Agreed

Personally think it might suffer the same issues the thread did when it was stickied if it got its own subforum

Ikonomidis starting and playing 67 mins for the U20's in their 3-0 win over Avellino Saturday night. He was on the field for all three goals.

Agree. And then where would it end? Expansion subforum? One for each club? It'd be a mess.

Yeah that's true. Nuremberg and Telstar feature Aussies tonight.

who plays for nurnberg?

I thought the badge was Fortuna. They look the bloody same.

I thought the badge was Fortuna. They look the bloody same.

Telstar go down 0-1 at home to NEC

Dougal played a full shift and got a yellow. Quinn on the bench.

Andy Rose , born in Australia, but more to UK, not sure if he feel Australian or not...He was use as a sub in Seattle Sounders 2-1 game win over LA Galaxy, LA move to the final on away goals

Seattle Sounders must be a good team, won this year MLS Supporters' Shield (team top of both tables) and if we still feel that MLS is better the A-league, then a player like Andy Rose should be look at by A-league teams...Andy Rose would only be on min MLS wage , i think A-league min is higher

Who do we think might be the next young aussie to be transferred to Europe? Im thinking possibly Antonis and Mabil. We know that De Silva is off to AS Roma next season anyway.

for me, Antonis....the passing he make in the A-league, wow

but i don't want them leave on till 23 or 24 years old.....i'm no coach or expert on young players development,,but i Really don't see point of players like Oar or Sainsbury playing at bottom mid table dutch clubs...can we say for sure, that Oar has development more at he time at Utrecht, then he would have by staying in the A-league

It is hard to say really, the positives are probably just playing more games and adapting to a culture far away from home which helps build mental toughness

Plus you're in the shop window. Players in Europe have a much better chance of being scouted than those in Australia.

Edited by A16Man: 2/12/2014 12:45:29 PM

i think oar and sainsbury are probably 2 of the worst examples if you are trying to argue against a move to europe.

oar is 10 times the layer he was in brisbane. more games, better opposition, better club support, a chance at europa.

yes, shop window is why you play in Dutch and Belgium league, I really like the A-league to become that shop window for young Aussie players, and not have the need to go to a middle man (team)

yes, adapting to a culture far away from home does helps build mental toughness...And it been statistically proven across all sports, that players perform better at home , which equally means they under perform away from home, so Oar would have to play that little bit better

Oar was 17 years old when he left A-league, so there is a natural progression of a player as they age ...A-league has also progress over those 5 year, it a much higher standard today then 5 years ago, that not the same with the dutch league, it well down today then 5 years ago..i look at team Oar in at Utrecht, they don't have any international players (only Oar) they don't have any players who played in EPL, Italy, Spain. france 1st league games, they don't have any Ajax, PSV ex players, there must be some benefits to .Antonis playing with both Emerton and .Del Piero that Oar hasn't got at Utrecht ..I'am not saying your wrong, i just saying when i look, I see reason why this might not be true





Edited by adrtho: 2/12/2014 01:47:56 PM

In fairness he did say that Oar developed more at Utrecht than he would have at the Roar. The A-League has of course improved dramatically in that time, but the point stands.

Edited by paladisious: 2/12/2014 01:57:19 PM

Jens Toornstra, Ricky van Wolfswinkel, Kevin Strootman and Michel Vorm all got their first Netherlands caps while at Utrecht in recent years and are now at Feyenoord, Norwich City (via Sporting Lisbon), Roma (via PSV) and Tottenham (via Swansea) respectively.

As far as accessible shop windows go, a club like Utrecht is pretty close to the ideal. We say Eredivise, Jupiler or Buli.2 for a reason, you know! :lol:

only Michel Vorm was really developed at Utrecht , but Utrecht is a very good shop window

that name :lol:

I think you can add Dries Mertens to that list, who got his first Belgium cap in 2011, then went on to PSV and now Napoli. He actually directly kept Oar out of the team for the first few years.

interesting that 4 of those players left Utrecht in 2011., Jens Toornstra was still at ADO Den Haag

Liverpool, WBA and Crystal Palace allocating in the morning. Crystal Palace the only realistic chance.

Club Brugge and Zulte to play in the Belgian cup tonight. Not sure if Ryan and Troisi will be expected to play.

Some of the issues in addition to playing football (an EU passport probably helps a lot to get ahead too, no work permit/residency issues), are social. Different culture, sometimes language, no close friends/relatives, lacking life experience etc..

Players need to choose the right country or league in 'Europe' preferably Eridivisie standard, or thereabouts e.g. Bunedesliega 2, Turkey, Belgium etc. where matches are covered extensively in media, and in the shop window. Several have gone up dead ends in Romania, Poland, Mid East etc.....

You'd think managers and/or mentors could clue them up a bit on how to get over culture shock etc., e.g. learn language or study to meet normal people, stay with a local/club family etc., and choose clubs that actually give players the whole 'development' package.

What a surprise, listening to BBC 5Live wrap of EPL, Tim Vickery pops up saying how South American players coming into their own in the EPL because of the support nowadays. This is vs. some years ago, he said about one who went to an EPL club, wife seriosuly ill, no support, started playing badly... very different now, welfare officers etc.. The other famous one was a highly paid recruit to top EPL team, spoke no English, and had to sort his own apartment rental etc......

Funny you just talk about this a Quota by West Bron manger today

Jedinak starting. Davidson not even in squad,pffff, Baird starting. Fans are fuming as even Gamboa is benched.

yes...West Bron fans are going crazy, over this manger, not even trying different....if West Bron lose tonight , he be sack

"Jason Davidson did not look happy leaving the players car park! And he hit one of the other cars #wba"
-Some chick on Twitter

You can't make this up lol poor bloke