you're going to be hated for speaking like that :lol:

no fucking way Janko MOM ...they give MOM to a defender who played no part in any of the 6 goals :lol:

Rogic killed that game in 1st half, 2nd half it didn't matter the game was over

Nah, even the SPL fans on here would probably agree with me. And its not a criticism of Scotland given they have a small population. I would be fairly confident that the SPL is the best league in Europe for countries with about 5 million people. The other options are Denmark, Ireland, Croatia, Norway, Finland and Slovakia.

he to old to be in Primavera squad ? it's a un19 competition which means 18 and 17 years olds? ...wasn't Chris playing in the special slot for 19 years old last year?....come to think about it, thios would mean Chris has been promoted to Soccerroos team on the back of being in a special category of older players in a 17 and 18 year old age competition

those 13 player bench that Serie A uses, does see many players sit the whole season on the bench

Cyprus is better league :lol: they only have 300,000 people

Scots press snd Celtic fans massively talking up rogic. Great to see.

Unless they've changed the rules again, wiki has it as "At the discretion of the league, teams are allowed a maximum of four "non-quota" players, of which one has no age limit and the rest must be under 20 in the year that the season begins." So they definitely could have, but considering the new contract and the unwillingness to loan him it seems they see him in the seniors.

Well, you and melbourne terrace are, undoubtedly, legit fans. I daresay there are some others on this forum. A legit Celtic fan is somebody who genuinely follows Celtic and did well before Rogic turned up there. A good deal of the time, imo, a legit Celtic fan will actually be Scottish (or at least have been brought up by Scots) and have followed Celtic from when they were wee. But that's not necessary to be a legit fan (it's just a trend), they can have started following football later and they can be from Uzbekistan.

Those who aren't legit fans are the ones who have started following Celtic because Rogic joined them. Or, like me, have just decided that Celtic will be their Scottish team of choice because a few family members like Celtic and they bought a Celtic top on the cheap in Goa.

Ain't nothing wrong with being a non-legit fan, as long as you don't pretend otherwise.

that mean only one over age spot, as Chris was 20 years old in May (before season start) and I would guess that clubs keep that one over age spot free for any senior player who needed some game time

sure, unwillingness to loan him out...but Brillante was on the bench 19 times for Empoli and he seen 3 minutes of game time ...those big Serie A bench see many players not play

and talking about Brillante , it's interesting how he been almost forgot for a soccerroo team...Brillante a lest played some game time in Serie A last year ...


Edited by adrtho: 21/9/2015 11:27:41 PM

I support no team. Just aussies and Melbourne.

That's fine. I'm not having a go at people who want to see Rogic do well with Celtic, the Rodaroos do well, the Ikon with Lazio, etc. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

Just pointing out that such people aren't exactly authentic fans of the club and are usually less well-versed on the club than others who follow the club religiously irrespective of whether Australians are playing or not. And there's nothing wrong with that. I've got a shitload of different football tops (mostly bought in Goa and Thailand) but the only club I consider myself a fan of is Liverpool. I did follow Victory, but I just want to see the A-League improve generally. Oh and I'm trying to get around IF Elfsborg

Wow didn't know that about Chris. It's is extraordinary that you can get a socceroos cap without having played senior football .
There is another thread about credibility of australian youth coachs , this could be raised there.

He was scoring week in, week out for Lazio's Primavera team, training with the first team. Based on that, it's not an unreasonable hypothesis to argue he was involved in a higher level of football than the A-League.

Additionally, Australia doesn't have any goalscorers, aside from Cahill. The A-League has produced bugger all up front. We're pinning our hopes on Juric and Bulut, at the minute. Then, of course, there was the option for Chris to play for Greece (although I doubt he would have even given it serious thought, based on what I've heard from him and his family).

I agree it's not ideal to give senior caps to blokes who haven't played senior football yet. But, in the circumstances, it was a perfectly reasonable decision. Add to that, the Ikon has been decent when we've seen him play for the Socceroos.

you don't know this, Because not enough people on 442 can give you a alternative opinion . with out facing a backlash from mob rule

are you saying ..Italy under 19 year old league, is better then A-league?

Mustafa Amini was playing in a higher quality League each week, and getting to train with a better team each week in Dortmund...Mustafa Amini wasn't playing with a majority of 17 and 18 years old

it's also hard to take in, that at 2014 AFC U-19 Championship Chris was replace in the starting team after the 1st game by Jaushua Sotirio

it's just ridiculous

Edited by adrtho: 22/9/2015 01:18:23 AM

I find it somewhat cringe seeing people list a team for each country. It's stupid.

I'm happy on my island supporting players that u4 allegedly played with make it big in Europe while he is on 442 with us losers who would probably struggle to make it in the thirds for a team in the 6th div. :lol:

Lynx

Holy fuck the narcissism is strong in this thread.

For a bloke that was going on about how post counts and forum reputations don't mean shit he sure does like to organise a bit of self administered fellatio.

Josip Konyit leaving Croatia for German 4th tier club Bahlinger SC.

reading you're last 10 post...almost nothing about football, expressing an opinion about football , or the game....it just one long put down or some smart ass comment

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=profile&u=14436

i like this one , it's almost like a replay to me





Edited by adrtho: 22/9/2015 01:34:09 AM

Ummmm, I don't think it's that bad when people have a team they follow in each country. But obviously it's hard to adhere to. Some people just really love football and they get around various leagues. It's easier to follow it properly when there's a team you support. In most cases, only one or two teams will be the ones you truly support, but you'll take an interest in others from different leagues.

So with me. It was basically always Liverpool from a fairly small age, as my mother supported them and also because Michael Owen is God. As I'm from Melbourne, I followed Victory. Because of family, I was interested in Celtic. I really liked the style of football that Bayern Munich played, so I paid a good deal of attention to them (but I can't say I really cared when they lost, so not much of a fan). And ditto the contributions that Ajax Amsterdam to football in general, so I paid attention to them too. A lot of my mates are from Sweden and one of my closest pals is from Borås, so I'm trying to get around IF Elfsborg (but battle to watch the games).

Don't get me wrong, as I've said from the outset, there's nothing wrong with supporting the Australian players in Europe. I do the same. This season, I especially want to see Rogic make big inroads, the Ikon get some gametime and show his ability, the blokes at Roda play regularly, and Langerak and Ryan playing a lot and play well.

This all stems from the distinction I pointed out to BrisbaneBhoy; there is a bit of a difference between a proper Celtic fan (irrespective of who plays for them) and those of us (myself included) who just want to see the likes of Tom Rogic succeed at Celtic. The former is also more likely to know more about the club.

That doesn't sound sanctimonious does it?

I'm not suggesting there's anything wrong with following these clubs purely because there are Australians playing there or that we should be obliged to support a club properly.

Edited by quickflick: 22/9/2015 01:46:32 AM

Fair point but the only hole in your argument is that he has only played as a winger for both socceroos and young socceroos when I have seen him. I may be wrong

Artho - fair point as well about amini, I guess thats where the luck of the draw comes into it.

By the way speaking of Dortmund I have heard from my mate that young kid Gorgovski is doing well, has been approached with offers for longer term deals.

Steady on, pal. I've agreed with you in the past insofar as players without EU passports are, by extension, at a disadvantage.

Ikonomidis was training with the Lazio first team (that's huge, how many other Australian players train at that level?). He was one of the best players in the Primavera. Note, he wasn't just playing there, he was dominating. We have no goalscorers.

And I'm not sure that the Primavera is a higher quality than the A-League but I will say this. Thus far, the A-League has failed to produce quality in certain areas (hopefully it's on the mend now). The Primavera is the feeder for the Serie A. This is one of the best leagues in the world.

All I am saying is that it's hardly the most outrageous call ever, given there was bugger all in the stable.

great, Jamie in the perfect subgroup to be pick for Australia...Australia, with EU passport

He is a winger. But a winger who was scoring basically every game in the Primavera. Other than Cahill, we don't have many blokes who are scoring regularly in the first place. So I don't think it's that much of a hole in the argument. A goal's a goal. Plus some wingers are just good goalscorers.

Additionally, I think, given sheer lack of strikers, Australia may be forced to convert a winger to a striker for Russia 2018 (assuming we qualify).

In this country, thinking outside the box is regarded as heresy. But it's about time people used their imagination. Thierry Henry was a winger (who had won a World Cup at that position) whom Arsene Wenger decided to convert to a striker. Granted, there aren't many wingers or strikers in the world of that calibre. But the point still stands. I think we need to convert one of the younger wingers to a striker for the next World Cup.

A goal is a goal but a goal scored by wingers are generally different in terms of type and positioning than ones scored by strikers. To name just one major difference is the ability to play with back to goal for a striker and turning to shoot.

And as pointed out by artho he was scoring as a 19 yold against 17 & 18 yold, . That league can not be compared to the a league where you play against fully physically developed men.

Edited by robbo: 22/9/2015 02:12:11 AM

do you actually know how many Goals he scored in Primavera last year? i see statement like that you made alot in here, that he score a goal every game ...but how many Goals did he score last year?

Can you wiki it for me lad?

it's not in wiki ...but was about 1 goal in ever 3 games ....it just feel like it more, because it's got talk about so much

You're not allowed to put youth games and goals in the info box on wiki.

He scored 18 goals in 25 games in all competitions for the Primavera squad last season, and got a buttload of assists. He was certainly their standout player.