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Fourfiveone wrote:Excuse me ignorance but what is "group think"? Is it exclusive to the ABC? What is so dangerous about it?
I've heard the term thrown around by Andrew Bolt but I'm not sure exactly what it means. not exclusive to the ABC quite common on this forum and communist countries past and present
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paulbagzFC
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ricecrackers wrote:Fourfiveone wrote:Excuse me ignorance but what is "group think"? Is it exclusive to the ABC? What is so dangerous about it?
I've heard the term thrown around by Andrew Bolt but I'm not sure exactly what it means. not exclusive to the ABC quite common on this forum and communist countries past and present So if the majority of people think you are a wanker does that constitute as a "group think" and therefore make them communist? -PB
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afromanGT
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ricecrackers wrote:Fourfiveone wrote:Excuse me ignorance but what is "group think"? Is it exclusive to the ABC? What is so dangerous about it?
I've heard the term thrown around by Andrew Bolt but I'm not sure exactly what it means. not exclusive to the ABC quite common on this forum and communist countries past and present Groupthink applies to a group consensus through desire for harmony and conformity. This is a forum, where individuals express their personal opinion. Just because many people disagree with you doesn't mean they agree with each other.
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afromanGT wrote:benelsmore wrote:Fourfiveone wrote:benelsmore wrote:Fourfiveone wrote:Scoll wrote:benelsmore wrote:I don't want them to live in terrible conditions. They should be provided sound conditions with the bare essentials they need to live and learn. Lets bring them in immediately if they can prove they're genuinely refugees, lets give them lessons in English and a trade skill so they can give back.
If this happens though, I can't wait for the lefty scum to complain about the conditions of their accommodation because they risk being placed in low socio economic areas with high percentages of government housing. Then again, the left isn't usually associated with common sense. The left would probably still complained if they lived in better conditions than most existing Australians :lol: So essentially, we want the exact same thing except we identify as different sides of the political landscape. It does no-one any favours to attack "sides" rather than consider what is actually at hand. There is nothing wrong with being 'left' or 'right' philosophically, there are great flaws with being extreme left or extreme right, however, as it is at the expense of logic and common sense. It's barracking for a team rather than rationally reasoning through problems. =d> I hate the whole "left" & "right" thing. Morons feel more comfortable after they've put you in their labeled box. :lol: The irony of your statement is quite amusing. Using a label to attack another label. Well done. You refered to "lefty scum" forgive me for thinking you're stupid. I find a lot (not all) far left leaning people unrealistic and philosophical with a lot of ideas as to what should be done and no idea how to do it. Just an observation of experience. I'm sure there are comparable people in every political persuasion. Leftists look like idealists with difficulty making real world application. Rightists look fear driven with difficulty making human connection. :lol: That's good i like that.
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rusty
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afromanGT wrote:benelsmore wrote:Fourfiveone wrote:benelsmore wrote:Fourfiveone wrote:Scoll wrote:benelsmore wrote:I don't want them to live in terrible conditions. They should be provided sound conditions with the bare essentials they need to live and learn. Lets bring them in immediately if they can prove they're genuinely refugees, lets give them lessons in English and a trade skill so they can give back.
If this happens though, I can't wait for the lefty scum to complain about the conditions of their accommodation because they risk being placed in low socio economic areas with high percentages of government housing. Then again, the left isn't usually associated with common sense. The left would probably still complained if they lived in better conditions than most existing Australians :lol: So essentially, we want the exact same thing except we identify as different sides of the political landscape. It does no-one any favours to attack "sides" rather than consider what is actually at hand. There is nothing wrong with being 'left' or 'right' philosophically, there are great flaws with being extreme left or extreme right, however, as it is at the expense of logic and common sense. It's barracking for a team rather than rationally reasoning through problems. =d> I hate the whole "left" & "right" thing. Morons feel more comfortable after they've put you in their labeled box. :lol: The irony of your statement is quite amusing. Using a label to attack another label. Well done. You refered to "lefty scum" forgive me for thinking you're stupid. I find a lot (not all) far left leaning people unrealistic and philosophical with a lot of ideas as to what should be done and no idea how to do it. Just an observation of experience. I'm sure there are comparable people in every political persuasion. Leftists look like idealists with difficulty making real world application. Rightists look fear driven with difficulty making human connection. Centrists are usually left or right but convinced they are the "middle ground". Even the Greens consider themselves centrists and their policies a perfect mix of pragmatism and humanism. There was a guy recently on the ABC who described the Labor Party as hard right and the Liberals as ideological extremists.
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rusty wrote:afromanGT wrote:benelsmore wrote:Fourfiveone wrote:benelsmore wrote:Fourfiveone wrote:Scoll wrote:benelsmore wrote:I don't want them to live in terrible conditions. They should be provided sound conditions with the bare essentials they need to live and learn. Lets bring them in immediately if they can prove they're genuinely refugees, lets give them lessons in English and a trade skill so they can give back.
If this happens though, I can't wait for the lefty scum to complain about the conditions of their accommodation because they risk being placed in low socio economic areas with high percentages of government housing. Then again, the left isn't usually associated with common sense. The left would probably still complained if they lived in better conditions than most existing Australians :lol: So essentially, we want the exact same thing except we identify as different sides of the political landscape. It does no-one any favours to attack "sides" rather than consider what is actually at hand. There is nothing wrong with being 'left' or 'right' philosophically, there are great flaws with being extreme left or extreme right, however, as it is at the expense of logic and common sense. It's barracking for a team rather than rationally reasoning through problems. =d> I hate the whole "left" & "right" thing. Morons feel more comfortable after they've put you in their labeled box. :lol: The irony of your statement is quite amusing. Using a label to attack another label. Well done. You refered to "lefty scum" forgive me for thinking you're stupid. I find a lot (not all) far left leaning people unrealistic and philosophical with a lot of ideas as to what should be done and no idea how to do it. Just an observation of experience. I'm sure there are comparable people in every political persuasion. Leftists look like idealists with difficulty making real world application. Rightists look fear driven with difficulty making human connection. Centrists are usually left or right but convinced they are the "middle ground". Even the Greens consider themselves centrists and their policies a perfect mix of pragmatism and humanism. There was a guy recently on the ABC who described the Labor Party as hard right and the Liberals as ideological extremists. Ha ha. Yeah this is true. Fox News always loves to paint the democrats as hard core communists. It's all relative. The difference between labor and liberals is less than what people think.
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afromanGT
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The only differences between Labor and Liberal is the spelling and which corporations they answer to (industrial or fiscal)
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afromanGT wrote:The only differences between Labor and Liberal is the spelling and which corporations they answer to (industrial or fiscal) What on Earth is a fiscal corporation?
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ricecrackers
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humbert wrote:afromanGT wrote:The only differences between Labor and Liberal is the spelling and which corporations they answer to (industrial or fiscal) What on Earth is a fiscal corporation? 
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humbert wrote:afromanGT wrote:The only differences between Labor and Liberal is the spelling and which corporations they answer to (industrial or fiscal) What on Earth is a fiscal corporation? Quick, WikimanGT, to the knowledge suppository!
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humbert wrote:afromanGT wrote:The only differences between Labor and Liberal is the spelling and which corporations they answer to (industrial or fiscal) What on Earth is a fiscal corporation? I think it's a faux pas
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afromanGT
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humbert wrote:afromanGT wrote:The only differences between Labor and Liberal is the spelling and which corporations they answer to (industrial or fiscal) What on Earth is a fiscal corporation? Banks etc. Companies that survive off the decisions of the treasury and central bank.
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ricecrackers
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afromanGT wrote:humbert wrote:afromanGT wrote:The only differences between Labor and Liberal is the spelling and which corporations they answer to (industrial or fiscal) What on Earth is a fiscal corporation? Banks etc. Companies that survive off the decisions of the treasury and central bank. so which banks donate to Liberal only and which donate to ALP only? and which unions donate to the Liberal party?
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afromanGT
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ricecrackers wrote:afromanGT wrote:humbert wrote:afromanGT wrote:The only differences between Labor and Liberal is the spelling and which corporations they answer to (industrial or fiscal) What on Earth is a fiscal corporation? Banks etc. Companies that survive off the decisions of the treasury and central bank. so which banks donate to Liberal only and which donate to ALP only? and which unions donate to the Liberal party? I'm not sure that Australian parties are forced to disclose their donors like their US counterparts are?
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afromanGT wrote:ricecrackers wrote:afromanGT wrote:humbert wrote:afromanGT wrote:The only differences between Labor and Liberal is the spelling and which corporations they answer to (industrial or fiscal) What on Earth is a fiscal corporation? Banks etc. Companies that survive off the decisions of the treasury and central bank. so which banks donate to Liberal only and which donate to ALP only? and which unions donate to the Liberal party? I'm not sure that Australian parties are forced to disclose their donors like their US counterparts are? oh yes they are above a relatively small threshold
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afromanGT wrote:ricecrackers wrote:afromanGT wrote:humbert wrote:afromanGT wrote:The only differences between Labor and Liberal is the spelling and which corporations they answer to (industrial or fiscal) What on Earth is a fiscal corporation? Banks etc. Companies that survive off the decisions of the treasury and central bank. so which banks donate to Liberal only and which donate to ALP only? and which unions donate to the Liberal party? I'm not sure that Australian parties are forced to disclose their donors like their US counterparts are? Anything over $11,900 must be disclosed. Here's an interesting article with a chart of the biggest donors. Lowy's hedging his bets; Westfield donated $165k each to Labor and Liberal. Interesting to see top four Labor donors were all companies, and that the Liberals get around double what Labor do.
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Quote:Lowy's hedging his bets; Westfield donated $165k each to Labor and Liberal. Ingham's donated $250k to each too. Also, shows that many of the major donors for the LNP were investment companies and banks.
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paladisious
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afromanGT wrote:Quote:Lowy's hedging his bets; Westfield donated $165k each to Labor and Liberal. Ingham's donated $250k to each too. Also, shows that many of the major donors for the LNP were investment companies and banks. Yeah I didn't click through it all but it seems most banks donate to both, but give less to the ALP than they do the Libs.
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paulbagzFC
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Palmer and Ludlum (?) running amuck :lol: -PB
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notorganic wrote:humbert wrote:afromanGT wrote:The only differences between Labor and Liberal is the spelling and which corporations they answer to (industrial or fiscal) What on Earth is a fiscal corporation? Quick, WikimanGT, to the knowledge suppository! that should be put to batman music like when batman says "quick robin to the batcave"
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paulbagzFC
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How did I only just find this :lol: http://pickeringpost.com/Fuck the Facebook page is ripe with lols. -PB
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I guess the right needs some representation on social media too
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rusty wrote:I guess the right needs some representation on social media too I just find it hilarious that in his mission statement he makes it out as if there is no Right wing representation in mainstream media :lol: -PB
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Just when I taught that former Labor government was a forgotten ugly dream, here comes Bob and his diaries.
Honestly what a knob.
Bob showed his intellectual level and what a self-indulgent fool he is.
Just a reminder that he went to the last election and won the senate seat representing Labor party, he quit on his own term and gone, but people in Labor party that endorsed him are still designing our political platform.
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paulbagzFC
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Gillard gettin' pressured by the Jews :lol: -PB
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ABC wrote:Speaking to the ABC's 7.30 program, the former foreign minister said "extreme right-wing" pro-Israel lobbyists had an "unhealthy" influence on Australia's policy towards Israel and the Occupied Territories... and in addition to that, to seek to win on everything, to block the foreign minister of Australia through their influence with the Prime Minister's Office, from even making the most routine criticism of Israeli settlement policy using the kind of language that a conservative foreign secretary from the UK would use in a comparable statement. Mr Danby says Mr Carr's "performance" on 7.30 last night was "comical bordering on maniacal" and no lobby group in Australia has that kind of influence. "It's laughable but I suppose in the current climate, as George Brandis says, it's OK to be a bigot," Mr Danby told the ABC's Louise Yaxley. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-10/michael-danby-rubbishes-bob-carr-pro-israel-lobby-comments/5379766 So, we're not allowed to criticize the illegitimate theft of land and genocide of the Palestinians by Israel, because it would be "bigoted" to do so? This why we need the right to be a bigot. Edited by 433: 10/4/2014 11:57:33 AM
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433 wrote:ABC wrote:Speaking to the ABC's 7.30 program, the former foreign minister said "extreme right-wing" pro-Israel lobbyists had an "unhealthy" influence on Australia's policy towards Israel and the Occupied Territories... and in addition to that, to seek to win on everything, to block the foreign minister of Australia through their influence with the Prime Minister's Office, from even making the most routine criticism of Israeli settlement policy using the kind of language that a conservative foreign secretary from the UK would use in a comparable statement. Mr Danby says Mr Carr's "performance" on 7.30 last night was "comical bordering on maniacal" and no lobby group in Australia has that kind of influence. "It's laughable but I suppose in the current climate, as George Brandis says, it's OK to be a bigot," Mr Danby told the ABC's Louise Yaxley. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-10/michael-danby-rubbishes-bob-carr-pro-israel-lobby-comments/5379766 So, we're not allowed to criticize the illegitimate theft of land and genocide of the Palestinians by Israel, because it would be "bigoted" to do so? This why we need the right to be a bigot. Edited by 433: 10/4/2014 11:57:33 AM It's shocking how much sympathy the Palestinians get. They're being utter c*nts over this issue and trying to get the arab league to destroy Israel. They play the poverty card and yet do f*ck all to help themselves. If they legitimately wanted peace they'd have taken the 50% offered to them in the first place and got on with it. Instead they've started several wars and had their butt kicked every time :lol:
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benelsmore wrote:433 wrote:ABC wrote:Speaking to the ABC's 7.30 program, the former foreign minister said "extreme right-wing" pro-Israel lobbyists had an "unhealthy" influence on Australia's policy towards Israel and the Occupied Territories... and in addition to that, to seek to win on everything, to block the foreign minister of Australia through their influence with the Prime Minister's Office, from even making the most routine criticism of Israeli settlement policy using the kind of language that a conservative foreign secretary from the UK would use in a comparable statement. Mr Danby says Mr Carr's "performance" on 7.30 last night was "comical bordering on maniacal" and no lobby group in Australia has that kind of influence. "It's laughable but I suppose in the current climate, as George Brandis says, it's OK to be a bigot," Mr Danby told the ABC's Louise Yaxley. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-10/michael-danby-rubbishes-bob-carr-pro-israel-lobby-comments/5379766 So, we're not allowed to criticize the illegitimate theft of land and genocide of the Palestinians by Israel, because it would be "bigoted" to do so? This why we need the right to be a bigot. It's shocking how much sympathy the Palestinians get. They're being utter c*nts over this issue and trying to get the arab league to destroy Israel. They play the poverty card and yet do f*ck all to help themselves. If they legitimately wanted peace they'd have taken the 50% offered to them in the first place and got on with it. Instead they've started several wars and had their butt kicked every time :lol: It's shocking how much sympathy the Israelis get. They're being utter c*nts over this issue and trying to get America to destroy the Middle-East. They play the anti-Semitic card and yet do f*ck all to help themselves.
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afromanGT
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Holy shit, the guy actually implies that Abbott is socialist. :lol:
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ITT: Bob Carr expresses legitimate concern over Israeli (explicitly corrected interviewer on this) influence when she said "Jewish" lobby.
Jews outraged.
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