Among lefties

With technology becoming smaller and wireless and mobile services becoming the norm I think fixed line technologies are five minutes to midnight. There's already a trend happening in countries such in Japan where people are ditching their fibre connections in favour of 4G/5G alternatives. As the evolution of satellite and wireless technologies continues it will crowd out the fixed line market as people won't want to pay for multiple services when their smart phone can do fulfill most of their needs.

It should have been FTTN all the way from the beginning, as was Rudd's original plan. We could have had a modest internet upgrade for roughly $4 billion taxpayers keeping us competitive for at least the next couple of decades, invested in other important infrastructure such mas metro rail which we are severely lagging in and left open the possibility for further NBN investments such as G fast , 5G or FTTP depending on global technology trends and economic and budget considerations.

Instead Conroy and Labor got carried away and decided to play Nostradamus and pork barrel our building fund into securing Conroy's personal legacy. If they stuck with FTTN the network would be complete by now, we'd be top 20 or higher for international broadband rankings and we'd have saved tens of billions of dollars that could be used to invest in roads and rail.

I thought point 2 was conspiracy nutty at the time it was suggested, until you sit down and contemplate it. It makes sense. I'm on Optus HFC, high speed (up to 100Mbps) and regularly have connection problems with streaming. Almost always an issue during and after rain.

Among the electorate overall.

I If Liberals lose the election I hope they go down badly and those bedwetters who ousted Abbott lose their seats.

I think this aspect of the PM polling is underrated in its importance:

"Voters also think the Coalition will win the July 2 election, with 44% rating the Coalition likely victors compared with one-quarter who think Labor will win. But the expectation of a Coalition win has slipped from 55% since the question was last asked in mid-March".

Expectation of the likely result of an election is really critical in determining the scope for improving in the polls. People have to expect it is possible for you to win, before they can think its likely, before they will actually decide to vote for you.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/23/election-2016-malcolm-turnbull-poll-rating-slumps-labor-maintains-51-49-lead

One thing that people like rusty like to hide from the public is the concept of contention. Your cable is shared medium with a finite capacity, there might be 100 homes using that same bit of cable before it hits the backbone network (where contention can be an issue again and is on the NBN because of the rates they're charging ISPS but I'm digressing). If there are too many homes trying to max out their connections at the same time, there is contention for bandwidth and inevitably there are dropouts to your streaming. This is why wireless taking over is bullshit because you might get 5000 users+ all competing for that same finite bandwidth on that medium. It's simple physics, and the only solutions are:
1. Using more of the electromagnetic spectrum, 4G is using the old analog TV spectrum and eventually we'll need to reallocate Digital TV and radio's too and everything will be IP streaming.
2. Install more wireless towers, more expensive and people love having those things in their backyards so this seems like a harder sell.

As for the rain issues, it's well documented that Optus have neglected their HFC network and it's going to have to be replaced.

That's because he has more support from the left relative to Abbott inflating his popularity, but they still wont vote for him

The belief of who will win typically translates into support for the underdog

Why do you think that?

I don't think that is borne out in the evidence.

Federal Labor says it will cut some of the travel allowances politicians receive if it wins power in July.

Shadow Treasurer Chris Bowen says Labor will make an announcement about politicians "double-dipping" on their Canberra housing arrangements before the election.

MPs and senators are able to claim travel allowance of $273 a night for staying in their own property in Canberra and they are also able to receive a tax deduction for the costs associated with that property.

Mr Bowen said politicians should not be able to claim both of those benefits...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-23/election-2016-alp-may-crackdown-politicans-double-dipping/7436558

With technology becoming smaller and wireless and mobile services becoming the norm I think fixed line technologies are five minutes to midnight. There's already a trend happening in countries such in Japan where people are ditching their fibre connections in favour of 4G/5G alternatives. As the evolution of satellite and wireless technologies continues it will crowd out the fixed line market as people won't want to pay for multiple services when their smart phone can do fulfill most of their needs.

Meanwhile since I said busway. Melbourne could really use a brisbane style busway

has anyone used that busway? It rocks. Best part of Bris public transport

Japan also has one of the highest population/device densities in the world and those connections still need fibre backbones to maintain.

You won't see Australia putting up a tower in the middle of nowhere to service 2-3 farms with 4G lol. You're also assuming that Telco's will actually end up offering data plans like they have in places like Japan as well as the upgrade of the panel infrastructure to stop the terrible congestion that we have even now (and on NBN fixed wireless).

As for evolution of Sat service, as someone who used Hibis/Satellite for 6+ years I'd love to see how they're going to make latency better.

-PB

Physics rules don't apply in rusty's world. Waves can travel faster than the speed of light!

Ah the old wireless is going to take over argument. Simple physics says that that idea is bullshit. Global technology trends are already FTTP, we've been put behind the eightball yet again.

Wireless will eventually supersede fixed networks, technologies to overcome spectrum limitations are already in development.

Doesn't matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true.

It WILL happen, it's currently happening, picking up steady momentum. It's will be attractive for operators from an finance perspective, as they will able to manage their networks and customer base with reduced operating/maintenance costs and field/IT staff expenditures.

It WILL happen, it's currently happening, picking up steady momentum. It's will be attractive for operators from an finance perspective, as they will able to manage their networks and customer base with reduced operating/maintenance costs and field/IT staff expenditures.

And if it takes 50 years?

We're just gonna chill on our shit copper till then?

-PB

Governments aren't very good predictors of technology trends that's why it's better to respond to current needs than guessing 50-100 years in advance what the technology environment will be like and spending on that basis. With FTTN if there's an economic need to extend fibre closer to the premises (either FTTdp or FTTH) the accelerated revenues will help pay for it rather than raiding infrastructure funds.

Governments aren't very good predictors of technology trends that's why it's better to respond to current needs than guessing 50-100 years in advance what the technology environment will be like and spending on that basis. With FTTN if there's an economic need to extend fibre closer to the premises (either FTTdp or FTTH) the accelerated revenues will help pay for it rather than raiding infrastructure funds.

We have been really screwed over by the eelenpee with this lipstick on a pig FTTN, that will cost this country Billions more (already at $56B) thanks to the additional costs of maintenance and subsequent inevitable upgrade to FTTP.
We ultimately have to thank the simpleton voters who ate up the fear mongering of Abbott 2013.

Yes they usually underestimate which is exactly what's happening here.