The A-league Expansion Thread


The A-league Expansion Thread

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TheSelectFew - 8 Apr 2018 4:53 PM
Expansion is definitely NOT happening. 

Unfortunately it most likely will

Current FFA staff need to pretend they are doing something

They'll keep taking their pay cheques for as long as possible til it all falls in a heap

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Gyfox - 8 Apr 2018 5:15 PM
TheSelectFew - 8 Apr 2018 4:53 PM

Snottydramas has spoken.

Voice of Reason*

What makes you think they will now expand. Do you believe in the Easter Bunny.


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TheSelectFew - 8 Apr 2018 4:53 PM
Expansion is definitely NOT happening. 

Snottydramas has spoken.
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Expansion is definitely NOT happening. 


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162 contracts for Australian players isn't really that many
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The whole point is to give more players an opportunity. If they were that concern they could increase the visa player number to 6 for a few seasons as an alternative. Would need to get it past PFA :)
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Something that I often read is about how expanding too quickly will dilute the player quality which will in turn damage the overall quality of the league. 

Excluding the Phoenix, there are currently 45 foreign spots open and 162 dedicated Australian professional spots across the 9 clubs.

If we accept that the player base of Australians is already thin at the edges in each squad, and that it is difficult to hold back/bring back Australians playing overseas, surely the short term answer is to increase the number of foreign spots. If we quickly expanded to include 4 new clubs over the next few years, whilst increasing the number of foreigners to 6 for each team, we would end up with 78 foreigners and 221 Australians. 

So 60 extra Australian players would need to be sourced, which in itself would surely mean a lot of very average players are getting gigs in the a-league. BUT, theoretically you're only looking at needing 5 + a few quality australians per team with the foreign contigent included to make up starting XIs and benches. I would argue that the quality of the league won't be so greatly affected like this, especially when you consider that foreign recruitment has improved greatly across the board and that new teams will have space in salary caps to bring home Australian talent that don't fit under the cap of the existing clubs. 

For me though, I agree with a lot of people that a second division, and to a higher degree promotion/relegation, will have a natural positive effect on playing quality. A 2nd div would bring together the best of the rest, and I'm pretty convinced that in any sport playing with/against higher quality opposition will usually improve individual quality. While prom/relegation will create an urgency and pressure environment that will put individual performances under more criticism.

Also, with promotion/relegation, you can almost afford to trade off a hypothetical drop in quality, because games which mean something will automatically be more interesting than games of higher quality which are meaningless. Take for example world cup games between relative minnows vs a dead rubber champions league tie.
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If a population of 400k with the highest dispensable income average in Australia can't support a professional club, the problem is the business model, not the market.
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National Premier League Capital Football coaches support Canberra A-League team

National Premier League Capital Football coaches have thrown their support behind Canberra securing an A-League expansion licence, but not all believe it's sustainable.

Football Federation Australia are set to reveal A-League expansion plans for the 2019-20 and the opinions differed on Canberra's chances of securing a team at the NPL season launch on Thursday.

Six new coaches were unveiled and while the majority believe the capital deserve an A-League presence, some say the game isn't there yet.

Canberra FC are hoping Paul Macor can return the traditionally strong club to the top after appointing the former women's coach as their new manager.

Macor and Monaro Panther new coach Zoran Glavinic agreed brining an A-League franchise to the ACT was long overdue.

"We should already have been there from day one, how do you not have an A-League team in the capital of Australia," Macor said.

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"It would progress the young boys and give them an opportunity to actually strive for something, we don't have a state league team and if we don't have that we have to have an A-League team.

"You have to have something to aspire to in any sport, if we had an A-League team at least the juniors here would have a pathway and something to strive for, like we have in the womens."

Glavinic added: "There's a lot of potential and a lot of really good footballers here and good coaches and hopefully fingers crossed we can get there one day."

But Tuggeranong United's new coach Mitch Stevens questioned if a professional team would be sustainable given Canberra's population.

"My heart says I'd love for Canberra to have a side but my head says I don't think so," Stevens said.

"Do we really have the infrascture that is ready for an A-League team? I see too many other A-League clubs in bigger cities struggling. We have to be patient."

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Is there a reason why a men’s team wouldn’t mirror the W-League team name and colours?
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Is that the first bid that has stated they would apply for second division if denied the A-League?

Good on them.
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Canberra A-League team gains traction as Capital Football throw support behind bid

The Canberra A-League bid harbour ambitious plans to win an expansion licence and then bring home Carl Valeri as their first marquee signing.

Football Federation Australia are set to reveal A-League expansion plans for the 2019-20 season and the wheels are in motion to decide Canberra's team name, colours and logo.

Melbourne Victory skipper Carl Valeri playing against Tuggeranong United in Canberra during the FFA Cup in 2014.

Melbourne Victory skipper Carl Valeri playing against Tuggeranong United in Canberra during the FFA Cup in 2014.

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The Canberra bid committee want to put those decisions to a public vote, with an eye to reveal a jersey design and team name in their proposal following the expansion confirmation.

Canberra business analyst Jeff Williamson is steering the bid and confirmed Melbourne Victory skipper Valeri would be their top priority if they gained a licence, but emphasised there was plenty of water to go under the bridge.

Williamson is determined to establish an A-League side in the capital and maintains there's an appetite for the game in the region to make the venture financially viable.

He has been in regular contact with Capital Football boss Phil Brown, who supports bringing A-League action to the capital, but stopped short of committing his organisation to partnering the bid.

"I'd love to see an A-League club in Canberra. Given the right conditions, yes, I believe it is sustainable," Brown said.

"We've spoken to them [bid committee] periodically since they first made their intentions known and now with some more clarity around the process we'd expect to meet with them more regularly to help understand how we can support them as they build their bid.

"Partnership is interesting, our focus is on our National Premier Leagues and grassroots competitions, we don't have an ambition to be a partner in a bid, but we're happy to support anyone that's looking to promote A-League football in the ACT."

Canberra soccer identity Ivan Slavich led the ill-fated A-League4Canberra bid in 2010 after raising $5 million in government and corporate support and foundation memberships.

The bid was quashed by FFA and a permanent A-League presence in Canberra looked dead in the water, with prospective corporate supporters hesitant to get involved again.

FFA boss David Gallop is wary of expanding into cities with less than one million people after the Townsville-based North Queensland Fury survived just two seasons before falling into financial ruin.

The Central Coast Mariners played two games in Canberra last season at a loss after just 10,569 fans rolled through the gates, and talks to bring the Wellington Phoenix to the ACT this season broke down.

If the Canberra bid is unsuccessful, another route to the A-League could be promotion through a national second division which is currently being floated to the FFA.

The first major step towards the long-term goal of promotion and relegation in Australian began on Wednesday after the FFA and the state member federations agreed to explore establishing a second division.

The Association of Australian Football Clubs, which represents the country's 130 NPL clubs, are pushing for it and the states and FFA have agreed to create a joint working group.

"If there is a [Canberra] bid that isn't accepted then that would be the logical next step, to seek access through a second tier if it was established," Brown said.

Canberra United were handed a one-year National Youth League licence this summer but after just one win their future remains uncertain.

Brown emphasised it was crucial the NYL team remains in the capital to ensure up-and-coming players gain national exposure, and confirmed he's asked FFA to grant another licence.

"It's really important to keep the team, it's as important as having our Canberra United team in the W-League," Brown said.

"It provides that opportunity for our young players to remain at school here and in that home environment, without having to move interstate to look for that exposure.

"There's plenty of good young players in Canberra, we outperform most if you consider our population against some of the bigger cities.

"We would like to retain that opportunity for our young players to get on the national stage and we're confident the FFA will support us."

Canberra A-League team gains traction as Capital Football throw support behind bid


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Pride of Ipswich in the A-League?

PROUD: Western Pride celebrate their historic NPL grand final victory.
PROUD: Western Pride celebrate their historic NPL grand final victory.Chris Simpson

LAST week, A-League boss Greg O'Rourke threw fuel on the ever-flickering fire regarding expansion of the national football competition ahead of the 2019-20 season.

Despite the Brisbane Roar's recent struggles, O'Rourke said a second team in Brisbane would help and not hinder the three-time A-League champions.

"When you have two teams in the one city, you get this one plus one equals three effect,” O'Rourke told AAP. "If you think Wanderers (and) Sydney FC, it created a rivalry that didn't exist prior to that.

"We believe if a second team was to come out of Brisbane it would encourage fans to pick sides and fill the stadium at derby time.”

It was perhaps the biggest hint yet that Brisbane will be at the forefront of FFA's mind when the governing body finally resolves its internal issues and confronts the question of expansion. That then begs the question, who steps in to fill the role as the Roar's local nemesis?

NPL Queensland contenders Brisbane City and Brisbane Strikers are two such clubs linked to fill the void.

The former has already submitted an 80-page bid document to FFA, and City received the public backing of Roar star Thomas Broich in August.

City bid chairman Robert Cavallucci spoke on The Daily Football Show last week and doubled down on O'Rourke's assessment.

Key to City's success according to Cavallucci, is the club's footprint in community programs, headed by senior coach and former Adelaide United and Sydney FC coach John Kosmina.

In Perry Park, Strikers boast the current facilities most suitable to hosting A-League matches - a fact made even more beneficial after O'Rourke admitted Suncorp Stadium might be too big to host A-League matches, at least in the short-term.

The Bowen Hills venue has hosted late-round FFA Cup matches featuring Adelaide United and Melbourne City in recent years.

But what about the Western Corridor?

Western Pride general manager Pat Boyle told the QT in March last year the club and its representatives "would move heaven and earth” if an A-League opportunity came knocking.

Although the reigning NPL Queensland champions may not have the storied history the likes of City and Strikers can boast, Pride does have a major advantage over their inner-city rivals.

The sporting culture in the Western Corridor is something hard to quantify, but spend even a single weekend amongst the grassroots clubs and you begin to understand.

The aptly-named Pride brought exactly that to Ipswich, just as the Jets did when they won the Intrust Super Cup in 2015.

FFA have repeatedly delayed the release of expansion criteria, making it difficult to assess where a bid from the Pride would sit in the pecking order. But if you draw a parallel to City, it is hard to make a case against them being at least on equal footing.

RESULTS: On the pitch and in the development stakes, the Ipswich club takes the cake after last season's efforts. Results have never been the most important aspect of the Pride program, but it does provide a means of measuring just how successful the club's development philosophies are.

Last season the Ipswich outfit went on a 10-game winning run on their way to becoming NPL Qld champions, at an average of 4.3 goals per game to just 0.5 goals against over that span.

That was despite fielding one of, if not the youngest side in the competition. Captain Jesse Rigby is entering his fourth season at the helm, and is still only 20 years-old.

Coach Graham Harvey refuses to be happy with the standard he sees on the pitch, even in the aftermath of an 8-0 win.

At Pride, there is always room to grow. There is no resting on laurels.

FOUNDATIONS: Whereas City and Strikers have NSL history to lean on, the fledgling Pride, established in 2012, do not.

And yet the Ipswich club can already boast backing, infrastructure and a supporter base to rival any other in the NPL Qld set-up.

This fact is even more impressive when you look at the consistent struggles of other recently-formed franchises out of Townsville, Cairns, Mackay and even the Gold Coast.

There are many reasons for this. The passion of the administration to see its vision of a successful Ipswich football franchise flourish, and the support of Ipswich City Council - spearheaded by former sport boss David Morrison.

The recruitment of players who not only have the talent to succeed, but the necessary temperament and willingness to buy-in to the Pride culture. And support from the Ipswich football community, facilitating a mutual give and take relationship between clubs with the betterment of Ipswich football a key focus.

COMMUNITY: Cavallucci spruiked City's move into St Joseph's College, headed by a recognisable face in Kosmina, as proof of the club's footprint in the community.

The Pride's community work, which includes bringing coaching clinics to schools like Boonah and Augustine College through the Learning With Pride program among a plethora of other pursuits, culminated in receiving the Ipswich Sporting Organisation of the Year award in 2016, and the Sporting Excellence and Pride of Ipswich awards in 2017.

PASSION: People power spoke when a combined campaign by the Pride, Ipswich City Council, the QT and supporters forced Football Queensland's hand to reverse its decision and re-admit the Pride women into the NPLW competition. What other club can claim to have the level of support both from local council and media that the Pride does?

The groundswell of support proved just how important the club as a whole is to the sport-going people of Ipswich.

COMPETITION: The Jets have sat on the cusp of inclusion to the NRL for years.

Now the AFL has come to the party, with the Springfield Reserve set to house the Brisbane Lions' AFLW side from 2019 onwards.

And as the Gabba faces increasing scrutiny over public access and transport concerns, we may well see the AFL side also playing out of Springfield before too long. Which means FFA would do well to consider beating their rival codes to the post by establishing a franchise in Ipswich before the NRL or AFL can do so.

If the expansion merry-go-round ever ends and significant talks commence, FFA would be smart to consider a bid out of the Western Corridor, even if the popular choice resides in Brisbane.

Pride of Ipswich in the A-League? | Queensland Times


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Could almost put money on Manly United being in the 'Championship'..
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scott21 - 18 Jan 2018 11:06 PM
Eldar - 18 Jan 2018 10:46 PM

I dont know the area well enough. 

I see on wiki Northern Beaches Council owns both Brookvale and Cromer Park. Would they be able to sell the land at Brookvale and build a stadium close to or near the border of the 2 councils for a multi use stadium? Also, would it cause Sea Eagles fans to freak out? 



A team representing the north wouldn't work in Manly/Brookvale, it would have to be on the train line. It's tricky to get to. 

Brooky or Cromer would be fine for a local team. 




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Eldar - 18 Jan 2018 10:46 PM
scott21 - 18 Jan 2018 10:41 PM

You would have two potential options, North Sydney council backs a public/private stadium in North Sydney or Chinese backers build a stadium in Chatswood, where there is a huge Chinese and Asian community.

Nice little 20k seater.

I dont know the area well enough. 

I see on wiki Northern Beaches Council owns both Brookvale and Cromer Park. Would they be able to sell the land at Brookvale and build a stadium close to or near the border of the 2 councils for a multi use stadium? Also, would it cause Sea Eagles fans to freak out? 



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Crikey

Someone woke this thread up.

Thought it had gone to the Rumour Mill


Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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scott21 - 18 Jan 2018 10:41 PM
Neanderthal - 18 Jan 2018 10:07 PM

It seems unlikely the gov will step in and make it part of the stadium plan. 



You would have two potential options, North Sydney council backs a public/private stadium in North Sydney or Chinese backers build a stadium in Chatswood, where there is a huge Chinese and Asian community.

Nice little 20k seater.


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Neanderthal - 18 Jan 2018 10:07 PM
Eldar - 18 Jan 2018 9:41 PM

All of what you said here, so much.

If it represents the entire North Shore AND Northern beaches and has a good venue, it would be an easy success.
The problem is just lack of an appropriate venue.

It seems unlikely the gov will step in and make it part of the stadium plan. 



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Eldar - 18 Jan 2018 9:41 PM
I live in Manly, the North/South divide is as big as the East/West divide.

Manly would be good but it will never draw people from places like North Sydney/Chatswood/Maquarie Park/Epping/Ryde.

Ultimately I think a team playing out of North Sydney or Chatswood would work, so long as you built a stadium as well. Meanwhile Manly as a team representing the northern beaches will work by way of a second division.

All of what you said here, so much.

If it represents the entire North Shore AND Northern beaches and has a good venue, it would be an easy success.
The problem is just lack of an appropriate venue.

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All good thoughts thanks. Might need the A league to expand a bit more before this is a priority, but hoping eventually.

scott21 - 18 Jan 2018 8:57 PM
Otherwise CCM is your option.

I always hate this suggestion. The cultural divide between the North Shore/Northern Beaches and Central Coast couldn't be more contrasting. We couldn't identify less with the Central Coast *shudders*.

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I live in Manly, the North/South divide is as big as the East/West divide.

Manly would be good but it will never draw people from places like North Sydney/Chatswood/Maquarie Park/Epping/Ryde.

Ultimately I think a team playing out of North Sydney or Chatswood would work, so long as you built a stadium as well. Meanwhile Manly as a team representing the northern beaches will work by way of a second division.


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As a second division venue I’d agree Scotty, it seems to serves its purpose adequately.

But if North Sydney ever played in the top tier it wouldn’t stack up. Brookvale would be the #1 option.

North Sydney Oval is a shit venue and Pittwater isn’t up to it either.
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Neanderthal - 18 Jan 2018 8:53 PM
I know people have spoken a lot about a South Sydney A league team lately... But what about a North Sydney team?

I've never been able to get into Sydney FC just because I don't identify with it. But if there was a team for the North of the Bridge, I'd be at every game no matter how shit we are. Even if it's brining back Northern Spirit I'd be stoked.

Just support an NPL team (btw Spirit still exist). There are plenty - Manly, Northbridge (AKA Northshore Mariners), Spirit, Gladesville Ryde, etc.
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aussie pride - 18 Jan 2018 9:27 PM
Neanderthal I had the same thought on a recent day trip to Manly.There is no doubt that the Sea Eagles would desperately be seeking Brookvale to be upgraded but they don’t have much pull being the only tenant and playing the odd game there during the season.Should they be moving heaven and hell to get a summer tenant in as a co tenant so Brookvale can become up to scratch.Capacity wise, Brookvale is an ideal venue for A League football capacity wise.An introduction of a North Sydney rival would create an immediate divide with Sydney FC and CCM. Who knows it may even have some historical relevance with Gosford and the North Sydney Bears.Whilst I’m not from NSW, isn’t North Sydney reknown for being quiet a parochial region?

Cromer Park grandstand is named after Lucas Neill so it wins every time. 
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Neanderthal I had the same thought on a recent day trip to Manly.
There is no doubt that the Sea Eagles would desperately be seeking Brookvale to be upgraded but they don’t have much pull being the only tenant and playing the odd game there during the season.
Should they be moving heaven and hell to get a summer tenant in as a co tenant so Brookvale can become up to scratch.

Capacity wise, Brookvale is an ideal venue for A League football capacity wise.

An introduction of a North Sydney rival would create an immediate divide with Sydney FC and CCM.
Who knows it may even have some historical relevance with Gosford and the North Sydney Bears.

Whilst I’m not from NSW, isn’t North Sydney reknown for being quiet a parochial region?
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About 20 years late...Northern Spirit.
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Neanderthal - 18 Jan 2018 8:53 PM
I know people have spoken a lot about a South Sydney A league team lately... But what about a North Sydney team?

I've never been able to get into Sydney FC just because I don't identify with it. But if there was a team for the North of the Bridge, I'd be at every game no matter how shit we are. Even if it's brining back Northern Spirit I'd be stoked.

I think Manly have shown interest to play in the national 2nd division. Otherwise CCM is your option.
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I know people have spoken a lot about a South Sydney A league team lately... But what about a North Sydney team?

I've never been able to get into Sydney FC just because I don't identify with it. But if there was a team for the North of the Bridge, I'd be at every game no matter how shit we are. Even if it's brining back Northern Spirit I'd be stoked.

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