key allies like the United States. "I've always said you don't make new friends by jettisoning old ones," he said. He remained confident that beef exports to Indonesia would continue to grow and wouldn't be affected by the diplomatic tension of recent days. Mr Abbott would not comment on what pledges he made in his letter to Dr Yudhoyono about phone tapping, saying he would not comment on the operational details of intelligence matters.
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notorganic wrote:My daughter will be ready for school by the end of One Term Tony's reign. She might be ok.
Depends on how long it takes the LNP to sort out The ALP's economic mess. corrected for accuracy....;)
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batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:My daughter will be ready for school by the end of One Term Tony's reign. She might be ok.
Depends on how long it takes the ALP to sort out The Coalitions mess. so melodramatic...... Haha, I seem to recall some very similar melodrama coming out of your typing fingers over the past few years ;)
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notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:My daughter will be ready for school by the end of One Term Tony's reign. She might be ok.
Depends on how long it takes the ALP to sort out The Coalitions mess. so melodramatic...... Haha, I seem to recall some very similar melodrama coming out of your typing fingers over the past few years ;) only difference is that you make these comments about something that hasn't and might not happen, it's just speculation......i make the comments about things that have actually occurred...... remember a report that came out about all the mindless spending on education by Gillard/KRUDD and the schools performances dropped under the ALP government
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Quote:i make the comments about things that have actually occurred...... If a boat arrives in Australian waters and no media is allowed to report it, did it actually arrive?
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The Senate committee is on now, the new Liberal stooges building the FTTN are fucking idiots, they don't have a clue about what they are doing, they are building this inadequate broadband review, without getting any data about the quality of the copper. It's a real case study in shifty Liberal bullshit.
So Ziggy & Turnbull said last week they were going to build the 'worst' areas first.
Yet they won't know what are these worst areas.
Edited by macktheknife: 28/11/2013 01:17:15 PM
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macktheknife wrote:The Senate committee is on now, the new Liberal stooges building the FTTN are fucking idiots, they don't have a clue about what they are doing, they are building this inadequate broadband review, without getting any data about the quality of the copper. It's a real case study in shifty Liberal bullshit.
So Ziggy & Turnbull said last week they were going to build the 'worst' areas first.
Yet they won't know what are these worst areas. Has jobs for mates written all over it. -PB
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China row: Bill Shorten says Coalition has had a ‘rocky start’ in foreign affairs Foreign minister Julie Bishop denies overstepping the mark in her criticism of China’s new air defence zone Australian Associated Press theguardian.com, Thursday 28 November 2013 13.52 AEST Federal Labor leader Bill Shorten says the Abbott government has had a "rocky start" to foreign affairs after China emerged as a new diplomatic hotspot. Foreign minister Julie Bishop is standing by her criticism of China's decision to impose an air-defence zone in the East China Sea without warning or consultation. Her initial comments drew a sharp rebuke from China but she denies she overstepped the mark. "This is long-standing Australian policy to oppose any unilateral or coercive action by any country that could add to the tensions that currently exist in the East China Sea," Bishop told reporters in Sydney on Thursday. She confirmed that China called in a senior Australian diplomat in Beijing to explain Bishop's comments. "It's part of the ongoing discussion about our concerns over this issue," she said. Shorten says the government must handle foreign affairs competently. "I think it's fair to say the federal government has a number of spot fires which have emerged," he told reporters in Canberra. "We accept that they've had a rocky start in foreign affairs, we want them to get it right." But Shorten wouldn't say whether he believed Bishop was right to criticise China's actions, saying he did not intend to "coach the government from the grandstand". Bishop said Australia was not taking sides in China's territorial dispute with Japan, and was not the only country to express concerns about China's actions. The issue will loom large over the Abbott government’s efforts to sign a free-trade pact with China, Australia’s largest trading partner. Australian officials have expressed hope that negotiations, which began in 2005, would be complete before Abbott visits China in the first half of next year. Bishop said she did not believe the disagreement would affect the government's chances of securing the free trade deal. She said on Tuesday the matter would be raised when she travelled to China in the next couple of weeks. China-Australia relations have already been strained by a series of recent diplomatic controversies. In October, Bishop said Japan would remain Australia’s “best friend in Asia”, angering Chinese officials, and Abbott reaffirmed a ban on the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei's bid to participate in building the national broadband network. Bilateral trade between Australia and China stood at $US122.3bn ($A134bn) in 2012, according to Xinhua, China’s official newswire. Bishop said she had summoned the Chinese ambassador, Ma Zhaoxu, on Monday to express concern at the zone. Treasurer Joe Hockey said Bishop had done "exactly the right thing" by criticising China. Chinese ambassador to Australia Ma Zhaoxu issued a statement overnight criticising the federal government's "finger-pointing" and defending Beijing's actions. "The move is aimed at safeguarding national sovereignty and security of territory and territorial airspace and maintaining the order of flight," he said. "It is not directed against any specific country or target. China does not accept Australia's groundless accusations." China urges Australia to observe its promise of not taking sides on disputes of territorial sovereignty "to avoid damage to the co-operative relations between the two countries". http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/28/bill-shorten-accuses-rocky-start-foreign-affairs
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Says much about the mainstream media that they needed an estimates committee being told leading questions by Stephen Conroy before they wrote about this. Who would have thunk that if you swap 70% of the country from getting full FTTP with speeds of up to 1000/400 (with the potential for more in the future) to FTTN with a max of maybe 25, of if you're lucky, 50, and maybe in 3 years and another upgrade later 100, that you'd forgo revenue because people on FTTN can't actually order anything faster and thus more expensive.
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good decision, very glad this was blocked................=d> =d> =d>
Graincorp The boss of US food giant Archer Daniels Midland says it is disappointed with federal treasurer Joe Hockey's decision to reject its 100 per cent takeover bid for GrainCorp.
ADM chief executive Patricia Woertz said the proposed $3.4 billion takeover of GrainCorp was in the best interests of Australia's grain growers and its economy.
"We are disappointed by this decision," she said in a statement on Friday.
"We are confident that our acquisition of GrainCorp would have created value for shareholders of ADM and GrainCorp, as well as grain growers and the Australian economy."
Ms Woertz said ADM would work with GrainCorp to maximise the return from its 19.85 percent stake in the company.
Announcing his decision on Friday morning, Mr Hockey said GrainCorp handled 85 percent of Australia's bulk grain exports and the proposed foreign takeover was not in the national interest.
"For me to reject this proposal, I had to determine that the acquisition of GrainCorp by ADM is contrary to the national interest," he said.
"Based on all the available information, I have now made that decision."
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Abc news and the Guardian refusing to report on allegations Indonesian air force personal smuggled native birds out on the recently gifted military aircraft
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