Till the next generation of politicians comes through.

-PB

I'm surprised. I was pretty sure that the motion would get up after Sino put his weight behind it.

Tonez staying as long as possible is great for Shorten.

Tones is a dead man walking. another spill will be called again

Thought 61-39 was a pretty resounding victory. Even if they called more spills it would be hard to see Turnbull getting up given he's more loved by Labor than LNP supporters.

I don't think the result is merely "buying time" it's an opportunity for the Abbott government to turn things around. A new budget with a fresh message can do wonders for a governments fortunes.

The RIGHTFUL OWNER holds the throne



Any opposers I will have their heads!

Considering he has 41 in his ministry that are compelled by convention to vote for him, 60 percent of his backbench voted against him. He's a dead man walking. He may only be pardoned by the fact that there were so many stubborn hard right loons elected last election.

Do you really think that MT voted for TA? :lol:

Yep. Too risky not to.

There are only three ways this will turn around.

1) The Liberal party get dirt on Labor and/or Bill Shorten and he is forced to resign. Then the liberals will have a point to attack.

2) A major terrorist attack or natural disaster occurs (god forbid of course) and Abbott handles it well and shows leadership. People galvanise behind leaders during tough times.

3) Another spill occurs six months out from an election and Turnbull, who has good support from the public, is named leader. For that, the Liberals will finally have to jettison they're awful right wing Christian fantasy and start being a little bit more "Liberal" again.

Were Labor cabinet they respecting the Westminster convention when they knifed Rudd/Gillard? Cabinet, ministers, backbench, they will vote in their self-interests, even if it means pissing all over conventions.

Their rape allegations fell away so I doubt they've got anything worse in the locker.

Wasn't MT's approval rating in opposition about 43% before he get moved on? MT is popular among the left for his stance on gay marriage and the environment, but he is deeply unpopular among traditional LNP voters where TA is preferred. If MT gets the gig it won't be because of his policies it will be because the government sitting members think they will have a better chance of retaining their seats, even if it means losing government.

I think MT would be a disaster as PM, even though I quite like him. And why would the left support him anyway after he 'wrecked " the NBN?

"The left" aren't voting for any LNP candidate. Putting MT would be to appeal to moderates. There would have to be such a dramatic change for it to be meaningful that I can't see it happening.

Mcjules gets it.

But thats the point though. If it stays the way it is then the Liberals will lose many seats, but as you said the back benches will eventually look to someone who is popular with the public as it might help them retain their seats.

At the moment, Abbott has only 25% support as liberal leader vs 64% for Turnbull. Even Labor came crawling back to Rudd to try to save them from defeat. I could see something similar happening.

Actually, I think the Liberals might win the next election if Abbott resigns and Bishop takes over as Prime minister. She hasn't put a foot wrong and is quite popular with the public and with her own party, but she won't challenge Tony directly for fear of losing her position in the cabinet. Tony would have to bite the bullet.

"BUT BUT WE ARE NOT THE LABOR PARTY"

Go to the very first post of this thread for some lol's.

Foreign Minister is a bit of a different gig from PM. She's handled her job but can you see her staring down the electorate telling them she is going to cut incomes, enforce copayments etc? She's been practically silent on these issues of debt, deficit and cuts as soon as she makes utterances about these things her glow will fade and she will be described as another nasty poor person hating lib.

She failed as shadow treasurer, although probably hasn't failed as badly as Hockey has.

I heard an interesting interview with the director of an organisation called Taxpayers Alliance.

Reddit is good for the lulz, Hansard never forgets.

She hasn't been anywhere near an international embarrassment as Tony has so she has that going for her.

-PB

The international community would be lucky to know who our PM even is. It's not like the world looks to Australia for guidance on issues like the economy, environment, although the left seems to worry deeply about how the rest of the world perceives us and exaggerates our influence in global affairs. Such as when China hinted it might start taxing carbon many on the left jizzed themselves thinking China was looking directly to Australia for ideas on environmentally sustainable policy.

:roll:

Well, not anymore.

Yep that's it.

Also worth pointing out many politicians have looked good in the Foreign Minister's role, you get to swan around and act "statesman-like". A lot of what they do is irrelevant in the eyes of the majority of voters. Rusty and I agree on something :lol:

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Is it really worth destroying jobs, businesses, investment, hampering exports, increasing the cost of living by introducing policies doing nothing for the environment just so we can boast about our environmental credentials?

Strawman.

That has to be one of your best deflections :lol:

-PB

rusty like Abbott seems to believe we're still in the 1950s :lol:

Australia gets a lot of coverage on international news in the Asia Pacific region. We can thank a great man for his vision and work that has allowed us to have such relevance.

Al Jazeera and BBC world service both running spill motion news at length this week.