Al-qaeda also criticised the ousting of Morsi.

Which pretty much validates ousting him.

Now Netanyahu will turn around and call muslims a 'wound' on the modern world.

Don't blame him tbh

Israel gets so much shit

He doesn't exactly help their calls.

Im not saying he should be applauding everything to do with Israel but at least trying to be more cooperative on the issue. I know many on here have different opinions than me on the issue to do with Israel (and not keen to rehash our same points at each other) but if I remember correctly most were for a two state solution rather than the abolition of Israel, so hopefully will share my sentiments.

Well for a start pulling out of Gaza was a lot more than Iran or the Palestinians have done.

Where did I say that? I said as a movement to giving the other side what they want, Israel withdrawing from Gaza was way bigger than anything the Palestinians will do. And dont forget how Gazas just become a nice strong hold for missiles to be sent in.

Ill let you get in last word (although ill probably give a reply to that). I think we both dont want this argument again.

Well for a start pulling out of Gaza was a lot more than Iran or the Palestinians have done.

Palestinians must give up land that was taken from them?

Im not saying what Israel did is not a good step forward, but find it hard to think that Palestine is doing nothing. They have no military, a democratically elected government that the western world refuses to acknowledge and then when they fire a rocket back from Gaza, everyone loses their minds.

What do you do when someone fires a rocket at you?

You shoot 10 back.

I'm not being sarcastic btw.

When you have no option, you really have no option.

Doesn't matter if they have options, I'd be fucking pissed if someone shot rockets at my country.

Country or lack there-of.

Palestianians didnt have to 'give up' land. But they could have made significant progress but applauding Israel's move and taking their own steps to 'giving' something up. Could have been something such as taking steps to reduce or denounce violent from their own people or something along those lines where they would have taken their own big step. Im not a diplomat so that my suggestion may not be so feasible but the point stands.



Its a bit different though when the land was under a British mandate.

And the religious comparison to Constantinople is weak. The difference being most of the secular world is Christian based (i.e. Christmas, Easter holdays) and thus a safe haven for people of this faith. Jews had just suffered from being stigmatised, abused and constantly made scapegoats which eventually lead to an almost destruction of the religion and had no safe haven to go to.

I forgot dont post articles that mention Israel it only ever leads to me feeling I have to debate the other side.

Tunisian tensions escalate amid Arab spring's unravelling
Assassination of key opposition figures in revolution's success story adds to region's ongoing crisis of legitimacy, yet some are still optimistic

Tunisian demonstrators hold pictures of assassinated opposition leader Mohamed Brahmi. Only six months ago, it had seemed as if Tunisia was on the last leg of its transition to democracy. Photograph: Sabrina Belkhouja/Demotix//Corbis
On Wednesday – almost unreported in the midst of the crisis in Egypt – a bomb targeting a National Guard patrol exploded in the town of Mhamdia, a little south of the Tunisian capital Tunis, the latest act of violence in the country where the Arab spring began.

Tied to a tree next to the P3 highway, the bomb was the second in a week; the first was detonated in the port of La Goulette. Both attacks occurred in a period of bleak news from Tunisia, whose post-revolutionary political settlement – dominated by the moderate Islamist Ennahda party – has been convulsed by the political assassination of prominent leftist opposition figure Mohamed Brahmi and on Monday, the killing of eight soldiers near the border with Algeria.

What was supposed to be the success story of the Arab spring, sparked in December 2010 in the central Tunisian town of Sidi Bouzid, Tunisia's growing crisis has become inextricably entangled in the Arab spring's wider unravelling as dreadful events across north Africa and through the wider Arab world have fuelled each other.

Only six months ago – before the murder of Chokri Belaid, an opposition colleague of Brahmi killed in a strikingly similar attack, it had seemed as if Tunisia was on the last leg of its transition to democracy from the authoritarian regime of Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali.

Nationwide elections were expected this year or early in the next. There had been political crises, disputes and rising tension between the country's secular parties and the Ennahda-led coalition government, not least over the rapid and unchecked rise of a vocal and hardline Salafist movement, whose fringes include violent extremists.

If there was room for optimism the murder of Brahmi and the attack on the soldiers on Monday in the Chaambi mountains put paid to that. And if it is not the first crisis to afflict post-revolutionary Tunisia, this time there is a new dimension.

Inspired by the Egyptian army's coup against the Muslim Brotherhood president, Mohamed Morsi, Tunisian protesters are calling for the dissolution of their Islamist-dominated assembly.

Those who have gathered to protest outside the assembly building have been a younger crowd, many of them women, who joined the Ramadan-evening protests mingling with veterans of the leftist political scene, where Brahmi was a well-known figure.

Their complaint – echoing that heard in Egypt, where the allied Muslim Brotherhood was removed in a military coup on 3 July – is that they regard Ennahda as having ideologically hijacked the Tunisian revolution, by using religious discourse to appeal to voters over the heads of other parties and that it has encouraged a climate of intimidation that led to the killings.

The escalating tension has been characterised by fierce accusations on both sides. A mark of the seriousness of the situation is that since the end of last week dozens of assembly members have announced they are withdrawing from the body, saying they support calls for its dissolution.

The Tunisian crisis comes not only against the background of the coup in Egypt but in the context of a worsening security situation in neighbouring Libya, which too has seen a recent assassination of an opposition political figure in Benghazi and attacks on Muslim Brotherhood offices in the country.

That has prompted Libya's prime minister, Ali Zaidan, to admit that his country is in a "state of crisis" amid a continuing wave of violence that security forces are powerless to stop.

Gun battles, bombings and assassinations continue to strike the capital, Tripoli, and Benghazi, Libya's second city, on a daily basis, leaving the country poised on the brink of anarchy.

International leaders including EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton – who has attempted to intervene in Egypt's problems to secure the release of President Morsi – have condemned the sectarian violence.

As in Egypt and Tunisia, the same holds true in Libya – sharp divisions have created an ongoing crisis of legitimacy that has seen those who have lost influence in recent elections unwilling to concede and participate within the new parliamentary systems, while those who have acquired power through the ballot box appear unable to rule or rule with a sufficiently wide consensus and plurality.

For his part Zaidan admits that with parliament split between the Muslim Brotherhood's Justice and Construction Party and the centre-right National Forces Alliance (NFA), he is powerless to create a unified security force.

"The General National Congress should not be a venue for infighting, it should co-operate with the government," he said.

On Tuesday four car bombs targeted government security officials in Benghazi, one of them killing the head of the army's protection force, Ahmed al-Barnawi.

Benghazi too has been tense since Friday's assassination of a leading anti-Brotherhood activist, Abdelsalam al-Mosmary.

Foreigners have begun to leave following the defusing of a powerful car bomb outside Tripoli's luxury Radisson Blu hotel on Tuesday. Last week a rocket narrowly missed a second hotel, the Corinthia, where many diplomats live and a grenade struck the residence of the United Arab Emirates ambassador.

"It's a real mess around here," said Tripoli student Hassan, who declined to give his second name. "The government is so weak, people can get away with what they want."

Tunisia, unlike Libya and Egypt at least, still provides a source of optimism for some.

Michael Willis, north Africa specialist at the Middle East Centre at St Antony's College Oxford, What impresses me about Tunisia is that the political actors seem to walk to the edge of the precipice, then take a step back and start talking to each other again. They keep talking to each other behind the scenes, unlike in Egypt."

All of which leads to a far more sobering situation in the Middle East and north Africa than in the midst of the Arab spring two years ago.

In Bahrain, where protests were put down with Saudi Arabia's assistance, what advances there had been in political and human rights have been driven back by almost daily raids and arrests. Syria's uprising has turned into a bitter and bloody civil war with strong sectarian overtones that is destabilising neighbouring Lebanon and Iraq.

But it is Egypt that remains the source of the greatest concern despite its army-backed government on Thursday urging Morsi's supporters to abandon their Cairo protest camps, promising them "a safe exit" if they gave up without a fight. That offer seems to be a carrot after a far more chilling warning on Wednesday, when the interim government said it was ready to take action to end two weeks of sit-in protests by thousands of Morsi supporters at two sites – raising the possibility of a further potentially bloody showdown.

Doesn't matter if they have options, I'd be fucking pissed if someone shot rockets at my country.

Iridium1010, its not about jews vs muslims.

You can imagine how the Palestinians feel then cant you? Not only are rockets fired at them, but an Army watches their every move. Has to check them in at checkpoints to get in to the own country. An Israeli government refuses to acknowledge their existence. Whats worse, is they not even allowed to enter one of the holiest places in the land for their prayers. What claim does the Israeli government have of Al-Aqsa mosque?

Iridium1010, its not about jews vs muslims. Its the Zionists who cause the bigger issue. And dont give me this nonsense that its the Palestinians who are the aggressors. Thats total hogwash. When aid convoys get attacked in International waters and people are attacked by air missiles and drones, you cant play that, Israel is one being hard done by, card.

You'd be spot on if everything you've said wasn't a load of shit that is easily disproved by basic fact checking.

Carry on.