The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese


The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese

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Condemned666 wrote:
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Check out pirateparty.org.au.

Innovations in the distribution of media has always helped the entertainment industry rather than stifling it. From the gramophone to the radio to VCR and DVD.



So, with that in mind, whats next in the innovation of entertainment consumption?

Injecting entertainment as a serum into our brain as a stimulant? :lol:

For Australia, the next big step forward is on-demand HD streaming.

Netflix Australia launches this month, Stan has been trying hard to cut into that market.

Combating piracy is a simple and proven process. Give people content in the form that they want it when they want it for a reasonable price and they will pay for it.
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notorganic wrote:
Condemned666 wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Check out pirateparty.org.au.

Innovations in the distribution of media has always helped the entertainment industry rather than stifling it. From the gramophone to the radio to VCR and DVD.



So, with that in mind, whats next in the innovation of entertainment consumption?

Injecting entertainment as a serum into our brain as a stimulant? :lol:

For Australia, the next big step forward is on-demand HD streaming.

Netflix Australia launches this month, Stan has been trying hard to cut into that market.

Combating piracy is a simple and proven process. Give people content in the form that they want it when they want it for a reasonable price and they will pay for it.


It's all horseshit. Why pay for something when you can get it for free? People trying to shift blame onto content providers are just trying to weasel their way out paying and make up pathetic excuses so they don't have to feel bad about it. Even in countries like the US where content is cheap and accessible they are still major market for piracy because it's dictated by the simple market force that something that is free is perceived as having more value than that which is purchased. The claim that people will simply open their for content providers once the "price is right" is a fallacy, unless the price is zero.



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rusty wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
rusty wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Check out pirateparty.org.au.

Innovations in the distribution of media has always helped the entertainment industry rather than stifling it. From the gramophone to the radio to VCR and DVD.

The industry leaders who embrace internet piracy will be the winners in the long run.


Is that how people justify their theft? :lol:

You steal songs when you listen to them on the radio


Is that how people rationalise their wrongdoing? :lol:

A lot of people download illegal content, just admit it's not ethical or legal but you're gonna do it anyway don't contrive some sad bullshit excuse just so you can help yourself to others intellectual property you stole without having to upset your conscience (or your wallet).



Edited by rusty: 19/3/2015 11:07:59 AM

I don't download content illegally. The film studio who embraces this new form of media distribution will win in the long run. That's what history shows.
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notorganic wrote:
Condemned666 wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Check out pirateparty.org.au.

Innovations in the distribution of media has always helped the entertainment industry rather than stifling it. From the gramophone to the radio to VCR and DVD.



So, with that in mind, whats next in the innovation of entertainment consumption?

Injecting entertainment as a serum into our brain as a stimulant? :lol:

For Australia, the next big step forward is on-demand HD streaming.

Netflix Australia launches this month, Stan has been trying hard to cut into that market.

Combating piracy is a simple and proven process. Give people content in the form that they want it when they want it for a reasonable price and they will pay for it.

They key part you were missing too is to make it more convenient than pirating. Pirating isn't really free now if you want to protect yourself so there's the in for services like Netflix.

Another aspect is unfortunately our current (and now future) broadband infrastructure is so poor that for many downloading and watching offline will be more convenient.

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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u4486662 wrote:
rusty wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
rusty wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Check out pirateparty.org.au.

Innovations in the distribution of media has always helped the entertainment industry rather than stifling it. From the gramophone to the radio to VCR and DVD.

The industry leaders who embrace internet piracy will be the winners in the long run.


Is that how people justify their theft? :lol:

You steal songs when you listen to them on the radio


Is that how people rationalise their wrongdoing? :lol:

A lot of people download illegal content, just admit it's not ethical or legal but you're gonna do it anyway don't contrive some sad bullshit excuse just so you can help yourself to others intellectual property you stole without having to upset your conscience (or your wallet).



Edited by rusty: 19/3/2015 11:07:59 AM

I don't download content illegally. The film studio who embraces this new form of media distribution will win in the long run. That's what history shows.


Oh really? Where does history show that film studios who give away their intellectual property for free end up winners?

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rusty wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
rusty wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
rusty wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Check out pirateparty.org.au.

Innovations in the distribution of media has always helped the entertainment industry rather than stifling it. From the gramophone to the radio to VCR and DVD.

The industry leaders who embrace internet piracy will be the winners in the long run.


Is that how people justify their theft? :lol:

You steal songs when you listen to them on the radio


Is that how people rationalise their wrongdoing? :lol:

A lot of people download illegal content, just admit it's not ethical or legal but you're gonna do it anyway don't contrive some sad bullshit excuse just so you can help yourself to others intellectual property you stole without having to upset your conscience (or your wallet).



Edited by rusty: 19/3/2015 11:07:59 AM

I don't download content illegally. The film studio who embraces this new form of media distribution will win in the long run. That's what history shows.


Oh really? Where does history show that film studios who give away their intellectual property for free end up winners?


You steal songs when you listen to them on the Radio????
The artists get payments for every spin of there song.
Exposure on radio can drive music sales.


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rusty wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
rusty wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
rusty wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Check out pirateparty.org.au.

Innovations in the distribution of media has always helped the entertainment industry rather than stifling it. From the gramophone to the radio to VCR and DVD.

The industry leaders who embrace internet piracy will be the winners in the long run.


Is that how people justify their theft? :lol:

You steal songs when you listen to them on the radio


Is that how people rationalise their wrongdoing? :lol:

A lot of people download illegal content, just admit it's not ethical or legal but you're gonna do it anyway don't contrive some sad bullshit excuse just so you can help yourself to others intellectual property you stole without having to upset your conscience (or your wallet).



Edited by rusty: 19/3/2015 11:07:59 AM

I don't download content illegally. The film studio who embraces this new form of media distribution will win in the long run. That's what history shows.


Oh really? Where does history show that film studios who give away their intellectual property for free end up winners?

People were worried when radio first began that no-one would go and pay to see musicians anymore. Same with when records and gramophones first came out. But musicians use the exposure to increase their brand and end up reaching a bigger audience and making more money.

People were worried when television first came out for the same reasons. Also, video killed the radio star, remember?

I actually prefer going to the cinema to see a film as I prefer the whole vibe, popcorn, big screen etc. Despite big budgets, films still gross extraordinary amounts and their salaries are astronomically high. Films are still grossing more than what they used to. Whoever embraces this new form of distribution will win. They will get more exposure and they will eventually make more money.
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Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:
rusty wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
rusty wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
rusty wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Check out pirateparty.org.au.

Innovations in the distribution of media has always helped the entertainment industry rather than stifling it. From the gramophone to the radio to VCR and DVD.

The industry leaders who embrace internet piracy will be the winners in the long run.


Is that how people justify their theft? :lol:

You steal songs when you listen to them on the radio


Is that how people rationalise their wrongdoing? :lol:

A lot of people download illegal content, just admit it's not ethical or legal but you're gonna do it anyway don't contrive some sad bullshit excuse just so you can help yourself to others intellectual property you stole without having to upset your conscience (or your wallet).



Edited by rusty: 19/3/2015 11:07:59 AM

I don't download content illegally. The film studio who embraces this new form of media distribution will win in the long run. That's what history shows.


Oh really? Where does history show that film studios who give away their intellectual property for free end up winners?


You steal songs when you listen to them on the Radio????
The artists get payments for every spin of there song.
Exposure on radio can drive music sales.


Exactly, then embrace a system like that.

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mcjules wrote:
notorganic wrote:
Condemned666 wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Check out pirateparty.org.au.

Innovations in the distribution of media has always helped the entertainment industry rather than stifling it. From the gramophone to the radio to VCR and DVD.



So, with that in mind, whats next in the innovation of entertainment consumption?

Injecting entertainment as a serum into our brain as a stimulant? :lol:

For Australia, the next big step forward is on-demand HD streaming.

Netflix Australia launches this month, Stan has been trying hard to cut into that market.

Combating piracy is a simple and proven process. Give people content in the form that they want it when they want it for a reasonable price and they will pay for it.

They key part you were missing too is to make it more convenient than pirating. Pirating isn't really free now if you want to protect yourself so there's the in for services like Netflix.

Another aspect is unfortunately our current (and now future) broadband infrastructure is so poor that for many downloading and watching offline will be more convenient.

I don't think that excuse flies anymore.

Admittedly, I have a faster downstream than the vast majority of the country now with my 112mbps cable connection, but I was also able to stream Netflix/Hull etc without a problem when I was running ADSL1 out in the sticks. The difference my new connection makes is being able to download huge files on the Mac, play online games with low pings, have the kid watch Netflix on the Xbox and the wife watching youtube on her phone all at the same time.

Current broadband structure serves ok for single operations, but not for whole house complex networking.
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notorganic wrote:
Give people content in the form that they want it when they want it for a reasonable price and they will pay for it.


Not in this irreality!
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Glenn - A-league Mad wrote:


You steal songs when you listen to them on the Radio????
The artists get payments for every spin of there song.
Exposure on radio can drive music sales.



No, you don't steal songs when you listen to the radio, because the artist is giving you permission to listen to their music before deciding whether to purchase their record. They get payment when you buy their record, which commercially justifies them allowing you to sample their product at the discretion of the radio station. With internet downloads there is no permission, there is no commercial dividend from advertisers or record sales, it is pure theft. All this hokum about increased exposure, blah blah are just terrible excuses people use to rationalise wrongdoing so they don't have to feel bad about it.

It's sad that people conflate tuning into the radio with downloading illegal copies of music. The shameful lengths people go to to justify their immorality/ :cry:

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Condemned666 wrote:
notorganic wrote:
Give people content in the form that they want it when they want it for a reasonable price and they will pay for it.


Not in this irreality!


The thing is people will constantly revise their "reasonable price" expectations downwards until the price is close to zero.
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Smartphone surveillance laws passed.

Orwell state here we come.

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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rusty wrote:
Condemned666 wrote:
notorganic wrote:
Give people content in the form that they want it when they want it for a reasonable price and they will pay for it.


Not in this irreality!


The thing is people will constantly revise their "reasonable price" expectations downwards until the price is close to zero.


Seemed to have worked well for music artists and the digital revolution.

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notorganic wrote:
mcjules wrote:
notorganic wrote:
Condemned666 wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Check out pirateparty.org.au.

Innovations in the distribution of media has always helped the entertainment industry rather than stifling it. From the gramophone to the radio to VCR and DVD.



So, with that in mind, whats next in the innovation of entertainment consumption?

Injecting entertainment as a serum into our brain as a stimulant? :lol:

For Australia, the next big step forward is on-demand HD streaming.

Netflix Australia launches this month, Stan has been trying hard to cut into that market.

Combating piracy is a simple and proven process. Give people content in the form that they want it when they want it for a reasonable price and they will pay for it.

They key part you were missing too is to make it more convenient than pirating. Pirating isn't really free now if you want to protect yourself so there's the in for services like Netflix.

Another aspect is unfortunately our current (and now future) broadband infrastructure is so poor that for many downloading and watching offline will be more convenient.

I don't think that excuse flies anymore.

Admittedly, I have a faster downstream than the vast majority of the country now with my 112mbps cable connection, but I was also able to stream Netflix/Hull etc without a problem when I was running ADSL1 out in the sticks. The difference my new connection makes is being able to download huge files on the Mac, play online games with low pings, have the kid watch Netflix on the Xbox and the wife watching youtube on her phone all at the same time.

Current broadband structure serves ok for single operations, but not for whole house complex networking.

The excuse flies exactly for the reason you said. Not everyone has or will have 100Mbps on the fraudband NBN. There's little wonder why Rupert was so against the proper NBN.

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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paulbagzFC wrote:
Smartphone surveillance laws passed.

Orwell state here we come.

-PB
Opposition didn't attend debate at fucking all.

Goodbye last chance of me voting for them any time soon.
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mcjules wrote:
notorganic wrote:
mcjules wrote:
notorganic wrote:
Condemned666 wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Check out pirateparty.org.au.

Innovations in the distribution of media has always helped the entertainment industry rather than stifling it. From the gramophone to the radio to VCR and DVD.



So, with that in mind, whats next in the innovation of entertainment consumption?

Injecting entertainment as a serum into our brain as a stimulant? :lol:

For Australia, the next big step forward is on-demand HD streaming.

Netflix Australia launches this month, Stan has been trying hard to cut into that market.

Combating piracy is a simple and proven process. Give people content in the form that they want it when they want it for a reasonable price and they will pay for it.

They key part you were missing too is to make it more convenient than pirating. Pirating isn't really free now if you want to protect yourself so there's the in for services like Netflix.

Another aspect is unfortunately our current (and now future) broadband infrastructure is so poor that for many downloading and watching offline will be more convenient.

I don't think that excuse flies anymore.

Admittedly, I have a faster downstream than the vast majority of the country now with my 112mbps cable connection, but I was also able to stream Netflix/Hull etc without a problem when I was running ADSL1 out in the sticks. The difference my new connection makes is being able to download huge files on the Mac, play online games with low pings, have the kid watch Netflix on the Xbox and the wife watching youtube on her phone all at the same time.

Current broadband structure serves ok for single operations, but not for whole house complex networking.

The excuse flies exactly for the reason you said. Not everyone has or will have 100Mbps on the fraudband NBN. There's little wonder why Rupert was so against the proper NBN.

The point I was making, probably not clearly enough, is that at a minimum standard most connections in the country are able to stream content but until very recently it hasn't been available for a reasonable price.

The reason that people pirate game of thrones is so prevalent is that in Australia it's only available legitimately if you pay at least $50/mo for foxtel, and even then it's not on-demand.

I believe that HBO in the US are about to launch a standalone subscription for HBO Go where previously it's been available only as an extra to a cable service. Paying $10-$15/mo for full access to the HBO library on-demand would be something that I would be very interested in. Will be interesting to see if that hast any effect on the deal in Australia, but I doubt it will. Fox will continue to sook about GoT piracy while Netflix take a huge market share with House of Cards, Orange is the new black, etc.
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Copyright infringement doesn't equal theft btw.

As far as I'm concerned, I pay a high price for Foxtel, so I feel perfectly moral downloading anything I want in regards to television shows.
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macktheknife wrote:
Copyright infringement doesn't equal theft btw.

As far as I'm concerned, I pay a high price for Foxtel, so I feel perfectly moral downloading anything I want in regards to television shows.


I pay for all the stuff I buy from Coles, so I feel perfectly moral stealing anything I want from Woolworths.

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biscuitman1871 wrote:
macktheknife wrote:
Copyright infringement doesn't equal theft btw.

As far as I'm concerned, I pay a high price for Foxtel, so I feel perfectly moral downloading anything I want in regards to television shows.


I pay for all the stuff I buy from Coles, so I feel perfectly moral stealing anything I want from Woolworths.


YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A DELI CHICKEN.
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notorganic wrote:
biscuitman1871 wrote:
macktheknife wrote:
Copyright infringement doesn't equal theft btw.

As far as I'm concerned, I pay a high price for Foxtel, so I feel perfectly moral downloading anything I want in regards to television shows.


I pay for all the stuff I buy from Coles, so I feel perfectly moral stealing anything I want from Woolworths.


YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A DELI CHICKEN.


I would the next morning, especially if it was accompanied by a few bevvies.

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notorganic wrote:
mcjules wrote:
notorganic wrote:
Condemned666 wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Check out pirateparty.org.au.

Innovations in the distribution of media has always helped the entertainment industry rather than stifling it. From the gramophone to the radio to VCR and DVD.



So, with that in mind, whats next in the innovation of entertainment consumption?

Injecting entertainment as a serum into our brain as a stimulant? :lol:

For Australia, the next big step forward is on-demand HD streaming.

Netflix Australia launches this month, Stan has been trying hard to cut into that market.

Combating piracy is a simple and proven process. Give people content in the form that they want it when they want it for a reasonable price and they will pay for it.

They key part you were missing too is to make it more convenient than pirating. Pirating isn't really free now if you want to protect yourself so there's the in for services like Netflix.

Another aspect is unfortunately our current (and now future) broadband infrastructure is so poor that for many downloading and watching offline will be more convenient.

I don't think that excuse flies anymore.

Admittedly, I have a faster downstream than the vast majority of the country now with my 112mbps cable connection, but I was also able to stream Netflix/Hull etc without a problem when I was running ADSL1 out in the sticks. The difference my new connection makes is being able to download huge files on the Mac, play online games with low pings, have the kid watch Netflix on the Xbox and the wife watching youtube on her phone all at the same time.

Current broadband structure serves ok for single operations, but not for whole house complex networking.


Hopefully we can see an increase in cable upload speeds (2.4mbps is a joke from Telstra) in the near future from the government, since they purchased the HFC network from Telstra. Still not as good as FTTP though....
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Yep.

Shame on the government for holding me back from my true calling, a twitch.tv career.
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notorganic wrote:
Yep.

Shame on the government for holding me back from my true calling, a twitch.tv career.



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macktheknife wrote:
Copyright infringement doesn't equal theft btw.

As far as I'm concerned, I pay a high price for Foxtel, so I feel perfectly moral downloading anything I want in regards to television shows.


True that. I pay a high price for Apples at Woolworths so l feel perfectly moral stealing oranges and anything I want
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rusty wrote:
macktheknife wrote:
Copyright infringement doesn't equal theft btw.

As far as I'm concerned, I pay a high price for Foxtel, so I feel perfectly moral downloading anything I want in regards to television shows.


True that. I pay a high price for Apples at Woolworths so l feel perfectly moral stealing oranges and anything I want

yep confirmed your a grade a troll. Actually make that a c+ you can join your mate tony at Oxford
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I think the best evidence of trolling here is the idea that stealing is Ok as long you're giving your money to Rupert
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Griffindinho wrote:
notorganic wrote:
mcjules wrote:
notorganic wrote:
Condemned666 wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
Check out pirateparty.org.au.

Innovations in the distribution of media has always helped the entertainment industry rather than stifling it. From the gramophone to the radio to VCR and DVD.



So, with that in mind, whats next in the innovation of entertainment consumption?

Injecting entertainment as a serum into our brain as a stimulant? :lol:

For Australia, the next big step forward is on-demand HD streaming.

Netflix Australia launches this month, Stan has been trying hard to cut into that market.

Combating piracy is a simple and proven process. Give people content in the form that they want it when they want it for a reasonable price and they will pay for it.

They key part you were missing too is to make it more convenient than pirating. Pirating isn't really free now if you want to protect yourself so there's the in for services like Netflix.

Another aspect is unfortunately our current (and now future) broadband infrastructure is so poor that for many downloading and watching offline will be more convenient.

I don't think that excuse flies anymore.

Admittedly, I have a faster downstream than the vast majority of the country now with my 112mbps cable connection, but I was also able to stream Netflix/Hull etc without a problem when I was running ADSL1 out in the sticks. The difference my new connection makes is being able to download huge files on the Mac, play online games with low pings, have the kid watch Netflix on the Xbox and the wife watching youtube on her phone all at the same time.

Current broadband structure serves ok for single operations, but not for whole house complex networking.


Hopefully we can see an increase in cable upload speeds (2.4mbps is a joke from Telstra) in the near future from the government, since they purchased the HFC network from Telstra. Still not as good as FTTP though....


Who gives a shit whether it's HFC of FTTP? Anything you want to do, uploading or downloading, HFC, FTTP, FTTN will work just fine. And if you're really speed demon and want the extra bandwidth so you can simultaneously download 10 HD porn streams at the same time you can pay thousands out of your own pocket to get FTTP, rather than the taxpayer.
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Tony making Nazi slurs/jokes :lol:

Unhinged Tony without a script is the best Tony :lol:

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Bronwyn went mental haha.

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