Just showing the other side to your argument - they were Dormund players. Personally I wouldn't compare players to Juric. Amini has played pretty much no senior football (barring a loan at CCM) in 3 years.

That is ludicrous for a 21 year old.

Edited by tsf: 10/11/2014 10:33:45 AM

You sir are a moron.

By your reasoning anyone not playing in one of the top leagues in the world isn't playing senior football? Every game Amini plays is against men in a competitive league. No different to Luongo.

What an intelligent response. You also shot my point down with such precision. Thank you.

Why are you taking my comment as negative?

I'm just saying with his contract due to expire and he is seemingly nowhere near the first team (bench appearances aside), it is my opinion that he will be back in the A-league either at CCM or another team within the year.

Lets compare like for like.

In my opinion, Germany are the greatest football nation ever. We are so far off that level its not funny.

Very, very few Australians have played regular top flight/highest level football before they were 20.

The three I can think of are Kewell, Aloisi and Craig Moore. And he played for Rangers. There may be more but I can't find any.

Notable mentions should go to Zelic who was 22 when he was playing for Dortmund, Viduka who was 20 when he was playing for Zagreb but was 25 before he played EPL.

Looking back, Its looks like Craig Johnston was playing for Middlesborough when he was 18 but I'm not sure if that was top flight. Either way, he moved to Liverpool when he was 21.

We just don't produce world class teenagers like the superpowers do. Hopefully one day we will.

Hopefully the new Belgian TD makes a difference.

Couple for late tommorrow morning:

03:15WST / 06:15 AEDT    TSV 1860 Munchen - Fortuna Dusseldorf (Halloran) link
04:00WST / 07:00 AEDT    Havant and Waterlooville FC - Preston North End ( Wright/Kilkenny) link


Edited by highkick05: 11/11/2014 05:32:19 AM

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Get off your high horse fuckwit. You're not a mod.

In international football terms, 21 is not insanely young. It's young, but not insanely young. There are many world class footballers have been playing first team and national team football for several years by the age of 21. Look at the age of many players in the Bundesliga, EPL, La Liga, Serie A, etc. Look at Germany, Belgium, etc.

21 is insanely young for Australian footballers, but not by international standards.

The reason I raise this point is that it's unhelpful to our young players if we hold them to different standards compared to club coaches. I'm certainly not suggesting that 21 is too old to be playing for the 2s, and trying to break into a first team. But the problem is that while we may think it's insanely young, their coaches won't. Not when they have 16 year olds in the exact same position. I think it's better if we look at things through the lenses of international coaches.



By the same token, the reason that we don't have players like Messi, the German players, etc. is that our best players aren't getting to Europe early enough. I don't have a problem with comparing our players with the best in the world. It gives a sense of perspective. Why shouldn't we compare our players with the best? Because we don't like what we see. We don't have less talent. We just don't have the coaching or competition to enable our best players to get to that level fast enough. That means our players, if they want to be able to develop the technical skills and tactical awareness to compete with those brilliant players, should ideally go to Europe in their early-mid teens. The problem is that if a player goes to Europe in his twenties, he's several years behind European players, in terms of technical development and tactical awareness. It also makes it next to impossible for him to become world class. In order to become world class, they have to risk it and go to Europe young.

I get that pursuing this course of action isn't as safe as staying in the A-League and developing there. Doing that gives mroe chance of making it Europe, but it means they probably won't go further than being a solid performer for a reasonable team. The guys who really make your jaw drop go to Europe younger.

Just letting him know in case he wasn't aware - I didn't make any judgement - unlike you.

The irony of you of all people calling someone else a fuckwit ...

Edited by biscuitman1871: 10/11/2014 07:33:36 PM

Just to clarify with the mods, are we allowed to post streams for games that aren't shown in Australia?

Wha what where ? what streams i just pasted the times

Exactly - as long as the game isn't shown on TV in Australia, stream links are fine.

Sainsbury made team of the week.

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/5610/Eredivisie/article/detail/3786995/2014/11/10/Teams-die-kampioen-worden-blijven-altijd-geloven.dhtml

Good stuff, Sains! =d>

Sains and Wilko have been killing it with their clubs lately. In combination with Maty Ryan at the back who they both know well, we're looking OK for CBs when you throw Spira into the mix.

We have 3 really reliable CB's now. Wilko, Sainsbury and Spira. Makes me wonder if Ange's methods are paying off, would they have been doing this if he hadn't capped em and gave them some incentive ... that's the question

Amen

You make some good points.

The whole overhaul of Australian football development over the last decade is an attempt to rectify the exact concerns you talk about. By trying to improve technical development for children so they are not so far behind their European counterparts.

It is probably still to early to see if it is working.

Woah bic boiiii

lets not forget that Oar, Troisi and Jedinak are regularly the top performers in their clubs as well at the moment. Things are starting to look better.

By look better you mean we don't look massively out of place at World Cup's

there's no reason why we shouldnt be in the mix for the WC. the last 3 we have held our own.

ky.

The whole planet watched on as we were within a few minutes of winning against last WC's runner up. We were dealt the worst possible hand but came out with heads held high and plaudits from around the world.

Srs, ky.

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is that amini with two beautiful assists?

Halloran on the bench.

didn't realise they were 3rd position in Bundi 2 ol' Dusseldorf

03:15WST / 06:15 AEDT    TSV 1860 Munchen - Fortuna Dusseldorf (Halloran) link
04:00WST / 07:00 AEDT    Havant and Waterlooville FC - Preston North End ( Wright/Kilkenny) link

To clarify - we can ask for, and post up, streams for all football games that aren't A-league, EPL, FA Cup, Champions League (aka the leagues I can think of that are on Foxsports or ESPN)?