You can't add wollongong and canberra at the same time, they are located quite close to each other.. it would dilute the playing standard. Wouldnt it make sense to add one of these teams in nsw/act and then another in a different region

You can't seriously try and tell me the WIN stadium of the 90s was anything like as good as it is now :lol:

No your right, I didn't try and tell you that.:roll:

I think that's about right.

I don't understand how adding Wollongong and Canberra at the same time wouldn't dilute the playing standard as much as Wollongong and say Ipswich at the same time. At the end of the day, if there are to be two teams introduced in the same season then the two best candidates should be entered. If the two best are Wollongong and Canberra, then so be it, if not then maybe next time. At this stage I'd say Canberra and Wollongong are the two safest bets, and I can't see the FFA taking too many risks come the next wave of expansion.

AIS players can easily be channeled into a south coast team. It would make sense having a 2nd qld to assist player development there. CLubs will be successful if they have local players coming through, creates local identity and long term sustainability

So you are both agreed then that we would have another club losing $1m pa or thereabouts?

Yup! What do you think?

Edited by iridium1010: 12/11/2013 04:11:46 PM

Not a fan of AAMI Park then? :-k

Take Wollongong for example, whilst they'll have locals. If there's a queenlander who is a better man for the job than a local, then they'll and should sign the Queenslander. Two new teams in NSW/ACT being entered shouldn't be seen as opportunities for NSW and ACT hopefuls, but opportunities for players all over the country. In addition, adding two a-league clubs in NSW and ACT respectively shouldn't be seen as denying young Queenslanders and players from other states and territories, as the NPL will be in full swing and players will be playing in a quality league against good opposition.

According to this website and my own memory the last three >10k crowds they got were in the 95/96 and 96/97 seasons with an average of around 6000 and 7000. A partial move to the SFS was unsuccessful dropping average crowds by 3000. It then steadily went back up over the next 3 years to 5600 in the first year at the shire. Then many of the greeks decided they didn't want to travel any more and crowds dropped. They then abandoned those they had gained in the shire by moving to Kogarah and it got worse.

After the Olympic Sharks success on the field but failure off it they had a season at Kogarah then back to Belmore which they have been at since.
As for the crowds, typically if the team went well, supporters came and crowd would usually be on average 8K but would top the 10k when they played against Marconi, United and Sth Melb

We got any sourced info on the playing numbers for Wollongong and Canberra?

I gave them in a post earlier. From Football NSW's 2012 Annual Report there are 10,500 registered players in the Illawarra Region. Outlying Associations further down the coast and including the Southern Highlands take this to approx 17,000. From Capital Football's 2012 Annual Report there are 11,100 registered junior footballers in Canberra and another 3,100 play in their men's and women's competitions. So approx 14,400 in the capital alone but there are another 5,500 in Associations south and west of the ACT making a total pf approx 20,000 that would feed a Canberra club.

Dunno if this got posted elsewhere, but a massive step in the right direction 13% increase in 3 years is nothing to joke about!

Thanks found it.

Also, here's a mock home fixture of similar style to williamn's - for the Wolves.

rd 1 Perth Glory - first game probably comfortable 10k - we'll go with that.
10k

rd 3 Brisbane Roar - an attractive fixture, I would say another comfortable 10k.
10k

rd 5 Central Coast - hard one to pick, would say maybe 11k or even 12k.
11.5k

rd 7 Wellington - support will hit rock bottom now, probably 6k minimum though.
6.5k

rd 9 Adelaide - average game, should be around 8k maybe slightly less.
7.5k

rd 11 SFC - close to a sell out for sure.
21k

rd 13 MVFC - could be quite a decent one, maybe 13k even.
12.5k

Here is where it becomes difficult. If the team is travelling in top 3 or 4, they could break away and start to build up to regular 12k even for lower-drawing fixtures like Heart and Perth etc. If the team are average or even bad, will remain or even drop off slightly to say 7k. Lets just say for the sake of it that they're doing well- top 5 but certainly not going to win the premiership. A few home wins but not dominant and flamboyant.

rd 15 WSW - similar to SFC nearly full.
21k

rd 17 Newcastle - about 1k away support at most, but locals loving the team means a great crowd.
13k

rd 19 Melbourne Heart - another decent crowd around 11k.
11k

rd 21 SFC - 2 rivalry matches are given by FFA to boost the new club, another near sell out.
20k

rd 23 Central Coast - an ok showing from the locals.
12k

rd 25 WSW - another near sell out thanks to 2 home rivalry games.
20k

So that would give a very achievable average of 13.5k which would be fantastic and very viable. I think similar figures would be very applicable to Canberra too. So would be a very viable club if they start like that. Maybe knock a few k off here and there against Heart, Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth and Newcastle or Mariners but looks about right to me if the club plays its cards well and is reasonably competitive with some home wins.

5.7% drop in junior participation 0.0



Edited by iridium1010: 12/11/2013 06:14:11 PM

AAMI is the best, but only for clubs of the size of WSW SFC MVFC and maybe BR and Newcastle. It wouldn't be the best for Wollongong its just too big for them to create a good atmosphere in, that goes as well for Perth Ade Heart CCM and Nux.

St George Illawarra have averaged that in WIN Stadium over the last 10 years and that is with fans traveling down from Sydney for each of the 6 matches. League is way more popular than football in the gong so there is no way that an A-League club would get anywhere near those figures.

I am a fan of more teams in NSW.

Does football Queensland put their annual report on their website?

Edited by iridium1010: 12/11/2013 06:21:25 PM

I have not found anything on line for a long time. Someone a couple of years ago rang them and they were quite willing to give registration numbers over the phone. There was a quote when that Buckley woman was involved in Brisbane where she said they were worried about the drop in registrations and from memory she mentioned 75k total for Qld.

Shame, would be interesting to see the numbers for Gold Coast, Townsville and Sunshine Coast etc, might try their websites.

There was a management report done into restructuring Gold Coast Football a number of years ago (5?) that gave registration numbers and from memory it was around 8k. I'll have a look for it.

EDIT: Gold Coast Soccer did a 5 year Plan but although I can find references to it I can't find it on the new Gold Coast Football website. I did find this in a Ray Gatt article from about the time I read the 5 year Plan.



http://www.talkingfooty.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1343

Who know how much or if the numbers have changed in the last 5 years.

Edited by gyfox: 12/11/2013 06:49:13 PM

Wouldnt mind a Gold Coast team if done right

Thanks.

Sunshine Coast 5,500.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-9393-0-0-0&sID=265952

Awesome!

Thats a fair figure. How many of those travel down for Brisbane games though?

By comparison South Coast has 10,500 and Central Coast 12,500.