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Condemned666 wrote:trident wrote:Right wingers are always inventing new excuses for their inherent bigotry. "Our" way of life and "our western culture" are some of their recent favourites. YOUR WAY OF LIFE is watching Friends, Breaking Bad, the AFL team, supporting the national cricket team, going to gigs The thing is: Theres worst things than being caught up than that. So, go with it! Edited by condemned666: 10/12/2015 05:57:53 PM What are you even talking about? :shock:
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rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:rusty wrote:trident wrote:Right wingers are always inventing new excuses for their inherent bigotry. "Our" way of life and "our western culture" are some of their recent favourites. How the fuck is that bigotry? :lol: ](*,) It's amazing how completely benign statements like "team Australia" and "western culture" are conflated with white supremacist KKK inspired nazi racism yet everyone is aboard the black power, black pride, fuck white people bandwagon. Not you're not even allowed to be white and pride, black privilege I suppose. Who defines what counts as Australian culture? My father emigrated here from Italy in the 1960s and he was certainly regarded as being outside the acceptable mainstream culture at the time. He was Catholic, didn't speak English, and didn't eat the local food much. He wouldn't have been regarded as part of "Team Australia" or "western (at that time defined as british) culture". Yet over time Australia has changed, and Italian culture is well and truly embedded within Australian culture. The issue is not "Team Australia" per se, its the point Abbott was clearly making - YOU (the other), need to be more like US. That is the issue - it goes beyond the obvious point about helping to address issues like radicalisation, to a point which is that if you look a certain way, and speak a certain way, then you are not really Australian, regardless of whether you were born here, or whether you have engaged in any illegal behaviour. What incredulous waffle. At one what point did Abbott, say, or even hint, any of that? Ridiculous, cheesy, absurd allegations. I bet the mentality of joining "team Australia" existed around the time of your daddy, did he react by strapping explosives to himself or did he do what most of the Italian community did and join team Australia? The amount of paranoia and forensic analysis that goes into every utterance made by Tony is hysterical, I've never seen anything like it. Every immigrant to Australia should join our team. In fact it should be mandatory, or you don't come here. Yeah but my team Australia or your team Australia? Somehow I'd say they are different things.
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Trumps recent reprehensible, sickening and repulsive comments are the embodiment of what occurs when right wing nuts are allowed to spew their hate unbridled on a public forum. The UK's moves toward banning him is to be applauded and Australia needs to follow if we consider ourselves a progressive nation.
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trident wrote:Trumps recent reprehensible, sickening and repulsive comments are the embodiment of what occurs when right wing nuts are allowed to spew their hate unbridled on a public forum. The UK's moves toward banning him is to be applauded and Australia needs to follow if we consider ourselves a progressive nation. Can't ban a bloke for being a nut job.
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trident
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imonfourfourtwo wrote:trident wrote:Trumps recent reprehensible, sickening and repulsive comments are the embodiment of what occurs when right wing nuts are allowed to spew their hate unbridled on a public forum. The UK's moves toward banning him is to be applauded and Australia needs to follow if we consider ourselves a progressive nation. Can't ban a bloke for being a nut job. You can. There is precedent. Right wing shock jock Michael Savage has been banned from entering the UK.
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imonfourfourtwo wrote:Yeah but my team Australia or your team Australia? Somehow I'd say they are different things. My team Australia - people who buy into our ethos, values and broader mainstream culture. I suppose I'm a big racist now.
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trident wrote:Trumps recent reprehensible, sickening and repulsive comments are the embodiment of what occurs when right wing nuts are allowed to spew their hate unbridled on a public forum. Possibly it's also the embodiment of what happens when you don't properly and thoroughly screen people coming into the country, and then they embark on a shooting rampage killing innocent people. If there's a rise in one kind of extremism, and it's not effectively dealt with, there's going to be a rise in extremism of a different kind to counter it. Trump may be insane but he is pragmatic, that's for sure.
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So...any of the deficit hawks want to comment on the government again failing on their promise to bring the budget to surplus?
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mcjules wrote:So...any of the deficit hawks want to comment on the government again failing on their promise to bring the budget to surplus? It's Labor's fault
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mcjules wrote:So...any of the deficit hawks want to comment on the government again failing on their promise to bring the budget to surplus? The senate isn't helping. We need a DD to clear out all the deadwood. Australia will continue to backwards with the likes of Lazarus, Lambie and Ricky Muir holding the balance of power. Of course it's easy to kick the government but if you are honest you will admit there's things beyond the governments control stifling their reforms.
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rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:So...any of the deficit hawks want to comment on the government again failing on their promise to bring the budget to surplus? The senate isn't helping. We need a DD to clear out all the deadwood. Australia will continue to backwards with the likes of Lazarus, Lambie and Ricky Muir holding the balance of power. Of course it's easy to kick the government but if you are honest you will admit there's things beyond the governments control stifling their reforms. Funny that the deficit as a result of the global financial crisis wasn't beyond Labor's control...
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Funny that the deficit as a result of the global financial crisis wasn't beyond Labor's control... Might as well blame GFC for the current woes then
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rusty wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Funny that the deficit as a result of the global financial crisis wasn't beyond Labor's control... Might as well blame GFC for the current woes then Depends whether we rely on Joe Hockey's statement in March 2013 that "the budget will be in surplus in the first year of a Liberal government"
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:rusty wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Funny that the deficit as a result of the global financial crisis wasn't beyond Labor's control... Might as well blame GFC for the current woes then Depends whether we rely on Joe Hockey's statement in March 2013 that "the budget will be in surplus in the first year of a Liberal government" Joe's only mistake was to rely on massively fudged Labor figures.
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rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:So...any of the deficit hawks want to comment on the government again failing on their promise to bring the budget to surplus? The senate isn't helping. We need a DD to clear out all the deadwood. Australia will continue to backwards with the likes of Lazarus, Lambie and Ricky Muir holding the balance of power. Of course it's easy to kick the government but if you are honest you will admit there's things beyond the governments control stifling their reforms. They went to the polls promising budget surpluses without austerity. Give me one example of a policy they campaigned on that was blocked in the senate by those 3? My stance on deficits is that it's stupid to focus on them, we have ridiculous levels of private debt in this country and that is directly due to the government holding surpluses. That's putting aside the fact that revenues are down due to global factors outside of Australia's control. However... they campaigned on this ridiculous notion and they haven't delivered. Liberal governments have never been good economic managers and they deserve to be crucified(metaphorically of course AFP :lol:) for it
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rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:So...any of the deficit hawks want to comment on the government again failing on their promise to bring the budget to surplus? The senate isn't helping. We need a DD to clear out all the deadwood. Australia will continue to backwards with the likes of Lazarus, Lambie and Ricky Muir holding the balance of power. Of course it's easy to kick the government but if you are honest you will admit there's things beyond the governments control stifling their reforms. I think the basic ineptitude of Australian politics is to blame
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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mcjules wrote:They went to the polls promising budget surpluses without austerity. Give me one example of a policy they campaigned on that was blocked in the senate by those 3?
My stance on deficits is that it's stupid to focus on them, we have ridiculous levels of private debt in this country and that is directly due to the government holding surpluses. That's putting aside the fact that revenues are down due to global factors outside of Australia's control.
However... they campaigned on this ridiculous notion and they haven't delivered. Liberal governments have never been good economic managers and they deserve to be crucified(metaphorically of course AFP :lol:) for it Give me one example of a reform policy that can be compared with austerity? Most of the changes proposed have been fairly benign but it't gotten to the point where any proposed cut no matter how small will draw howls of protest and rabid claims of austerity. The GP co payment for instance provoked an outrageous backlash and was spun as an attack on the sick, poor and elderly, yet we're talking about a $5 fee here not slashing pensions in half. People who complain about austerity clearly haven't lived in Greece or Ireland (which I'm pleased to say is growing again despite austerity measures The idea that we can continue to run up endless is dangerous and stupid. Money isn't endless and neither is economic growth. We were one of a few countries to escape recession during the GFC and that is directly due to our no debt safety net leading into it, which provided us with the elasticity to stimulate the economy through borrowings, unlike other countries whose debt was too high to significantly borrow. Lefty types must live with their heads in the clouds where every day the sun shines and it never rains, they are essentially gambling the nations finances on the hope that tomorrow and every day after it will be bright and sunny. The idea that Liberals have never been good economic managers is mindless partisan nonsense so I'm not going to bother to address that.
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rusty wrote:The idea that Liberals have never been good economic managers is mindless partisan nonsense so I'm not going to bother to address that.
Firstly :lol: rusty wrote:Give me one example of a reform policy that can be compared with austerity? Most of the changes proposed have been fairly benign but it't gotten to the point where any proposed cut no matter how small will draw howls of protest and rabid claims of austerity. The GP co payment for instance provoked an outrageous backlash and was spun as an attack on the sick, poor and elderly, yet we're talking about a $5 fee here not slashing pensions in half. People who complain about austerity clearly haven't lived in Greece or Ireland (which I'm pleased to say is growing again despite austerity measures These measures were never even discussed before the election. It was all going to be "sunshine and rainbows" before the election but then afterwards they tried to hit the classic areas for neocons go for (i.e. smash the ones that can least afford it leaving the fat cats to "trickle down" some money to the plebs) rusty wrote:The idea that we can continue to run up endless is dangerous and stupid. Money isn't endless and neither is economic growth. We were one of a few countries to escape recession during the GFC and that is directly due to our no debt safety net leading into it, which provided us with the elasticity to stimulate the economy through borrowings, unlike other countries whose debt was too high to significantly borrow. Lefty types must live with their heads in the clouds where every day the sun shines and it never rains, they are essentially gambling the nations finances on the hope that tomorrow and every day after it will be bright and sunny. The Australian Government has an endless supply of Australian dollars, they own the printing press and it isn't backed by anything. Any debt in Australian dollars is always going to be serviceable by the Australian government. That doesn't actually mean they should spend and endless amount? No because that'd be highly inflationary meaning that the money we earn would be worthless. Ever bothered to check inflation figures? They're almost always within the 3% bounds that they try and target. The reality is there's little difference between Liberals or Labor in terms of the managing a budget, most of it is handled by bureaucrats in Treasury anyway. Once again though, they've sold themselves as being able to control something they really can't. They should be judged on it and booted out of government IMO.
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:mcjules wrote:So...any of the deficit hawks want to comment on the government again failing on their promise to bring the budget to surplus? It's Labor's fault rusty wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:rusty wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Funny that the deficit as a result of the global financial crisis wasn't beyond Labor's control... Might as well blame GFC for the current woes then Depends whether we rely on Joe Hockey's statement in March 2013 that "the budget will be in surplus in the first year of a Liberal government" Joe's only mistake was to rely on massively fudged Labor figures. Got there, eventually
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mcjules wrote:So...any of the deficit hawks want to comment on the government again failing on their promise to bring the budget to surplus? I wish they'd call a spade a spade and take ownership of the debt rather than trying to spin it off as some fuck up by the previous government. It's pathetic.
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Well well well; http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-17/tax-transparency-report/7036708Don't really hear much from other news outlets about this? -PB
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Gotta love the attempted smoke screen used by the right wing to try to stop its publication - "it will make them targets for abduction & extortion" Nah, as the Piper, you were just trying to look after your paymasters
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Oh ho hum, another day another racist bus rant recorded on Sydney's public trains My solution? More quiet carriages We don't have some speaking on the phone in a LOTE (most likely too loud) and we won't have an Australian retaliating for the volume of their calls!
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Condemned666 wrote:Oh ho hum, another day another racist bus rant recorded on Sydney's public trains My solution? More quiet carriages We don't have some speaking on the phone in a LOTE (most likely too loud) and we won't have an Australian retaliating for the volume of their calls! Blaming the victim isnt a solution
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trident wrote:Condemned666 wrote:Oh ho hum, another day another racist bus rant recorded on Sydney's public trains My solution? More quiet carriages We don't have some speaking on the phone in a LOTE (most likely too loud) and we won't have an Australian retaliating for the volume of their calls! Blaming the victim isnt a solution w... what nonsense! Only in Australia do we allow people to chant along joyfully on a train or bus, the optimism of going to the beach Its shut up and ensure your B.O is in order everywhere else in the world!
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Tard News wrote:be afraid, be very afraid....this is what stuff like Brandis MetaData Laws brings in http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/australian-federal-police-remotely-turning-phones-of-criminals-into-listening-devices/news-story/c4e8904a5b5009ff5aa23468dc8649f1POLICE are secretly turning the mobile phones of criminals into listening devices to record their face-to-face meetings. The hi-tech spying tactic involves officers remotely uploading a hidden program to a phone, which turns it into a microphone and records its unwitting user’s offline conversations. Two alleged drug traffickers launched an appeal against the investigative technique after one of their phones was bugged by the Australian Federal Police. The pair are facing a County Court trial charged with conspiracy to traffic a large commercial quantity of ecstasy or MDMA in 2013. But the Court of Appeal last week rejected their bid to stop the AFP using evidence it obtained from conversations recorded through the phone. Instead, a panel of three judges determined that the sneaky crime-fighting tactic was legal under the Surveillance Devices Act. AFP officers had obtained a warrant to use “listening, optical, data and tracking surveillance devices” as part of the investigation. The court heard the AFP secretly uploaded software to the accused’s mobile phone “remotely via the mobile telephone network”. “The telephone with the microphone thus activated by the software permitted the transmission of face-to-face conversations via the mobile telephone network to police at a remote location where they were recorded,” Justice Phillip Priest said. “At least several conversations involving the accused, sought to be relied upon by the Crown, had been recorded as a result of software having been remotely uploaded to (the accused’s) mobile phone.” The alleged traffickers argued the conversations could not be used against them because the recordings were illegally obtained, claiming the phone was not an approved surveillance device. But lawyers for the AFP argued that the phone was a surveillance device because it was “clearly capable of being used to record, monitor or listen to a conversation”. Justice Priest said it was “tolerably clear” that the phone was a legal listening device and the conversations police recorded were not obtained by “illegality”. tom.minear@news.com.auEdited by tard news: 24/12/2015 10:04:47 AM Nothing to do with metadata. Surveillance Devices Act is longstanding and the police got a warrant.
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Fucking lol @ Dutton the knobhed hahahahah -PB
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