I should hopefully be heading down, can't wait :D

Come on, you're kidding yourself if this will actually become a significant rivalry :lol:

Can't wait for Wollongong to come in. The Sydney derby seems to a solidified parts of what was a vague support in a lot of people that I know in the shire. I think that a rivalry with Wollongong would far more thoroughly concrete those bonds. Around here the games with Wollongong could end up being more important than the derby. While it may never get to be as high profile as the derby we grew up and still have the people from the Illawarra being our friends and rivals rather than those in the west so there were be far more meaning in the matches for us.

They won't reach it but it's good to have goals, hopefully they will get a big response from the community.

Canberra only got 2000 members at $200 a piece, so it will be interesting to see how much Townsville can muster compared to Canberra, although I'm not sure how long it took Canberra to get 2000.

Should point out that it's a bit different as Canberrans weren't buying a stake in the club(?).


Edited by iridium1010: 12/11/2013 12:49:45 AM

Canberra were doing before anybody else and long before an A-League club was even guaranteed. That bid didn't even have a 'team' so to speak, unlike Fury and their QLD NPL team. Granted, the W-League team came in, but the bid was all geared towards the A-League.

Should it revive, they could easily build up such a 'Foundation base' again and probably even double that, if A-League entry was looming larger/guaranteed and further organisation, promotion, engagement and even enthusiasm, came along with that!

Canberra has a strong football history, and still is strong and products from the Zelic's, T-S, Kaz Patafta to Tom Rogic now are just a few. Infact they really punch above their weight, in that regard! :cool:

But back on your point - Yeah, it's possible for them to draw a decent 'Foundation base' but I guess the devil is in the detail here, and how much confidence, faith, this bid/club can generate in the local community to get behind 'this cause'. To 'buy into' this exercise, the locals need to believe in it really. Not unlike being a member of an A-League club, just a slightly larger commitment?

BTW Canberra's model, their initiative, it should arguably be a requirement of any prospective A-League entrants, once or around getting their provisional licence, to be establishing such a base, community base, behind the team. So then the engagement comes with the build and that existing engagement and support comes with the club through pre-season to Match Day 1. Not too different from the Wanderers, in that way!

Edited by GloryPerth: 12/11/2013 03:46:54 AM

GRP = Gross Regional Product and for this exercise it is an indicator of the amount of money circulating each year in the region indicated.

G21 = The planning region that includes Geelong, Golden Plains, the Surf Coast and Colac-Otway.

ACT Region includes Queanbeyan and Palerang to the east of Canberra which are part of the same planning region but located in NSW.

Information is taken from 2011-12 http://economic-indicators.id.com.au/?StateId=1



The case of Central Coast is worth discussing. It has a small to mid sized population but quite a small economy. It has survived due to good management, support in terms of attendance due to its location beside other clubs, by being able to tap into corporate support from adjacent larger regions, and through the largesse of Government in providing a significant amount of money to fund its facilities which will provide an additional revenue stream when completed. Other locations of similar sized population and/or economy may not be viable if they do not have similar support or are permanently supported by the FFA with "equalisation" funding.



Edited by gyfox: 12/11/2013 10:34:08 AM

Any figures on Ipswich?

180 000, or a bit over half the population of the Central Coast. It can't really be considered an option.

Edited by Angus: 12/11/2013 10:32:35 AM

The proposal for an Ipswich based team includes other Local Government Areas. If you can tell me what LGA's should be in the catchment for the team I can produce the data. It should also be noted that Ipswich is Brisbane's major growth area over the next 25 years.

Edit: Using the LGA's included in the region by RDA the population at the time the data was prepared was 274,407. Population in Ipswich alone is projected to be 434,000 by 2031 meaning the population of the region is likely to be pushing 600k by then. GRP is $9,791b according to the data but with growth is expected to be well over $20b by 2031.

These numbers increase significantly if part of the adjacent Logan City LGA is included. It already has a GRP of $9.255b and a population of 293,846.





Edited by gyfox: 12/11/2013 11:11:43 AM

The next two teams will be:
1. Either a nsw/act team... Has to be Wollongong: already have a stadium, history, large junior participation, just waiting for the football base/ academy to be built in west dapto.
2. Most Probably a QLd team, either Townsville again to support player development in Nth Queensland or West Brisbane, however Gallop will have inside knowledge of the NRL's expansion plans and whether the QLD govt intends to build a new boutique stadium in west brisbane which is vital to the Ipswich bid.

I honestly think we (Brisbane) would struggle with two teams at the moment, QLD is a rugby state still. In north queensland, I worry again, just because of the population of the cities. I haven't been that far north myself, so I may be wrong, but wouldn't it be hard for a city of ~200k to support a club? (Townsville).

But yes, Wollongong seems to be the easiest and most logical by far at this point.

Why would the People of the Logan area drive further to support Ipswich then they have to go to get to Suncorp?

I honestly think we (Brisbane) would struggle with two teams at the moment, QLD is a rugby state still. In north queensland, I worry again, just because of the population of the cities. I haven't been that far north myself, so I may be wrong, but wouldn't it be hard for a city of ~200k to support a club? (Townsville).

But yes, Wollongong seems to be the easiest and most logical by far at this point.[/quote]

Expansion from 10 - 12 teams make sense in 5 years or whenever it is.
Wollongong would pretty much be a lock in which covers NSW/ACT.

The other option would have to come from:

1. Geelong (Can Vic hold a 3rd team ? Need a boutique stadium, Heart needs to shore up a market share/identity first in and around Melbourne you'd think before expansion in victoria..)
2. Auckland (If NZ are accepted into the East Asia conference, Sky NZ would probably pay to have a NZ derby plus direct qualification for a NZ team into the Asian Champions league. This would proably be worth it for Sky NZ. But not the best solution to develop Australian football..
3. 2nd Qld team somewhere. Either Townsville or Western Brisbane...
4. Some Asian based side.. a wildcard !

But all this has been said before... it will be interesting where the 12th expansion team will be based if wollongong is the 11th and what criteria the ffa use to make their decision.

Population =/= interest.

Expansion from 10 - 12 teams make sense in 5 years or whenever it is.
Wollongong would pretty much be a lock in which covers NSW/ACT.

The other option would have to come from:

1. Geelong (Can Vic hold a 3rd team ? Need a boutique stadium, Heart needs to shore up a market share/identity first in and around Melbourne you'd think before expansion in victoria..)
2. Auckland (If NZ are accepted into the East Asia conference, Sky NZ would probably pay to have a NZ derby plus direct qualification for a NZ team into the Asian Champions league. This would proably be worth it for Sky NZ. But not the best solution to develop Australian football..
3. 2nd Qld team somewhere. Either Townsville or Western Brisbane...
4. Some Asian based side.. a wildcard !

But all this has been said before... it will be interesting where the 12th expansion team will be based if wollongong is the 11th and what criteria the ffa use to make their decision.[/quote]

Big no. NZ Knights and the other multiple franchises in Auckland have not worked. There is no need for a team in New Zealand it just adds to the travel times of local games unnecessarily. Look home, not abroad.

Then base a team in Singapore, "Singapore Pirates"

Edited by yoshi2284: 12/11/2013 12:52:18 PM

Did you read anything I posted above?

When the locals started talking about a team it was the Ipswich Mayor who suggested that the adjacent part of Logan could be part of the area the club drew fans from.

Singapore has high population, high interest and high dollars

And they are well established and have their own league. Like what Wellington should get on their own.

fuck that.

See, you throw insults in without looking at me in the eye, you are a keyboard warrior. Nothing more.

Blah blah blah

:roll:

Auckland has a population greater than Tasmania, NT and ACT combined and with a medium projection will hit 2million in less than 20years. Not saying it is guaranteed, but a serious bid from an Akl franchise should be taken seriously. And as long as FIFA are happy, AFC can go and take a long walk off a short plank.

Should also add, it's not a zero sum game - it can be win-win for both federations.

Edited by Bullion: 12/11/2013 01:04:57 PM

FFA might use the asian cup to showcase Australia and to get a South Asian backed team in the a-league. The NBL used to have the Singapore Slingers..
Football is more popular than basketball in the region so it could work..

Edited by yoshi2284: 12/11/2013 01:06:20 PM

Those who keep pushing Wollongong as top of the list for expansion might want to compare what it offers compared to Canberra. Canberra already has a W-League team, has the AIS team, has more registered players, has an equivalent population that is growing much faster, has twice the size economy, has a better stadium, has direct flights to Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney, Newcastle, Gold Coast and Brisbane, will get government funding and spreads the League into another state/territory.

Edited by gyfox: 12/11/2013 01:10:25 PM

Don’t expect any Champions League action soon for the Nix with an attitude like that mate.

You enjoy OFC. Short memories. We are in Asia. We don't need to waste time helping other countries. We owe no one.

They have a champions league in OFC. Take that and run.

Oh NOES :cry:

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