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Judy Free wrote:
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Judy Free wrote:
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I have a lot of time for the coaching project run by Decentric and his co-coaches as it is free and he outlines clear principles on how to improve technique.


if only decentric had put his hand up and admitted to the kids/parents that he possesses no experience whatsoever, then I might be a little more encouraging of his pursuits. But like basher et al he suffers from delusions of grandeur, using smoke, mirrors and blantant bullshit to 'sell' himself to a naive public. Unforgiveable, from any angle.

Edited by judy free: 15/8/2012 07:31:48 AM
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I must have about 13 years experience now having coached players from aged 8 - 30 of both genders.


Your coaching, in sanctioned tassie association competition, is limited to one short season, coaching an U11's girl's team no less. Everything else was either in the school playground or as an orange peeler in some micky mouse 5 a side comp.

Now please correct me if I am wrong, old boy. You owe it to your legion of three fans here.


Edited by judy free: 15/8/2012 05:04:16 PM


All seasons have been as assistant or head coach or TD of teams in sanctioned FFA competitions from the age of under 8 upwards.



FFS. :oops:

You know this is a million miles from the truth.....why do you say these things?

One season, with an U11's girls team, is the sum total of your real world experience.

From the mailroom to the boardroom in 3 picoseconds......impressive.


Telling the same lies often enough isn't going to change my coaching experience.

Eastern Region Junior Association

Kuwait Private Interschool Competition - prematurely ended because of Iraq war.

New state league club operated a 7 a side competition a few years ago. Managed an adult team that won title.

State rep under 12 competition - title winning with 100percent win rate.

TD of club, second tier, not in Victory League - Tassie state league next year. Club has players from under 7s to adults.

These are positions within FFA registered associations or overseas.

There are other positions coaching occasional sessions with club teams, state teams and running a soccer school on a permanent basis.

You have no idea Chips. Just keep pissing into the wind.](*,)

If this thread is cut and pasted to Anarchy, name me one coach on that forum who has a current FFA Youth Licence or above, and thinks the above CV is so shocking I shouldn't be coaching, or that I'm ripping parents off. I'm not sure Anarchy is a place where coaches share and discuss training ground practice.

I am also working hard on updating qualifications and knowledge, being selected for a FFA group of coaches as a small pilot group to best advance sound training ground practice in the NC. We are set assignments for FFA to determine how successfully they are teaching the NC. Since you claim to know so much about my CV, which type of coaches are in this group and how many are there?

Just keeping pissing away and saturating those trousers, Chips.](*,)


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Aussiesrus wrote:
Decentric,

Haven't you figured out yet that the two footballanarchy trolls are here simply to throw mud and gain a lot of joy from watching you trying to clean it up? Their posts are simply to illicit a response.

For the record I have never wore the green and gold and never claimed as such. I explained this to you before. Unofficial friendlies against another country or state sides does not warrant a national rep tag and in no official way should this claim be made by anyone else either.

Distantfan,

As you appear reasonable I will try to clear up your confusion.

The technical and head coaches at ASA are Bronislav (Bruno) Jasiczek (holder of FFA "B" Licence) and Tony Basha (holder of Asian Senior license) both have professional playing careers. The sub-coaching staff is made up of ex-players both pro and semi-pro in their respective countries. The sub coaches follow the criteria set by the technical and head coach. As for Petruzzi he provides a 3rd party professional service to some EPL clubs. In other words Jim works with the players head space and getting their attitudes right on the path to a semi-pro or pro career if the player wants to follow that path.

Nowhere does ASA ever claim to make a star out of parents kids. They do guarantee however to parents that their kids will improve and learn from attitudes and techniques by coaching and training with the many kids that already play A-league, NSW premier league and NSW super league.

I'm not 100% sure which age group Alusine has been signed to manchester city. Alusine is either 14 or 15 yrs old. The young lad who is attending stoke city is 16 yrs old. So you can conclude they are at academy level with these EPL clubs.

As ASA itself has only been running for about 6 years. The fact ASA has two current A-league players in Kwabena Appiah Kubi (West Sydney Wanderers) and Mitchell Duke (Central Coast Mariners) says ASA is doing something right to support football. Added to this ASA have quite a few current NSW Premier League first graders and U/20's U/18's, U/16's, U/14's etc that also have or currently attend the academy. New kids wishing to make the step up from association football to state league can gain a lot knowledge and improvement from training with these level of players.

Also for the record I never have received nor will I ever receive one cent from ASA. I paid the same as everyone else and provide ASA with hosting and web services at my own cost which is really nothing because I have the spare resources to do so. I have seen what the academy does for kids and how they have improved players and to me this is worth supporting. I also give my time for free to association teams and state league clubs because quite simply I grew up on football, love the sport and enjoy giving back to the sport and do not need a cent as I have my own business which is not football related and doing very well. So I have plenty of free time and a bit of resources to help where needed. ASA also provide free training in their refugee programme and free training to regional areas like mudgee etc. So ASA staff do have to make a living but also give freely of their time and skills. It's not the money grab some would have you think.

As for parents that have played the game and get their kids trained by others this very common. Even Alex Tobin has his kids trained by other coaches. Alex probably does the same I do with my lad and spend many hours down the park giving their lads personal training but the last thing a parent no matter how good wants to do is pass on his own flaws to his kids. This is where we trust professional coaches to assist.

As for posting training techniques and discussions on this forum I use to but the clueless trolls would throw mud and it turned out to be a waste of time. This is also the experience of other coaches like Andy Jackson who tried to give training tips and drills etc on this forum. So simply we stopped wasting our time. I'm sure you contact them privately they can help you out if you request it.

As for shonky academies there are undoubtly plenty around which are giving good academies a bad name. It's my personal experience that ASA is not one of these academies. I also recommend to anyone seeking an academy for their kids to do the homework first and foremost so they do not become one of the dissappointed parents that has pocket pilfered and get nothing in return.

I respect your opinion but you appear to be rather confused between the facts and the trolls throwing mud.

Hope this post helps clear up a few things for you.

Edited by Aussiesrus: 16/8/2012 10:47:32 AM



What I've said is that you have played at national team level. Whether it was against state or country sides, it is the highest level any regular forum/blog participant has played at in this country. The only other is Fabian Incatalupo. It gives you guys a bit more credibility than the rest of us.



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Edited by Aussiesrus: 1/10/2012 03:08:32 AM
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Decentric wrote:
Eastern Region Junior Association

Kuwait Private Interschool Competition - prematurely ended because of Iraq

New state league club operated a 7 a side competition a few years ago. Managed an adult team that won title.

State rep under 12 competition - title winning with 100percent win rate.

TD of club, second tier, not in Victory League - Tassie state league next year. Club has players from under 7s to adults.


Kuwait - school teacher sockah coach

7 a side manager - say no more

U12 girls rep team coach - tick (yes, aware of the big 5 game comp season win record, it's defined your lofty online personna)

TD - lol but to be fair, how long? 1 year? 1 month?

So, given your record, and given your supposed "13 years experience" can I assume you coached at a competitive level for 12 years in the Eastern Junior Association?


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decentric wrote:
]What I've said is that you have played at national team level. Whether it was against state or country sides, it is the highest level any regular forum/blog participant has played at in this country. The only other is Fabian Incatalupo. It gives you guys a bit more credibility than the rest of us.


ROTFLMFAO

Aussie, FFS sort this bozo out, will ya? :lol:


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Judy Free wrote:
Decentric wrote:
Eastern Region Junior Association

Kuwait Private Interschool Competition - prematurely ended because of Iraq

New state league club operated a 7 a side competition a few years ago. Managed an adult team that won title.

State rep under 12 competition - title winning with 100percent win rate.

TD of club, second tier, not in Victory League - Tassie state league next year. Club has players from under 7s to adults.


Kuwait - school teacher sockah coach

7 a side manager - say no more




Since you know so much about Kuwait which school team was I coaching?

Which competition was the seven a side entered in Hobart?

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It's cleared up some things and not others (eg what is an Asian Senior Licence?) But, I'm out of this discussion, I don't feel strongly enough about any single coaching clinic to keep posting about it.

This forum is a rare public space for discussing coaching issues, so it'd be good to see your views again on those subjects. That's a real shame if people have been put off posting for fear of the reaction.
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Decentric wrote:
Judy Free wrote:
Decentric wrote:
Judy Free wrote:
distantfan wrote:
I have a lot of time for the coaching project run by Decentric and his co-coaches as it is free and he outlines clear principles on how to improve technique.


if only decentric had put his hand up and admitted to the kids/parents that he possesses no experience whatsoever, then I might be a little more encouraging of his pursuits. But like basher et al he suffers from delusions of grandeur, using smoke, mirrors and blantant bullshit to 'sell' himself to a naive public. Unforgiveable, from any angle.

Edited by judy free: 15/8/2012 07:31:48 AM


I must have about 13 years experience now having coached players from aged 8 - 30 of both genders.


Your coaching, in sanctioned tassie association competition, is limited to one short season, coaching an U11's girl's team no less. Everything else was either in the school playground or as an orange peeler in some micky mouse 5 a side comp.

Now please correct me if I am wrong, old boy. You owe it to your legion of three fans here.


Edited by judy free: 15/8/2012 05:04:16 PM



Troll.](*,)

All seasons have been as assistant or head coach or TD of teams in sanctioned FFA competitions from the age of under 8 upwards.

I've spent months and months in training courses. Currently I'm in a FFA specific target group for selected coaches to train players at a higher level than club training. I work with the state SAP trainer on a fortnightly basis designing training modules.

Now if your coaching history is scrutinized, because you are keen to discredit others, you have passed no FFA accredited courses in the last 14 years or so.
You have sufferered the ignominy of failing a refresher FFA Youth Licence - a fairly fundamental community coaching course that many people who read this board have passed. So rather than deconstruct training ground methodology that has been posted on this forum, why do you persist to launch personal attacks , when you could demonstrate knowledge by deconstructing football methodology?

My guess is you have been deemed a coach incapable of coaching in a different mode from the past, unable and unwilling to coach in a way to produce contemporary footballers at any level beyond very basic suburban junior coaching.

You are probably very bitter about this. This is why you live a useless existence trolling on the Internet.


When i first joined this forum, i wanted to know who 'Judy Free' was, and this is a VERY similar to the description i was given.
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Its interesting what a Football Academey can offer a player compared to a Club. In most but not all situations, I have found that the Club enviroment at junior level has been more about tactics and the team. While the Academey has been more technique and the individual.

The Club is more about winning while the Academey was more about self development. And in the current state of affairs in Victoria I think you cannot become a good player without doing both for a lot of reasons that can be associated with the NC.

Clubs train twice a week, which is not enough. Academies offer the one or two nights required to become a better player (especially as we don't street football).

We lack enough qualified and experienced coaches in youth development hence the Academies, while interference by well meaning club administrators has turned coaches away from working too closely with clubs.

Academies have filled the gap during the long junior off season of around six months.

Son on and so on.

My personal preference would be for clubs to actually perform these roles and functions any way. But they do not and until they do for better or worse academies will be around for some time to come.
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Arthur wrote:
Its interesting what a Football Academey can offer a player compared to a Club. In most but not all situations, I have found that the Club enviroment at junior level has been more about tactics and the team. While the Academey has been more technique and the individual.

The Club is more about winning while the Academey was more about self development. And in the current state of affairs in Victoria I think you cannot become a good player without doing both for a lot of reasons that can be associated with the NC.

Clubs train twice a week, which is not enough. Academies offer the one or two nights required to become a better player (especially as we don't street football).

We lack enough qualified and experienced coaches in youth development hence the Academies, while interference by well meaning club administrators has turned coaches away from working too closely with clubs.

Academies have filled the gap during the long junior off season of around six months.

Son on and so on.

My personal preference would be for clubs to actually perform these roles and functions any way. But they do not and until they do for better or worse academies will be around for some time to come.

I agree on all points
We have an academy here and it promises nothing except good individual training.
The academy has a waiting list and the COE program can not get players in the U14s up age groups.
Go figger.
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Excellent and true points Arthur.

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M.L. wrote:
Excellent and true points Arthur.


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It would be great if each academy needed to be licensed through the FFA similar to player agents, therefore stopping the money drain from parents for below par education.

I agree with Arthur, clubs should be providing the training required but as with most clubs it is volunteers who dedicate there time, I currently provide my local club with additional skills training for the kids and also prepare the club philosophy for the coaches. This all takes time and i feel the club should charge for additional sessions so do we call ourselves an academy or a performance squad?

The most disappointing thing i find from my local association is they seem to devalue the FFA coaching badges which are handed out like lollies to coaches who should not be in a posiition to handle a child's development therefore academys praying on the ever indulgent parent.
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Berg71kamp wrote:
The most disappointing thing i find from my local association is they seem to devalue the FFA coaching badges which are handed out like lollies to coaches who should not be in a posiition to handle a child's development therefore academys praying on the ever indulgent parent.


Absolutely.

Like a driver's licence, any dimwit can get one.

Useless piece of plastic that has the potential to turn inexperienced suburban nobodies into foaming-at-the-mouth megalomaniacs.. You might find one or two in this here thread.
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Judy Free wrote:
Berg71kamp wrote:
The most disappointing thing i find from my local association is they seem to devalue the FFA coaching badges which are handed out like lollies to coaches who should not be in a posiition to handle a child's development therefore academys praying on the ever indulgent parent.


Absolutely.

Like a driver's licence, any dimwit can get one.

Useless piece of plastic that has the potential to turn inexperienced suburban nobodies into foaming-at-the-mouth megalomaniacs.. You might find one or two in this here thread.


In Victoria the FFV has smarted this issue and cudo's to them.

The Community Licences are easier to obtain as they now have certificate 1 & 2 and then the full licence is a test. This is a bit of a hotch potch as someone can legitamately claim to have their Senior Licence but may only have Certificate 1.

While the AFC C & B courses have been tightened up over the last two years and aspiring coaches must now pass the exam to qualify. Surprisingly some top former players have failed. Previously under the old coaching instructors going back some years all you had to do was turn up.

Generally though these ".........inexperienced suburban nobodies into foaming-at-the-mouth megalomaniacs.." get found out by the majority fairly quickly.

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Arthur wrote:
Generally though these ".........inexperienced suburban nobodies into foaming-at-the-mouth megalomaniacs.." get found out by the majority fairly quickly.


Not if they opt for the safety of some supposed development role.
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Interestingly this came through the email today:

21st August 2012
Private Academies on the Central Coast.
Central Coast Football (CCF) and the Central Coast Mariners Academy have been made aware of several private academies that are advertising programs for intakes over the next month or so. We have also received calls and emails from some parents asking if their child needs to attend these to be eligible for CCMA in 2013.
We wish to advise that we do not endorse any of these academies and there is NO requirement to attend these prior to trialing for CCMA for 2103. THERE IS NO PREQUIESTE TO ATTEND ANY ACADEMY PRIOR TO TRIALS.
We would also like to point out that when trials commence they may well clash with the dates of these private academies and this cannot be catered for during the CCMA trial process.
If selected as part of the CCMA squads for 2013, the program, in accordance with the national football curriculm, will be quite intense and we believe there will be little time for each player to attend these and therefore wish parents and players to be aware before investing time and money.
While obviously each player and parent is free to attend any private academy we would strongly suggest you look into the full details including insurances and clashes with CCMA trials and training requirements to ensure you are not disappointed.
If you have any further questions please direct these to Donna Slater at the CCF office on (02) 43652900
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Judy Free wrote:
Arthur wrote:
Generally though these ".........inexperienced suburban nobodies into foaming-at-the-mouth megalomaniacs.." get found out by the majority fairly quickly.


Not if they opt for the safety of some supposed development role.


Judy you are always going to find the anomaly or point it out, but as I wrote "Generaly they will get found out".

But don't think these academeies are unique to our sport. There are plenty around in all types of sports.

Honestly I am not a fan of Academeies but let's face reality here, there is a shortage of quality junior coaches and the Clubs are failing to provide the enviroment to provide consistent adequate coaching for various reasons.

The FFA and the Member Fedrations need to get more qualified coaches and to do this they need to have more courses at a cheaper cost.

Having said that I have met some fantastic coaches who have minimal qualifications and met some guys that have their AFC B Licence and should be ashamed of themselves.
Of course getting the Licences is no gurantee.

But what they do show IN GENERAL is a person dedicated enough to his/her craft to further educate themselves about the game.
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Arthur wrote:
Honestly I am not a fan of Academeies but let's face reality here, there is a shortage of quality junior coaches and the Clubs are failing to provide the enviroment to provide consistent adequate coaching for various reasons.


Hmmm, community clubs, providing community sporting activities, using the services of volunteer mums and dads (who drew the short straw).....I'd say they are generally doing an immense job catering for the kids who wish to play sockah for fun. Further, I'd generally reckon that most kids are completely happy/fulfilled with whats on offer at their local club. You see, IMHO very few kids are starry eyed eliltists who hold mid or long term views of someday entering the pro ranks.

But for those kids that do have ambition, along with a degree of natural talent that they and their peers recognise, have always had pathways that funneled them into an evironment where access to substantially better coaching is a given.

The rise of the private academy has not been driven by demand from juniors, moreover it is largely due to out-of-work uneducated former players (with no other job prospects) trying to cash in on a perceived renewed interest (new dawn) in strayan sockah. Waltzing onto the scene, talking cliched bollox, chucking about TLA's and presenting sockah as an exact science that only a privileged few apparently understand. And, as nigerian scammers have discovered, naivety in this big brown land is alive and well.....there'll always be a dopey and easily misled bunch who'll give over their hard-earned.


Edited by judy free: 22/8/2012 07:39:33 AM
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Interestingly this came through the email today:

21st August 2012
Private Academies on the Central Coast.
Central Coast Football (CCF) and the Central Coast Mariners Academy have been made aware of several private academies that are advertising programs for intakes over the next month or so. We have also received calls and emails from some parents asking if their child needs to attend these to be eligible for CCMA in 2013.
We wish to advise that we do not endorse any of these academies and there is NO requirement to attend these prior to trialing for CCMA for 2103. THERE IS NO PREQUIESTE TO ATTEND ANY ACADEMY PRIOR TO TRIALS.
We would also like to point out that when trials commence they may well clash with the dates of these private academies and this cannot be catered for during the CCMA trial process.
If selected as part of the CCMA squads for 2013, the program, in accordance with the national football curriculm, will be quite intense and we believe there will be little time for each player to attend these and therefore wish parents and players to be aware before investing time and money.
While obviously each player and parent is free to attend any private academy we would strongly suggest you look into the full details including insurances and clashes with CCMA trials and training requirements to ensure you are not disappointed.
If you have any further questions please direct these to Donna Slater at the CCF office on (02) 43652900
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Dazza's been around sockah for a long time.....glad to see him being proactive in helping parents make informed decisions.
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Judy Free wrote:


Hmmm, community clubs, providing community sporting activities, using the services of volunteer mums and dads (who drew the short straw).....I'd say they are generally doing an immense job catering for the kids who wish to play sockah for fun. Further, I'd generally reckon that most kids are completely happy/fulfilled with whats on offer at their local club. You see, IMHO very few kids are starry eyed eliltists who hold mid or long term views of someday entering the pro ranks.

Totally agree with your sentiments and my roots are from "community clubs". I have found the vast majority of kids want to play with their mates for fun. That's why trialling and grading are such dangerous issues. While the parent coach who gets a bigger kick out of winning at a community club is a danger to himself the kids and the club.
My only beef has been when a kid has been at a "community" club for 5 years and still can't kick a ball. That for me is a disgrace and I have seen a few of them.

While the kids want to play with their mates they also want to learn skills. In fact if you ask the kids at community clubs they too want to learn how to juggle, do an around the world a sombrero etc. etc.

And clubs should be able to provide an enviroment that can teach "tricks" a word the elite consider a dirty word.




But for those kids that do have ambition, along with a degree of natural talent that they and their peers recognise, have always had pathways that funneled them into an evironment where access to substantially better coaching is a given.

Agree some what with you Judy, though usually the ones on the cusp are the ones that seek that external assistance to bridge the gap.

The rise of the private academy has not been driven by demand from juniors, moreover it is largely due to out-of-work uneducated former players (with no other job prospects) trying to cash in on a perceived renewed interest (new dawn) in strayan sockah.

Yeah some fit into that catergory for sure, while as one other "Academey Coach" said to me "...if I coached U12's and after six weeks they are not on top of the ladder I would be sacked. The focus has become all about the journey and not about where we want to end up."

He was inferencing how most "Talented" juniors are focused on making State Futsal & Outdoor teams, skillaroo programs, NTC programs etc. as if this was the quest in itself and not enough thought of where they will end up.



Waltzing onto the scene, talking cliched bollox, chucking about TLA's and presenting sockah as an exact science that only a privileged few apparently understand. And, as nigerian scammers have discovered, naivety in this big brown land is alive and well.....there'll always be a dopey and easily misled bunch who'll give over their hard-earned.


Edited by judy free: 22/8/2012 07:39:33 AM


There are also clubs that cater for "talented" players that are still focused on the winning at junior levels so they trial them and get rid of the weak and replace with the strong. They still use athletic solutions, the biggest and fastest, so they can win U12 leagues. They are sometimes overloaded with midfielders who end up full backs.

I'll stop here because I know and you know that the junior ranks are not perfect either at Development Pathways of the FFA and Fedrations, Elite Junior Clubs, Community Clubs and Private Coaching Academies.

I am amazed at some of the talent that has come through and cry at the wastage.

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Arthur wrote:
Yeah some fit into that catergory for sure, while as one other "Academey Coach" said to me "...if I coached U12's and after six weeks they are not on top of the ladder I would be sacked. The focus has become all about the journey and not about where we want to end up."


This is the tricky bit.

How would you judge the effectiveness of a player developer?

When does success on the park (the ability to play v ability to juggle etc) become a pointer to effective coaching?

Or is it OK for player developers to point to their best former student 5 years down the track and take credit?

I'm seriously interested in how you would make player developers accountable for their coaching?

Of course, if a player developer can point to a long and successful past career as a competitive coach then there'd be less reason to cast doubts over their reasons for opting for a safe and unaccountable role in player dev.


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Judy Free wrote:
Arthur wrote:
Yeah some fit into that catergory for sure, while as one other "Academey Coach" said to me "...if I coached U12's and after six weeks they are not on top of the ladder I would be sacked. The focus has become all about the journey and not about where we want to end up."


This is the tricky bit.

How would you judge the effectiveness of a player developer?

When does success on the park (the ability to play v ability to juggle etc) become a pointer to effective coaching?

Or is it OK for player developers to point to their best former student 5 years down the track and take credit?

I'm seriously interested in how you would make player developers accountable for their coaching?

Of course, if a player developer can point to a long and successful past career as a competitive coach then there'd be less reason to cast doubts over their reasons for opting for a safe and unaccountable role in player dev.


This is part of the issue Chips, were are these coaches with a long and successful past career as a competitive coach 'stepping down' to a developmental role? It would seem that most either do not want to or don't have the necessary skills to do so.

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Judy Free wrote:
Arthur wrote:
Yeah some fit into that catergory for sure, while as one other "Academey Coach" said to me "...if I coached U12's and after six weeks they are not on top of the ladder I would be sacked. The focus has become all about the journey and not about where we want to end up."


This is the tricky bit.

How would you judge the effectiveness of a player developer?

When does success on the park (the ability to play v ability to juggle etc) become a pointer to effective coaching?

Or is it OK for player developers to point to their best former student 5 years down the track and take credit?

I'm seriously interested in how you would make player developers accountable for their coaching?

Of course, if a player developer can point to a long and successful past career as a competitive coach then there'd be less reason to cast doubts over their reasons for opting for a safe and unaccountable role in player dev.



All pertinent questions and ones I cannot answer. I can only offer a point of view.

How would you judge the effectiveness of a player developer?

For my kids all I want is for them to play the game as a life long hobby (Any Sport would do). To train with good friends and have a social group that would keep them pretty much out of trouble and healthy. Any more than that well good luck to you.
To keep that "enjoyment" level going I have had to take them to "Private" coaching as the club coaches did not have the ability to improve their game or teach them what they wanted to learn.
The coaches they went to gave them the confidence and training to make their skills competent enough to be able to enjoy playing the game. So in my judgement they are effective player developrs.

When does success on the park (the ability to play v ability to juggle etc) become a pointer to effective coaching?

My kids and their peers are always interested in improving their juggling and their repertoire of "Moves", so they could show off against each other.
While they have always been excited when they performed one of these moves in a match. The kids themselves have dictated what they want to learn, I have found that they and their friends use Youtube often to exoeriment with moves. As for winning its important, but not as important as ripping their direct opponent or doing a "nuts" on them.

I am not surprised that this is what they want to learn, if you look through Youtube and look at Skateboarding, BMX tricks and racing. These individual sports are about impressing peers with "tricks" and "skills". This is flowing on to other sports too, like Basketball, Rugby and League.
So the kids are driving what they want to learn and be able to do.

I suppose I'm saying for Many kids playing Soccer ".....the ability to play v ability to juggle etc." the ability to play is becomming secondary the ability to juggle is becomming primary for the kids.
This could be a factor in drop out rates as adult influences like coaches, parents club administrators become focused on results and the requirements of winning, as against individual performances and the fun aspect of the game.

Or is it OK for player developers to point to their best former student 5 years down the track and take credit?

I don't know. I suppose they could say they had a part. But I would guess a coach who is connecting with youth players and who's classes are at capacity would not necessarily need to do this.

I'm seriously interested in how you would make player developers accountable for their coaching?

Of course, if a player developer can point to a long and successful past career as a competitive coach then there'd be less reason to cast doubts over their reasons for opting for a safe and unaccountable role in player dev.


Accountability, is an interesting issue. For me its simple if after a session my kids have a smile on their faces then for me they are a good coach. If they want to go to the next session then they are a good coach.

From what I have seen many of the coaches have started out as Youth coaches, my two have actually coached seniors at a high level but "failed" in terms of results, not the other way around, starting as Senior coaches then working with Youth. While some of the top coaches at Senior level in Victoria should not be around kids while others will freely admit they don't have the patience to coach kids.
Pretty simple, from my perspective.

Edited by Arthur: 23/8/2012 11:40:32 AM

Edited by Arthur: 23/8/2012 11:45:28 AM
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Decentric wrote:
Judy Free wrote:
Decentric wrote:
Judy Free wrote:
distantfan wrote:
I have a lot of time for the coaching project run by Decentric and his co-coaches as it is free and he outlines clear principles on how to improve technique.


if only decentric had put his hand up and admitted to the kids/parents that he possesses no experience whatsoever, then I might be a little more encouraging of his pursuits. But like basher et al he suffers from delusions of grandeur, using smoke, mirrors and blantant bullshit to 'sell' himself to a naive public. Unforgiveable, from any angle.

Edited by judy free: 15/8/2012 07:31:48 AM


I must have about 13 years experience now having coached players from aged 8 - 30 of both genders.


Your coaching, in sanctioned tassie association competition, is limited to one short season, coaching an U11's girl's team no less. Everything else was either in the school playground or as an orange peeler in some micky mouse 5 a side comp.

Now please correct me if I am wrong, old boy. You owe it to your legion of three fans here.


Edited by judy free: 15/8/2012 05:04:16 PM



Troll.](*,)

All seasons have been as assistant or head coach or TD of teams in sanctioned FFA competitions from the age of under 8 upwards.

I've spent months and months in training courses. Currently I'm in a FFA specific target group for selected coaches to train players at a higher level than club training. I work with the state SAP trainer on a fortnightly basis designing training modules.

Now if your coaching history is scrutinized, because you are keen to discredit others, you have passed no FFA accredited courses in the last 14 years or so.
You have sufferered the ignominy of failing a refresher FFA Youth Licence - a fairly fundamental community coaching course that many people who read this board have passed. So rather than deconstruct training ground methodology that has been posted on this forum, why do you persist to launch personal attacks , when you could demonstrate knowledge by deconstructing football methodology?

My guess is you have been deemed a coach incapable of coaching in a different mode from the past, unable and unwilling to coach in a way to produce contemporary footballers at any level beyond very basic suburban junior coaching.

You are probably very bitter about this. This is why you live a useless existence trolling on the Internet.


Did he really fail the Youth license, holly crap I didnt think you could fail community courses I didnt even turn up on the assessment day and i still passed.
Seriously though whats with this attack so what if his experience comes form coaching u/11s girls side. Just an absolutley stupid and ignorant comment to make.


Edited by tjwhalan: 10/9/2012 07:40:56 PM
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Judy Free wrote:
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The most disappointing thing i find from my local association is they seem to devalue the FFA coaching badges which are handed out like lollies to coaches who should not be in a posiition to handle a child's development therefore academys praying on the ever indulgent parent.


Absolutely.

Like a driver's licence, any dimwit can get one.



No they can't. You failed a FFA Youth Licence, the third lowest FFA community coaching badge. Norm Boardman failed you.

A distant mate of mine, an experienced state youth coach, who has coached or been an assistant at numerous national championships, failed his B Licence last year, or, has to be assessed again. He passed the theory. 442's Andy Jackson passed the same course. I can't remember the instructor.

Three years ago, another rep coach I know failed his FFA Senior LIcence - the top level FFA Community Coaching course. At the time he was a rep coach, one tier below state level. According to a few veterans, the Senior Licence was assessed more rigorously then than the present. David Abela, now operating in Krones' neck of the woods, failed him, or, reassessed him.

Abela assessed me for my FFA Youth Licence some years ago.

Edited by Decentric: 10/9/2012 08:47:50 PM
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tjwhalan wrote:
Decentric wrote:
Judy Free wrote:
Decentric wrote:
Judy Free wrote:
distantfan wrote:
I have a lot of time for the coaching project run by Decentric and his co-coaches as it is free and he outlines clear principles on how to improve technique.


if only decentric had put his hand up and admitted to the kids/parents that he possesses no experience whatsoever, then I might be a little more encouraging of his pursuits. But like basher et al he suffers from delusions of grandeur, using smoke, mirrors and blantant bullshit to 'sell' himself to a naive public. Unforgiveable, from any angle.

Edited by judy free: 15/8/2012 07:31:48 AM


I must have about 13 years experience now having coached players from aged 8 - 30 of both genders.


Your coaching, in sanctioned tassie association competition, is limited to one short season, coaching an U11's girl's team no less. Everything else was either in the school playground or as an orange peeler in some micky mouse 5 a side comp.

Now please correct me if I am wrong, old boy. You owe it to your legion of three fans here.


Edited by judy free: 15/8/2012 05:04:16 PM



Troll.](*,)

All seasons have been as assistant or head coach or TD of teams in sanctioned FFA competitions from the age of under 8 upwards.

I've spent months and months in training courses. Currently I'm in a FFA specific target group for selected coaches to train players at a higher level than club training. I work with the state SAP trainer on a fortnightly basis designing training modules.

Now if your coaching history is scrutinized, because you are keen to discredit others, you have passed no FFA accredited courses in the last 14 years or so.
You have sufferered the ignominy of failing a refresher FFA Youth Licence - a fairly fundamental community coaching course that many people who read this board have passed. So rather than deconstruct training ground methodology that has been posted on this forum, why do you persist to launch personal attacks , when you could demonstrate knowledge by deconstructing football methodology?

My guess is you have been deemed a coach incapable of coaching in a different mode from the past, unable and unwilling to coach in a way to produce contemporary footballers at any level beyond very basic suburban junior coaching.

You are probably very bitter about this. This is why you live a useless existence trolling on the Internet.


Did he really fail the Youth license, holly crap I didnt think you could fail community courses I didnt even turn up on the assessment day and i still passed.
Seriously though whats with this attack so what if his experience comes form coaching u/11s girls side. Just an absolutley stupid and ignorant comment to make.


Edited by tjwhalan: 10/9/2012 07:40:56 PM


I apologise to those who are fed up of hearing it, but the under 12 team was a rep side.

They played about 19 games over 10 weeks and won the state championship.

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Judy Free wrote:

This is the tricky bit.

How would you judge the effectiveness of a player developer?

When does success on the park (the ability to play v ability to juggle etc) become a pointer to effective coaching?

Or is it OK for player developers to point to their best former student 5 years down the track and take credit?

I'm seriously interested in how you would make player developers accountable for their coaching?

Of course, if a player developer can point to a long and successful past career as a competitive coach then there'd be less reason to cast doubts over their reasons for opting for a safe and unaccountable role in player dev.



You still seem to misunderstand the difference between 'development' and 'results based' coaches. I've seen two coaches in a club academy coaching side by side, Chips.

Over a season one team won all games, but the players didn't develop as much as the other team, whose results weren't as good.

The team whose results weren't as good improved more on an individual basis. More of them went on to rep careers.

Some coaches can be better at one rather than the other. Ron Smith may be perceived to be a more successful development coach than a results based coach. If you are observing this Ron, since you've posted on here, would you agree?
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Decentric wrote:
I apologise to those who are fed up of hearing it, but the under 12 team was a rep side.

They played about 19 games over 10 weeks and won the state championship.


Ah mate, how could anyone ever get fed up hearing about how your 1433 girls, with inverted triangles, destroyed hobart's finest. Played like Barca, IIRC. Etched into forum folklore.

But a bit liberal with the truth there old mate. I don't know any coach on the mainland that who count hit and giggle practice games. Five competitive games.....now tell me Im wrong decetric.:cool:
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Judy Free wrote:
Decentric wrote:
I apologise to those who are fed up of hearing it, but the under 12 team was a rep side.

They played about 19 games over 10 weeks and won the state championship.


Ah mate, how could anyone ever get fed up hearing about how your 1433 girls, with inverted triangles, destroyed hobart's finest. Played like Barca, IIRC. Etched into forum folklore.

But a bit liberal with the truth there old mate. I don't know any coach on the mainland that who count hit and giggle practice games. Five competitive games.....now tell me Im wrong decetric.:cool:



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