The A-league Expansion Thread


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Iridium1010 wrote:
So is this the 50,000 seater stadium?



Only one in Malaysia I can find that holds 50k.


Wow.

That must be cyclone damage, surely.




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HAL will never be more than Aus and NZ.

Asking for more is pure delirium.

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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hotrod wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
So is this the 50,000 seater stadium?



Only one in Malaysia I can find that holds 50k.


Wow.

That must be cyclone damage, surely.


Collapsed while re-constructing.
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Well, they've got something in common with Wollongong then.
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Iridium1010 wrote:
hotrod wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
So is this the 50,000 seater stadium?



Only one in Malaysia I can find that holds 50k.


Wow.

That must be cyclone damage, surely.


Collapsed while re-constructing.


They should give us the contract to build one for them ;)
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paulbagzFC wrote:
HAL will never be more than Aus and NZ.

Asking for more is pure delirium.

-PB


I'm supportive of the Fury's return to the top flight and you PB, but disagree with the above.
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WaMackie wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
HAL will never be more than Aus and NZ.

Asking for more is pure delirium.

-PB


I'm supportive of the Fury's return to the top flight and you PB, but disagree with the above.


It will never happen. EVER.

Viennese Vuck

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WaMackie wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
HAL will never be more than Aus and NZ.

Asking for more is pure delirium.

-PB


I'm supportive of the Fury's return to the top flight and you PB, but disagree with the above.


Townsville is part of Australia, not Indonesia or Thailand or any other country like that.

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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Well hopefully by next year with the NPL commencing in Victoria, western australia and northern new sourh wales joining the othe other five state leagues we don't really need to worry to much with expansion into the a-league but rather getting teams built strong in the NPL.

There is no reason that all of Australia will have a local team to support whether their local team is only NPL.

But for the unlimited amount of times this has been debated Canberra and Wollongong look the most likely.

Looking forward to hearing how the NPL final between south Hobart and Sydney united 58 goes. To see a former NSL team and a team in a market we are trying to develop into hopefully a full time a-league market in Tasmania this should be an interesting match.

With the NPL expansion no longer needs to be forced but rather promote teams when they are ready.
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Hi,
FIrst time poster.

After reading the above thread, I felt obliged to say a SE Asian expansion would be positive for the A-League. The Malaysians, Singaporeans and Indonesians are crazy about football. Imagine the A League getting another set of fans as passionate as the Victory and the Wanderers supporters and don't worry about the money side because those three countries have a lot of money to pump into to team. Sure there are tax issues and problems to overcome but it can work (think Monaco in the French league). While I am all up for an Australian expansion, you have to realize Australia is a very small country in terms of population. Hobart has a population of 216,000. For them to get a crowd of 20,000 people that means 10% of the whole population (babies included) have to turn up to a game. Singapore on the other hand has a population of 5 million people. But its not just the crowd atmosphere, think of the TV money we can get and think of the opportunities that Australian players can get. An additional Malaysian team will not be entirely composed of Malaysian or "Asian" players there will be their fair share of Aussie players as well (think of the Aussies or in the case of Durate ex Aussies in the Nix). This means an extra 5 or 10 players will get contracts they otherwise wouldn't have gotten. And if these teams are successful, them and their TV MONEY and MARKETING REVENUE can subside the regional teams like your Hobart's, your Fury's and even if the crowd figures are below 10,000. Who knows they might even be able to support a country team in Orange. ITS A WIN WIN!
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If money is all that matters, sure. Lets go to SE asia and make a shit load.

I however think that developing a strong league here is the better way to go for australian football, which seems like we can do since we are projecting profits for the first time ever. So why even entertain the idea as if we need them when we clearly don't?

I do think we should try to find other avenues of trying to get support of our league in the region and maybe actually adapting the 4+1 rule (which would also help us in ACL) and perhaps snatching up some of their best players to grow the presence there.


Edited by tbitm: 10/10/2013 07:58:50 AM
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Making money and developing our own clubs aren't mutually exclusive. There's a long way to go before we reach 20 clubs in the a league. So there's plenty of room for an additional 2 or 3 asian teams and ten or so Aussie teams. Sure the quality of our football is better than theirs. If it wasn't they wouldn't be interested. Quite frankly it's in their best long term interest to develop their own league but its our best interest to increase the market share. The afl guys would love the opportunity that we have. Lets not let it go to waste.
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hazzal wrote:
Hi,
FIrst time poster.

After reading the above thread, I felt obliged to say a SE Asian expansion would be positive for the A-League. The Malaysians, Singaporeans and Indonesians are crazy about football. Imagine the A League getting another set of fans as passionate as the Victory and the Wanderers supporters and don't worry about the money side because those three countries have a lot of money to pump into to team. Sure there are tax issues and problems to overcome but it can work (think Monaco in the French league). While I am all up for an Australian expansion, you have to realize Australia is a very small country in terms of population. Hobart has a population of 216,000. For them to get a crowd of 20,000 people that means 10% of the whole population (babies included) have to turn up to a game. Singapore on the other hand has a population of 5 million people. But its not just the crowd atmosphere, think of the TV money we can get and think of the opportunities that Australian players can get. An additional Malaysian team will not be entirely composed of Malaysian or "Asian" players there will be their fair share of Aussie players as well (think of the Aussies or in the case of Durate ex Aussies in the Nix). This means an extra 5 or 10 players will get contracts they otherwise wouldn't have gotten. And if these teams are successful, them and their TV MONEY and MARKETING REVENUE can subside the regional teams like your Hobart's, your Fury's and even if the crowd figures are below 10,000. Who knows they might even be able to support a country team in Orange. ITS A WIN WIN!


They have their own proffessional leagues!!!!!!!! they arnt going to pay to watch some stupid franchise from an Australian league. Think of the ridiculous travel expenses.
Theres just no valid argument for it ](*,) ](*,)
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Decazz wrote:
hazzal wrote:
Hi,
FIrst time poster.

After reading the above thread, I felt obliged to say a SE Asian expansion would be positive for the A-League. The Malaysians, Singaporeans and Indonesians are crazy about football. Imagine the A League getting another set of fans as passionate as the Victory and the Wanderers supporters and don't worry about the money side because those three countries have a lot of money to pump into to team. Sure there are tax issues and problems to overcome but it can work (think Monaco in the French league). While I am all up for an Australian expansion, you have to realize Australia is a very small country in terms of population. Hobart has a population of 216,000. For them to get a crowd of 20,000 people that means 10% of the whole population (babies included) have to turn up to a game. Singapore on the other hand has a population of 5 million people. But its not just the crowd atmosphere, think of the TV money we can get and think of the opportunities that Australian players can get. An additional Malaysian team will not be entirely composed of Malaysian or "Asian" players there will be their fair share of Aussie players as well (think of the Aussies or in the case of Durate ex Aussies in the Nix). This means an extra 5 or 10 players will get contracts they otherwise wouldn't have gotten. And if these teams are successful, them and their TV MONEY and MARKETING REVENUE can subside the regional teams like your Hobart's, your Fury's and even if the crowd figures are below 10,000. Who knows they might even be able to support a country team in Orange. ITS A WIN WIN!


They have their own proffessional leagues!!!!!!!! they arnt going to pay to watch some stupid franchise from an Australian league. Think of the ridiculous travel expenses.
Theres just no valid argument for it ](*,) ](*,)


This they'd rather watch their own league with their own teams. If indonesia started a league here with new teams would you stop watching the A-League and supporting your club?

Viennese Vuck

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Its just so fucking stupid, its like the FA setting up a premier league franchise in Iceland ffs.
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imagine the outroar when wellington phenux vs perf glory is no longer the distance derby.
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2 more teams, 6 games a round sounds about right for the A-League

Also for the next broadcast agreement, the last round of the season should have all the games on at the same time
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Quote:
A-League mulls Asia expansion plan

Malaysia welcomed Australia's plan to expand its domestic A-League into Asia but other potential partners were more guarded on Wednesday.

Singapore said it wanted to hear more details, while an Indonesian official said the country had had no contact with Australia over the proposal.

The comments come after A-League head Damien de Bohun raised the prospect of games staged in Asia - and involving clubs based around the region - as early as the 2014-2015 season.

Australia is hosting the region's biggest football tournament, the Asian Cup, involving the continent's top national teams, in early 2015.

With countries like Singapore and Malaysia having their own domestic leagues, it was not clear how any prospective team would also be able to play in the A-League.

But Hamidin Mohamad Amin, secretary-general of the Football Association of Malaysia (FAM), was upbeat over the possible tie-up with the 10-team Australian league.

"It will be good for the development of football in Malaysia. We can send our team to Australia. As you know Australian football standard is high - World Cup standard," he told AFP.

"Football is also an economic driver. Businesses can benefit and make money as more fans will travel across Asia to watch their team play," Hamidin said.

"With top-quality teams playing, more fans can be expected to come to the stadiums to support their teams. It will fill up our stadiums and help promote the game further," he added.

A Football Association of Singapore spokesperson said there had been talks but no decision about hosting A-League matches during the Asian Cup.

"FAS was contacted about the possibility of hosting A-League matches during the 2015 Asian Cup campaign in Australia, however we are waiting further details and we will make an announcement in due course,” the spokesperson said.

However, Indonesian Football Federation secretary-general Joko Driyono said he was not aware of any discussions with the A-league.

"We are trying to develop a strong domestic league - we already have our own clubs, so I don't see how the A-league could expand here using its name," he said.

"If they wanted to change the name and propose a regional league, we could talk about that."

He added that Southeast Asian countries were more closely concentrated on the long-discussed Asean Super League, which he said may finally take off by 2016 or 2017.

"At the moment, Southeast Asian countries are focused on the Asean Super League as a regional competition," he said.

"So if Australia wanted to be part of a regional league, it would be at least five or 10 years before we could really think about starting a new one."
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/373839/aussie-a-league-asia-expansion-plan-gets-mixed-reception

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I don't want any addition of Asian teams into the a-league. The more foreign teams we let enter the a-league the less control we will have over how we run the league and future developments that we want to take place.
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macktheknife wrote:
Well, they've got something in common with Wollongong then.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Oh yeah and I know I'm a bit late, but thanks paladisious for posting that video about the Wolves and Football South Coast. Was a good watch.

Edited by A16Man: 10/10/2013 04:50:40 PM
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Queensland has twice the participation rate than Victoria so any notion that the future is in Tardland should be squashed.



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if the FFA want an international comp, id say Canberra and Auckland would be the next two in, if they want a purely Australian comp it should be Canberra and Wollongong/South Coast
the next expansion period sets the tone
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hazzal wrote:
Hi,
FIrst time poster.

After reading the above thread, I felt obliged to say a SE Asian expansion would be positive for the A-League. The Malaysians, Singaporeans and Indonesians are crazy about football. Imagine the A League getting another set of fans as passionate as the Victory and the Wanderers supporters and don't worry about the money side because those three countries have a lot of money to pump into to team. Sure there are tax issues and problems to overcome but it can work (think Monaco in the French league). While I am all up for an Australian expansion, you have to realize Australia is a very small country in terms of population. Hobart has a population of 216,000. For them to get a crowd of 20,000 people that means 10% of the whole population (babies included) have to turn up to a game. Singapore on the other hand has a population of 5 million people. But its not just the crowd atmosphere, think of the TV money we can get and think of the opportunities that Australian players can get. An additional Malaysian team will not be entirely composed of Malaysian or "Asian" players there will be their fair share of Aussie players as well (think of the Aussies or in the case of Durate ex Aussies in the Nix). This means an extra 5 or 10 players will get contracts they otherwise wouldn't have gotten. And if these teams are successful, them and their TV MONEY and MARKETING REVENUE can subside the regional teams like your Hobart's, your Fury's and even if the crowd figures are below 10,000. Who knows they might even be able to support a country team in Orange. ITS A WIN WIN!


Welcome to the forum.

My problems are that they already have their own pro leagues, it kind of reeks of plasticness.

While I can see the benefit of Asian teams, as you point out, money, exposure, bigger clubs, on-field I'm not seeing much of a benefit, and surely our main goal should be to develop football in Australia and in Australian cities(NZ also), 9 teams in Australia is simply not enough, if there are clubs with big backers willing to pay for an Australian team, they should get in before any Asian team.

The max i would go is to allow teams in from countries that can't support their own professional leagues.

Williamn wrote:
imagine the outroar when wellington phenux vs perf glory is no longer the distance derby.


This is the main concern.

Edited by iridium1010: 10/10/2013 04:07:29 PM
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paladisious wrote:
ABC wrote:
Wolves hungry for return to national football competition
Posted Fri 4 Oct 2013, 8:20pm AEST

The soccer community of the Illawarra recalls the rise and fall of the Wollongong Wolves - once national champions, the Wolves are dreaming of a glorious return into the thriving A-League competition.

Nick Mclaren
Source: 7.30 New South Wales | Duration: 8min 12sec

Video here.


Cheers for that mate, awesome stuff :D
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ideas of having asian teams in the a-league is absurd. should remain an australian nz competition
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@Iridium - I know what you're saying, but surely if a country can't support its own league it can't support a HAL team either. Who would that be? PNG or Pacific Island nations? Why would we want them?
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ideas of having asian teams in the a-league is absurd. should remain an australian nz competition

I think it's all just a bit of fluff. I remember during the last expansion how Lowy suggested the idea of an Oceanian island team, which never eventuated to anything.
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4wanderer4 wrote:
paladisious wrote:
ABC wrote:
Wolves hungry for return to national football competition
Posted Fri 4 Oct 2013, 8:20pm AEST

The soccer community of the Illawarra recalls the rise and fall of the Wollongong Wolves - once national champions, the Wolves are dreaming of a glorious return into the thriving A-League competition.

Nick Mclaren
Source: 7.30 New South Wales | Duration: 8min 12sec

Video here.


Cheers for that mate, awesome stuff :D


So it's the 'South Coast Wolves' ok, that makes sense. Though they were talking a separate 'South Coast bid' initially! But yeah, Edy De Gabriele, SC Chairman, their bid has been around for AGES - good to see it's still going. They will get in, some point.

Jacob Timpano! :cool:

Still believe, expansion into NSW needs to be given a break - first preference a return to QLD. Ipswich and another, probably Canberra. THEN South Coast and Fury taking it to 14. That's best scenario I think. Or even swap Canberra and South Coast, if it's seen strategically best.

Edited by gloryperth: 10/10/2013 05:17:07 PM
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The Maco wrote:
if the FFA want an international comp, id say Canberra and Auckland would be the next two in, if they want a purely Australian comp it should be Canberra and Wollongong/South Coast
the next expansion period sets the tone


Auckland's been tried and failed in both NSL & A-League guise.
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