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batfink wrote:mcjules wrote:batfink wrote:mcjules wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:"Wrong" :lol:
Yet can't ever provide one single example where you have ever said otherwise :lol:
-PB that's your opinion and you are entitled to it................... i don't automatically think anyone who disagrees with me is a labor goon.....usually it's the comments that they make that lead me to think that..... i am not surprised that it is hard for you people to work that out....but hey it's all good, i will continue to tolerate your ignorance You fail to understand the difference between being a Labor goon and hating the Liberal party. I too tolerate your ignorance ;) nah pretty sure i have you sorted out Don't really care to be honest, it's just a bit dull that's all. Some new banter would be good. May be asking too much. ok.... what do you reckon will happen with the Lambie / palmer stoush??? she is a bit of a loose canon isn't she or do you think she has developed a conscious? anyway good viewing and canon fodder, she isn't the brightest tool in the shed By the sounds of things they're splitsville. Good media distraction from the real issues but we all know that's what they like. I think she's unpredictable for sure but perhaps she's responding to what her constituents want. It is Tassie after all :lol: I'm sure a state like that has room for a Nick Xenophon type.
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I think she's dumb as dogshit, but has that bulldog bogan pigheadedness that Palmer should have known that he wouldn't be able to control.
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mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:I suppose it was all a major coincidence then that Abbott sealed three FTAs in a year, with a forth on the cards. Just lucky I spose. Good timing I guess. Right place at the time. Andrew Robb has been pretty much the only shining light in this disgrace of a government. Bishop has done well. Morrison stopped the boats. You only subscribe to "the disgrace of the government" mantra if you swallow all the left media spin and bullshit that is flung around, as it in their interests to sell this narrative, doenst make it objective truth.
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rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:I suppose it was all a major coincidence then that Abbott sealed three FTAs in a year, with a forth on the cards. Just lucky I spose. Good timing I guess. Right place at the time. Andrew Robb has been pretty much the only shining light in this disgrace of a government. Bishop has done well. Morrison stopped the boats. You only subscribe to "the disgrace of the government" mantra if you swallow all the left media spin and bullshit that is flung around, as it in their interests to sell this narrative, doenst make it objective truth. Morrison stopped reporting on the boats :lol: -PB
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http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/tony-abbott-dogged-by-interview-with-sbs-anton-enus-about-abc-cuts-on-eve-of-election-20141120-11qc97.htmlThe best bit is poor old Turnbull on the 7:30 report trying to spin his way out of the shit he's been dumped in. --------------------------------------------//--------------------------------------------------------- Tony Abbott dogged by interview with SBS' Anton Enus about ABC cuts on eve of election Patrick Begley Published: November 21, 2014 - 6:48AM In 10 seconds and 25 words, on the eve of an election he was almost guaranteed to win, Tony Abbott delivered the soundbite that bit back. Mr Abbott chose an11th-hour interview on SBS World News, Australia's least watched free-to-air news bulletin, to give voters a crystal clear set of guarantees. Interviewer Anton Enus asked a simple question about cuts to public broadcasters and received much more in response. The man labelled "Dr No" by Julia Gillard promised "no cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST, and, no cuts to the ABC or SBS". The SBS website clip has now been shared on Facebook more than 8000 times. YouTube videos of the promises have been viewed more than 110,000 times, spiking sharply after the May budget and continuing to rise. Labor has mixed the interview into its "You'll Pay for Abbott's Lies" attack ads. The audio has even been set to a blissed-out hip-hop beat in a "No Cuts" video. For the Coalition's enemies, it is the grab that keeps on giving. When exactly the electorate made up their mind to kick the Labor mob out is a matter for political historians. But it was almost certainly not during the 6.30pm broadcast on Friday, September 6, 2013. After what was described as a marathon, three-year campaign, Mr Abbott had chosen to taper off that day, campaigning in just two seats - one of which was safely Liberal. Yet despite his quiet day, he decided to appear on SBS in a live cross from Penrith. The "optics" of an interview in a deserted football stadium seemed odd but suited the contender's sporting metaphors. "This is like a grand final," Mr Abbott told Enus. "There's only one try in it, either side can still win." Behind his shoulder lay the field where, weeks earlier, he had raised the spectre of his so-called "women problem" by noting the "sex appeal" of Liberal candidate Fiona Scott. Enus, an award-winning broadcaster with 30 years' experience, asked Mr Abbott a question that conservative politicians regularly side-step. "Well, what about public broadcasters, Mr Abbott, another soft target? Are the ABC and the SBS in the firing line?" Mr Abbott - the politician who wanted to under-promise and over-deliver - sought to soothe every fear. "I trust everyone has listened to what Joe Hockey has said, last week and again this week: no cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST, and, no cuts to the ABC or SBS." But when Mr Abbott said "no cuts" he did not mean the ABC would be "exempt from any savings measure", Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull said on 7.30 on Wednesday. "To accept that, you would have to assume that he had decided on the eve of the election to overrule and contradict the very carefully considered statements that Joe Hockey and I had been making," Mr Turnbull said. Presenter Leigh Sales wondered whether voters "should've been parsing Mr Abbott's comments and Mr Hockey's comments and your comments to try to figure out exactly what that meant". On Thursday, Finance Minister Mathias Cormann said the reduced budget did not amount to a broken promise or cut because the ABC had escaped "efficiency dividends" for the past 20 years. And in May, the budget raised the idea of a promise hierarchy in which "repairing the budget" counted as a kind of meta-promise. All of which makes the simplicity of that Friday night last September seem a long time ago.
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Just wondering, Abbott's lie on 'no cuts to the ABC' is better/worse than Gillard's 'no carbon tax'?
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f1worldchamp wrote:Just wondering, Abbott's lie on 'no cuts to the ABC' is better/worse than Gillard's 'no carbon tax'? Too many variables. Arguably Abbott's is more dishonest but has less social impact than Gillards.
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rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:I suppose it was all a major coincidence then that Abbott sealed three FTAs in a year, with a forth on the cards. Just lucky I spose. Good timing I guess. Right place at the time. Andrew Robb has been pretty much the only shining light in this disgrace of a government. Bishop has done well. Morrison stopped the boats. You only subscribe to "the disgrace of the government" mantra if you swallow all the left media spin and bullshit that is flung around, as it in their interests to sell this narrative, doenst make it objective truth. Bishop hasn't been anywhere near as good as the media is giving her credit for. In a well performing government she would be barely be mentioned. Add the fact that she's more personable than most of them she's perfect "leadership challenge" media troll material. Personally think Morrison's been abhorrent but he's done what he said he's going to do so I'll give you that one. Whether the boats have been stopped or not is another thing. Pretty much every minister in this government has performed terribly. I don't expect you to see it but the fact that they're so far behind in the polls despite getting a dream run from the (majority right-wing) media is telling.
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The majority right wing media basically gets balanced out by the left leaning nature of social media tbf though.
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damonzzzz wrote:The majority right wing media basically gets balanced out by the left leaning nature of social media tbf though. They hit different demographics but it's a fair call.
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mcjules wrote:damonzzzz wrote:The majority right wing media basically gets balanced out by the left leaning nature of social media tbf though. They hit different demographics but it's a fair call. Agree . Sadly the right have gotten their way and the ABC will get funding cuts. Hell I can count how many times bolta wrote about the ABC in his columns weekly
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paulbagzFC wrote: -PB =d>
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Stop the BS, Quentin Dempster tells Malcolm Turnbull DateNovember 22, 2014 - 7:48PM Tim Barlass Several hundred people filled Town Hall Square on Saturday to protest at the $254 million cuts and a forecast 400 job losses at the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, with prominent journalist Quentin Dempster describing Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull as "a bullshitter". They chanted "No ifs, No buts. No ABC Cuts" and waved banners reminding Prime Minister Tony Abbott of his election-eve pledge of no cuts to the ABC or SBS. Michael Tull, National President of the Community and Public Sector Union, said the purpose of the rally, which heads to Melbourne on Sunday and Canberra on Monday, was to make the promise stick. Presenter and ABC journalist Quentin Dempster said Dateline had been gutted of its reporting strength and was reportedly to be made "lighter". "To make it lighter in an age of geopolitical tensions, terror, corruption and inhumanity is laughable," he said. Increasing advertising from five to ten minutes an hour on SBS would further dislocate audience loyalty and was a destructive dynamic that could only erode taxpayer support for SBS over time, he said. In an age of fear and terror Australia needed SBS as a countermeasure, he said, emphasising its importance for: "Delivering a sense of inclusion through multilingual services to our rapidly increasing migrant population including this country's 600,000 Muslims." He went on: "Tony Abbott said unequivocally and unconditionally 'No cuts to the ABC or SBS'." He described Malcolm Turnbull as "a bullshitter" because of statements he had made defending Tony Abbott's election comments that there would be no cuts to the ABC. Mr Turnbull told Fairfax Media in response: "ABC journalists who work hard every day to report the news objectively and without partisan bias or self-interest will feel very let down by Quentin Dempster." Tanya Plibersek, federal member for Sydney, said she had grown up with Play School and Doctor Who before moving on to Countdown and later becoming 'more sensible' watching Gardening Australia, Lateline and Foreign Correspondent. She stressed the importance of children's programs "so that Australian kids can grow up with Australian accents". "The government knows that this is wrong. Tony Abbott knows this is wrong otherwise he would not have promised there would be no cuts. A broken promise is a broken promise and a lie is a lie," she said. Greens Senator Scott Ludlam captured the mood of the crowd when he warned of the dangers of messing with the ABC. "We are going to relegate these people to an historic footnote. When you open up the book in the future and you find that little footnote at the bottom of the page it's going to read like a warning to all future governments. "Don't mess with Aunty." Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/stop-the-bs-quentin-dempster-tells-malcolm-turnbull-20141122-11rxkn.html#ixzz3JneK7ddr
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rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:I suppose it was all a major coincidence then that Abbott sealed three FTAs in a year, with a forth on the cards. Just lucky I spose. Good timing I guess. Right place at the time. Andrew Robb has been pretty much the only shining light in this disgrace of a government. Bishop has done well. Morrison stopped the boats. You only subscribe to "the disgrace of the government" mantra if you swallow all the left media spin and bullshit that is flung around, as it in their interests to sell this narrative, doenst make it objective truth. have to agree......Bishop is doing an excellent job.....many of the ministers are....the thing that undoes it is Abbott.......who i believe domestically is very average but doing well on the international front...
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notorganic wrote:I think she's dumb as dogshit, but has that bulldog bogan pigheadedness that Palmer should have known that he wouldn't be able to control. have to agree with this a s well
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paulbagzFC wrote:rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:I suppose it was all a major coincidence then that Abbott sealed three FTAs in a year, with a forth on the cards. Just lucky I spose. Good timing I guess. Right place at the time. Andrew Robb has been pretty much the only shining light in this disgrace of a government. Bishop has done well. Morrison stopped the boats. You only subscribe to "the disgrace of the government" mantra if you swallow all the left media spin and bullshit that is flung around, as it in their interests to sell this narrative, doenst make it objective truth. Morrison stopped reporting on the boats :lol: -PB you have to admit that the boats have stopped...... do you get that by restricting reporting the smugglers do not get a higher percentage of people knowing and wanting to use their service???? free advertising as such???
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mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:I suppose it was all a major coincidence then that Abbott sealed three FTAs in a year, with a forth on the cards. Just lucky I spose. Good timing I guess. Right place at the time. Andrew Robb has been pretty much the only shining light in this disgrace of a government. Bishop has done well. Morrison stopped the boats. You only subscribe to "the disgrace of the government" mantra if you swallow all the left media spin and bullshit that is flung around, as it in their interests to sell this narrative, doenst make it objective truth. Bishop hasn't been anywhere near as good as the media is giving her credit for. In a well performing government she would be barely be mentioned. Add the fact that she's more personable than most of them she's perfect "leadership challenge" media troll material. Personally think Morrison's been abhorrent but he's done what he said he's going to do so I'll give you that one. Whether the boats have been stopped or not is another thing. Pretty much every minister in this government has performed terribly. I don't expect you to see it but the fact that they're so far behind in the polls despite getting a dream run from the (majority right-wing) media is telling. the thing here is you go to the polls as a measure of performance,,,,,and troll on with comments like majority right wing media.......my god talk about unhinged and unbalanced.......surely you are trolling???
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:mcjules wrote:damonzzzz wrote:The majority right wing media basically gets balanced out by the left leaning nature of social media tbf though. They hit different demographics but it's a fair call. Agree . Sadly the right have gotten their way and the ABC will get funding cuts. Hell I can count how many times bolta wrote about the ABC in his columns weekly nothing wrong with the funding cuts, given the huge expansion and revenue increases afford to it by Gillard, the ABC in recent years has cost the taxpayer up to and over $1024 million a year, so we should just keep pouring $$$$$$ into the ABC????? when will enough be enough, 2 billion 3 billion????](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
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batfink wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:I suppose it was all a major coincidence then that Abbott sealed three FTAs in a year, with a forth on the cards. Just lucky I spose. Good timing I guess. Right place at the time. Andrew Robb has been pretty much the only shining light in this disgrace of a government. Bishop has done well. Morrison stopped the boats. You only subscribe to "the disgrace of the government" mantra if you swallow all the left media spin and bullshit that is flung around, as it in their interests to sell this narrative, doenst make it objective truth. Bishop hasn't been anywhere near as good as the media is giving her credit for. In a well performing government she would be barely be mentioned. Add the fact that she's more personable than most of them she's perfect "leadership challenge" media troll material. Personally think Morrison's been abhorrent but he's done what he said he's going to do so I'll give you that one. Whether the boats have been stopped or not is another thing. Pretty much every minister in this government has performed terribly. I don't expect you to see it but the fact that they're so far behind in the polls despite getting a dream run from the (majority right-wing) media is telling. the thing here is you go to the polls as a measure of performance,,,,,and troll on with comments like majority right wing media.......my god talk about unhinged and unbalanced....... surely you are trolling??? I did throw the majority right-wing in there just for you (and rusty), well spotted. =d> I agree that polls aren't the be all and end all, the Gillard government was productive and passed a lot of excellent reforms but still struggled in the polls. They didn't have the msm on side like this government does though. They're just an indicator. The types of policies this government has introduced and the number of high profile (albeit shit) ones that are struggling to be passed is another.
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mcjules wrote:batfink wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:I suppose it was all a major coincidence then that Abbott sealed three FTAs in a year, with a forth on the cards. Just lucky I spose. Good timing I guess. Right place at the time. Andrew Robb has been pretty much the only shining light in this disgrace of a government. Bishop has done well. Morrison stopped the boats. You only subscribe to "the disgrace of the government" mantra if you swallow all the left media spin and bullshit that is flung around, as it in their interests to sell this narrative, doenst make it objective truth. Bishop hasn't been anywhere near as good as the media is giving her credit for. In a well performing government she would be barely be mentioned. Add the fact that she's more personable than most of them she's perfect "leadership challenge" media troll material. Personally think Morrison's been abhorrent but he's done what he said he's going to do so I'll give you that one. Whether the boats have been stopped or not is another thing. Pretty much every minister in this government has performed terribly. I don't expect you to see it but the fact that they're so far behind in the polls despite getting a dream run from the (majority right-wing) media is telling. the thing here is you go to the polls as a measure of performance,,,,,and troll on with comments like majority right wing media.......my god talk about unhinged and unbalanced....... surely you are trolling??? I did throw the majority right-wing in there just for you (and rusty), well spotted. =d> I agree that polls aren't the be all and end all, the Gillard government was productive and passed a lot of excellent reforms but still struggled in the polls. They didn't have the msm on side like this government does though. They're just an indicator. The types of policies this government has introduced and the number of high profile (albeit shit) ones that are struggling to be passed is another. the policies are struggling to pass is due to Labor blocking everything even their own previous policies and plans. but Labor sabotage is a standard practice
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mcjules wrote:batfink wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:I suppose it was all a major coincidence then that Abbott sealed three FTAs in a year, with a forth on the cards. Just lucky I spose. Good timing I guess. Right place at the time. Andrew Robb has been pretty much the only shining light in this disgrace of a government. Bishop has done well. Morrison stopped the boats. You only subscribe to "the disgrace of the government" mantra if you swallow all the left media spin and bullshit that is flung around, as it in their interests to sell this narrative, doenst make it objective truth. Bishop hasn't been anywhere near as good as the media is giving her credit for. In a well performing government she would be barely be mentioned. Add the fact that she's more personable than most of them she's perfect "leadership challenge" media troll material. Personally think Morrison's been abhorrent but he's done what he said he's going to do so I'll give you that one. Whether the boats have been stopped or not is another thing. Pretty much every minister in this government has performed terribly. I don't expect you to see it but the fact that they're so far behind in the polls despite getting a dream run from the (majority right-wing) media is telling. the thing here is you go to the polls as a measure of performance,,,,,and troll on with comments like majority right wing media.......my god talk about unhinged and unbalanced....... surely you are trolling??? I did throw the majority right-wing in there just for you (and rusty), well spotted. =d> I agree that polls aren't the be all and end all, the Gillard government was productive and passed a lot of excellent reforms but still struggled in the polls. They didn't have the msm on side like this government does though. They're just an indicator. The types of policies this government has introduced and the number of high profile (albeit shit) ones that are struggling to be passed is another. i also note you have deflected from the enormous cost of funding an every increasing ABC, a Billion dollars a year...!!!!!
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the thing here is you go to the polls as a measure of performance,,,,,and troll on with comments like majority right wing media.......my god talk about unhinged and unbalanced.......surely you are trolling???[/quote]
I did throw the majority right-wing in there just for you (and rusty), well spotted. =d> I agree that polls aren't the be all and end all but i will still quote it to peddle my trolling shit, the Gillard government was productive and passed a lot of excellent reformsunfunded ideological unsustainable debt crippling but still struggled in the polls. They didn't have the msm on side like this government does thoughyour dreaming again. They're just an indicator but good enough to prop up an argument??lol. The types of policies this government has introduced and the number of high profile (albeit shit) ones that are struggling to be passed is another.[/quote] with a projected dept figure of some 660billion when elected its hard for any reasonable minded person to defend the previous government
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Are you a liberal spoke person finky ??
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Are you a liberal spoke person finky ?? nope just sick of you cuntz licking ALP ballbags....and defending the worst Labor government for decades
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Yet this lib government is one of the worse of the libs yet you ignore it . Hmm
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batfink wrote:mcjules wrote:batfink wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:I suppose it was all a major coincidence then that Abbott sealed three FTAs in a year, with a forth on the cards. Just lucky I spose. Good timing I guess. Right place at the time. Andrew Robb has been pretty much the only shining light in this disgrace of a government. Bishop has done well. Morrison stopped the boats. You only subscribe to "the disgrace of the government" mantra if you swallow all the left media spin and bullshit that is flung around, as it in their interests to sell this narrative, doenst make it objective truth. Bishop hasn't been anywhere near as good as the media is giving her credit for. In a well performing government she would be barely be mentioned. Add the fact that she's more personable than most of them she's perfect "leadership challenge" media troll material. Personally think Morrison's been abhorrent but he's done what he said he's going to do so I'll give you that one. Whether the boats have been stopped or not is another thing. Pretty much every minister in this government has performed terribly. I don't expect you to see it but the fact that they're so far behind in the polls despite getting a dream run from the (majority right-wing) media is telling. the thing here is you go to the polls as a measure of performance,,,,,and troll on with comments like majority right wing media.......my god talk about unhinged and unbalanced....... surely you are trolling??? I did throw the majority right-wing in there just for you (and rusty), well spotted. =d> I agree that polls aren't the be all and end all, the Gillard government was productive and passed a lot of excellent reforms but still struggled in the polls. They didn't have the msm on side like this government does though. They're just an indicator. The types of policies this government has introduced and the number of high profile (albeit shit) ones that are struggling to be passed is another. the policies are struggling to pass is due to Labor blocking everything even their own previous policies and plans. but Labor sabotage is a standard practice It's pretty funny that you're using this when the Liberals did it far worse last term. I haven't seen them or the greens vote against anything that's inline with their parties' policies. Can't say the same about Abbott and Co in opposition.
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batfink wrote:mcjules wrote:batfink wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:I suppose it was all a major coincidence then that Abbott sealed three FTAs in a year, with a forth on the cards. Just lucky I spose. Good timing I guess. Right place at the time. Andrew Robb has been pretty much the only shining light in this disgrace of a government. Bishop has done well. Morrison stopped the boats. You only subscribe to "the disgrace of the government" mantra if you swallow all the left media spin and bullshit that is flung around, as it in their interests to sell this narrative, doenst make it objective truth. Bishop hasn't been anywhere near as good as the media is giving her credit for. In a well performing government she would be barely be mentioned. Add the fact that she's more personable than most of them she's perfect "leadership challenge" media troll material. Personally think Morrison's been abhorrent but he's done what he said he's going to do so I'll give you that one. Whether the boats have been stopped or not is another thing. Pretty much every minister in this government has performed terribly. I don't expect you to see it but the fact that they're so far behind in the polls despite getting a dream run from the (majority right-wing) media is telling. the thing here is you go to the polls as a measure of performance,,,,,and troll on with comments like majority right wing media.......my god talk about unhinged and unbalanced....... surely you are trolling??? I did throw the majority right-wing in there just for you (and rusty), well spotted. =d> I agree that polls aren't the be all and end all, the Gillard government was productive and passed a lot of excellent reforms but still struggled in the polls. They didn't have the msm on side like this government does though. They're just an indicator. The types of policies this government has introduced and the number of high profile (albeit shit) ones that are struggling to be passed is another. i also note you have deflected from the enormous cost of funding an every increasing ABC, a Billion dollars a year...!!!!! Throwing a number out there like a billion dollars is meaningless. You sound like this guy:  I haven't responded to that as I would like to do some reading first, unlike some people I like to have some background info before giving an opinion.
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