Perths crowds were going down before the A-league, in fact our crowds grew in the first season of the A-league. no one gives a shit if FFA don't publicly admit our success in the NSL, it isn't a major concern to whinge about which people love doing on here.

Edited by aussie4ever4: 9/2/2013 08:47:55 PM

Did you read the article? Of the 25 million rumoured to have been lost, 11 of that was on GC and 10 on discretionary spending such as marquees. So if we believe those numbers that's about 4 million net which isn't too bad, and will be covered by the TV deal kicking in next year. Onwards and upwards

Heart got over 6k playing bottom of the ladder Perth.

Not quite as bad as everyone wants to make out.:^o

Warning, using facts in a fact free zone...

;)

Just updated the title of this thread

Heart need a Marquee

Perhaps Justin Bieber in goals - they seem to be attracting a very young crowd

It's very bad

6k in Melbourne for a multi ethnic - mainstream club in a city of 4.5 million is shit

South had 12.7 k on a Wednesday night v the same team

And there were a lot more glory fans at the game tonight compared to the south game


If south played Heart in a friendly - there would be more south fans and the Heart know it which is why they have played just about every one else except us


Edited by chris: 9/2/2013 10:10:11 PM

Edited by chris: 9/2/2013 10:12:21 PM

So marquees don't count as losses?

Are you having a laugh or drunk on Johnny Black?

What a ridiculous rebuttal.

Let's get one thing straight..WITHOUT MARQUEES ALEAGUE CROWDS WOULD PLUMMET.

ADP has singled handedly bumped all KPI figures of the league up this season but he will also result in a 4-5 million dollar loss for Sydney.

The aleague is operating on the same model as the NASL in the 70s & 80s where even the likes of Pele, Beckenbauer, Carlos Alberto, George Best, Giorgio Chinaglia could not prevent the league from financial catastrophe.

Marquee players back then, as now were CERTAINLY COUNTED IN THE BALANCE SHEET.

Clubs who get anywhere near breaking even do so by selling their best players after 1 season, ie CCM & Heart. Players were staying longer in the NSL & when combined with Asia being an attractive destination for average players, the aleague is left with rubbish locals and 5th tier South American players yet still somehow manage to loose 25-30 million a season.

Top work Sir Frank!!

Adelaide United no international marquee crowds up twenty per cent yet to play ADP
Brisbane Roar no aussie marquee crowds up five per cent
Central Coast Mariners no marquees crowds up over ten per cent
Melbourne Heart no aussie marquee crowds down two per cent
Melbourne Victory yet to play ADP at home crowds up over nine per cent
Newcastle Jets no aussie marquee crowds up over nine per cent
Perth Glory no aussie marquee crowds up over nine per cent
Wellington Phoenix no marquees crowds down



Melbourne Victory and Wellington Phoenix don't count?

Edited by Joffa: 9/2/2013 11:08:25 PM

How many Australian footballers overseas these days ?

Heart were lucky to get 6096 considering there were 200+ traveling away supporters most coming from Perth on their annual Tour of Duty.

12.7k in a city of 4.5 million is shit, and that's when Perth were a force back then.

Going by your logic Victory crowds of 20k in a city of 4.5 million is shit as well, in fact all A league crowds wuld be shit. But they still shit on South and the NSL.

The only reason South might get more fans to a friendly than Heart is because Heart fans wouldn't give a flying fark about some shit meaningless friendly against some piddly state league club.

Yeah all these bumper crowds and super marquee signings are horrible aren't they. :cry:

It was much better in the NSL when the biggest foreign signings were bona fide superstars like Commins Menapi and Andre Gumprecht, who needs ADP when you've got crowd magnets like those guys.

On a serious note the A leagues most successful year in terms of crowds was 2007/08 and the only notable marquee signing that year was Juninho, and he was injured most of the time.

Marquees definiely provide a boost but they're not the be all and end all. Most clubs have managed well enough without them without suffering a significant dip in crowds.

This season has proven "no marquee no aleague" that is the point this league is at.

The average punter has realized the NRL & AFL are world class competitions, heck even the NBL compares well to Europe whereas the aleague lingers around English conference standard.

Without ADP, crowds and ratings would be down this season and I don't blame the average punter for their boycott on the league when ADP is not present.

One off marquees like Beardsley and Rush achieved similar short term hysteria in the NSL but do not provide for longetivity in support.

As for the NSL, Gumprecht proved a serviceable player even in the aleague, however, permanent imports like Ivanovic, Marusic & Awaritefe are light years away from being matched due to the non-networked & crap scouting system that has evolved in the aleague.

The above mentioned players were genuine quality and contributed to the Australian football landscape over many years during their prime. Not flash in the pan marquee players who held the Australian game to ransom.

Edited by southfan: 10/2/2013 08:55:23 AM

If Souf Melburn were so good they'd be in the A-League wouldn't they?

LOL can't believe this thread is still going strong!

basically

Would you want a club in your league that wants to kill another club to get in, or would you rather a club that wants to get in by growing the game?

Did you just compare the NBL to European Basketball Leagues? lol
Proof south melbourne fans are stuck in the 90's.

Hahahaha

Awarifite played for Conference clubs and clubs below conference standard before coming to the NSL
Marusic had glamour European clubs like 'Radnik Velika Gorica' and 'Segesta Sisak' on his resume before making the step down to the NSL. Obviously these guys were the dregs of conference equivalent leagues in Europe but found by playing in the NSL they could forge decent careers for themselves.

"Genuine quality" Hahahahaha - probably only by the low low low NSL standards prevalent at the time. But thanks for the laugh.

It would seem Beardsely and Rush did not provide "longevity in support" as you say, but it also seems that nothing provided longevity in support since NSL crowds were always so pathetic.

Now if South could pull of a coup like ADP you would be doing cartwheels, but since you cant and never could afford such a thing it's natural that petty jealousy is fueling your antagosim for marquees and clouding your thinking.

We have one of the greatest players ever on our shores and you can only find reasons to be negative - what a twat.:roll:

What benefits would South over heart
Strong derby with victory - heart and victory already sell out the mosque
Bigger crowds than heart - 20+ years of NSL figures prove they never beat heart average even in a good season
home ground -a ground fox reject
youth system - meh
history - meh like that matters anymore


go home souths your drunk

Edited by GDeathe: 10/2/2013 12:29:26 PM

Fixed

Interesting even in the NSL how an mono ethnic club can drag down a broadbased club that has no ethnic ties. No reason why South Melbourne Hellas would not do the same.

Well said Joffa. I'm pretty sure that South would be willing to kill the A league if that's what it took. This is not a club that wants to make a contribution to Australian football and help grow the game, rather this club is entirely self serving and it seems permanently stuck in another era.

Average NSL crowd in 1985 was 2,200 :oops:

Joffa i have read what you have written over many years and i dont think you have said anything better than this. what you have said is basically what it comes down to it. South melb and its fans want to get into a league they despised because they werent the first team thought of and chosen.. and now they want to join because another club might not have great crowd numbers???? that to me sounds like two faced hypocritical people [-x .. besides your much talked about lakeside oval is really no where near a-league standards on more than one front. as i have said on one of the hundred or more threads on this subject SMFC fans should concentrate on getting the FFA to get CUP style comp going... be the ones in the frontline doing all of this .. prommoting it and selling it not only to the heirachy but the general public then somewhere down the line i am sure you would find few people objecting to you joining the a-league... but NOOO you guys instead come into forums like this and all you do is alienate the very fans of the league that you want to join.. :roll:

Edited by danieljames: 10/2/2013 12:37:44 PM

cheers, the other disconcerting fact is they want to join on their terms and not be beholden to the same rules as everyone else....because they believe they can do it better.

I think that was the average most years.

unfortunately that is sad but true... i still cant imagine a club that barely pulls in 1000 to a game now how they can on a regular basis pull in a crowd of at least 7000 =; ..they can speak all the rhetoric they like but until they pull in crowds of at least 4-5 thousand on a regular basis in the state league then they are wasting everyones time.[-(

I have no doubt they believe that can do it better, and believe with absolute conviction if they get in they WILL do it better, but the ultimate reality is they wont.

And once the cracks start to appear they would never admit fault, they would blame the FFA, the other teams, Heart (even if it were dead), the weather, the economy, Tony Abbott, the marquees, anything other than themselves. Accountability and recognising weakness is not their strong point.