TheSelectFew
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Iridium1010 wrote:By comparison South Coast has 10,500 and Central Coast 12,500. But South Coast has a history of football.
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paulbagzFC
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Where were those 5500 people week in week out? :-k -PB
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paulbagzFC
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TheSelectFew wrote:Thats a fair figure. How many of those travel down for Brisbane games though? This. It's not many. -PB
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http://footballgc.com.au/uploads/files/GCS5yearplan.pdf7,000 participants in 2006? I think. http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2008/07/26/14200_gold-coast-sport.htmlMentions 6000 juniors in 2008 here, I can't find any recent numbers so I'll just go with that one you posted. Edited by iridium1010: 12/11/2013 07:16:30 PM
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TheSelectFew
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I also dont mind second divisions made of state league clubs but it's about time the A-league clubs go down to lower age divisions.
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Found the original article Quote:Gold Coast A-League bid OFFICIALS at Gold Coast Soccer have urged Football Federation Australia to think carefully before it decides where to place a new A-League club if New Zealand fails to come up with the money to run a team next season. A consortium from the region emerged yesterday as a possible replacement for the New Zealand Knights, who have been given until tomorrow by the head body to come up with $2million to fund a side. Townsville, which is understood to have put in an impressive bid and, to a lesser extent Wollongong, have been mentioned as possibilities to fill the Kiwis' spot if they fall over. While Townsville has six months' head start on the other candidates, Gold Coast Soccer president Peter Gray said the consortium behind the region's bid, consisting of successful local property developers, is "ready to go". "I have no doubt that, despite giving away a bit of a start, we are ready to put in a very competitive bid for the franchise," Gray said. "We have a very influential and powerful group of Gold Coast and interstate businessmen who are very keen to get involved in the A-League. "They are more than capable of making it happen." The consortium has already decided the Gold Coast team, if successful, will play out of Carrara Stadium, which is the temporary home of the Gold Coast Titans, who will make their NRL debut this Sunday. The AFL will also use the stadium for matches involving the Kangaroos. A new stadium is also being built at Robina and the proposed club would have no problems eventually shifting its base there. While there has been no discussion in terms of player recruitment, The Australian understands several locals have been mentioned as possibilities for the coaching role, including former Newcastle, Sydney Olympic, Marconi and Fijian national coach Lee Sterrey, former Wollongong Wolves coach Nick Theodorakopoulos and former Queensland Roar coach Miron Bleiberg. Gray believes it would be good for the A-League to get a strong foothold in the booming area and urged it not to give the AFL and rugby league a "free hit". "We all know the Titans are ready to kick off in the NRL and that the AFL is spending a huge amount of money to try and get a foothold on the Gold Coast," Gray said. "Football is very strong in our area. "We now have over 8500 registered players and that is 1200 up on last season's figures. We hosted Sydney FC in a match against Queensland Roar in the A-League pre-season last year and, on a very wet day, we got over 7200 paying customers to the match. "We have to capitalise on our expanding base and not allow the other codes to get a foothold. If I was the FFA I'd be thinking over this very carefully." Gray, a former board member of Soccer Australia and former president of Soccer NSW, said the GCS would not have a financial stake in the new licence but is prepared to provide office facilities and staff. "We are not in the business of spending kids' money on things like this," Gray said. "But we have offered as much assistance as possible to ensure the bid is successful. "The people involved in the consortium are cashed up and have the support of the Gold Coast council." Gray added the consortium had spoken to FFA several months ago about gaining a licence for the 2008-2009 season. "We were due to talk to them again at the end of March in relation to the 2008 bid, but we will try and bring those talks forward, in light of the events of recent days," he said. The Townsville consortium remains a strong favourite to fill the void if the Kiwi club falls over. Townsville project director James Gage believes the club, which would have New Zealand great Wynton Rufer as coach, can raise the $2.5m minimum required by FFA within 24 hours. - See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/archive/news/gold-coast-a-league-bid/story-e6frg7s6-1111113149102#sthash.3gzpFOpL.dpuf Was this the Galaxy bid? Edited by iridium1010: 12/11/2013 07:23:04 PM
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paulbagzFC wrote:Where were those 5500 people week in week out? :-k -PB But those are members of these clubs http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-9393-0-0-0&sID=265619I assume most of these members have nothing to do with the Fire.
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Joffa
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We need to focus on strategic growth which will add value to the league in regards to attendances, corprate support and TV ratings, with that in mind I'd only be expanding in the following areas
Auckland Canberra Wollongong Geelong
And then I'd be looking at a strong semi professional B-League, comprising,
Townsville Fury Sunshine Coast Ipswich Tasmania Christchurch Albury South Melbourne Melbourne - other team Sydney Olympic Sydney United SA team WA team
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TheSelectFew
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Joffa wrote:We need to focus on strategic growth which will add value to the league in regards to attendances, corprate support and TV ratings, with that in mind I'd only be expanding in the following areas
Auckland Canberra Wollongong Geelong
And then I'd be looking at a strong semi professional B-League, comprising,
Townsville Fury Sunshine Coast Ipswich Tasmania Christchurch Albury South Melbourne Melbourne - other team Sydney Olympic Sydney United SA team WA team
If there would be a A2 league it would have to consist of ex NSL teams.
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The costs involved setting up a national A2 league would be pretty high....
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I don't think there should be any more nz teams. Otherwise we should be asking the nz fa to be making big contributions for creating a league for them. Plus I thought the aff wanted Wellington out as it is? Canberra, Wollongong, eventually Tasmania and another Queensland team for a medium term expansion. No generic 'other' teams like heart. Wsw works because locals know what it represent, who does heart geographically represent?
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Joffa
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yoshi2284 wrote:The costs involved setting up a national A2 league would be pretty high....
The NSL was able to do it.
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Redcarded wrote:I don't think there should be any more nz teams. Otherwise we should be asking the nz fa to be making big contributions for creating a league for them. Plus I thought the aff wanted Wellington out as it is? Canberra, Wollongong, eventually Tasmania and another Queensland team for a medium term expansion. No generic 'other' teams like heart. Wsw works because locals know what it represent, who does heart geographically represent? those who believe that 'youth systems' are the way to go.
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Joffa wrote:We need to focus on strategic growth which will add value to the league in regards to attendances, corprate support and TV ratings, with that in mind I'd only be expanding in the following areas
Auckland Canberra Wollongong Geelong
id have to agree with this. though if ipswich can put a strong case forward, starting with a suitable 15,000 seat stadium, they would join the list of 5.
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TheSelectFew
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Redcarded wrote:I don't think there should be any more nz teams. Otherwise we should be asking the nz fa to be making big contributions for creating a league for them. Plus I thought the aff wanted Wellington out as it is? Canberra, Wollongong, eventually Tasmania and another Queensland team for a medium term expansion. No generic 'other' teams like heart. Wsw works because locals know what it represent, who does heart geographically represent? THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
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Joffa wrote:yoshi2284 wrote:The costs involved setting up a national A2 league would be pretty high....
The NSL was able to do it. I reckon it should go to confederations. It would cut costs.
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Joffa wrote:yoshi2284 wrote:The costs involved setting up a national A2 league would be pretty high....
The NSL was able to do it. How is an aleague 2 league going to survive, who is going to cover the costs of the league (travel, salaries etc)? abc television ?
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TheSelectFew
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yoshi2284 wrote:Joffa wrote:yoshi2284 wrote:The costs involved setting up a national A2 league would be pretty high....
The NSL was able to do it. How is an aleague 2 league going to survive, who is going to cover the costs of the league (travel, salaries etc)? abc television ? Junior funds, federation sponsorship, NO COST OF A NZ TEAM, telly funds, lower player costs, can be divided into confederations. There are many solutions.
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yoshi2284
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sounds like a pipe dream
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Joffa
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yoshi2284 wrote:Joffa wrote:yoshi2284 wrote:The costs involved setting up a national A2 league would be pretty high....
The NSL was able to do it. How is an aleague 2 league going to survive, who is going to cover the costs of the league (travel, salaries etc)? abc television ? Fair question. Personally I would set the clubs up with a modest salary cap of about $800,000 and total wages ie coaches etc.. Of about $1 million with running/ travel cost being an additional $ 500k. So total operating costs of about $ 1.5 million. I would be hoping th FFA would be able to meet perhaps $1 million tops for each club, with the clubs having to find the rest through, sponsorship, attendances and broadcast rights etc.... Edited by Joffa: 12/11/2013 08:44:25 PM
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A second division is pointless. All that does is dilute the reach of the sport.
Better having one big 20 team league than 2 small 10 team leagues.
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First question is what will add value to the HAL.
1) More content 2) Wider audience 3) Truly national footprint
With that in mind my teams would be
1. Sydney FC 2. Western Sydney Wanderers 3. Central Coast Mariners 4. Newcastle Jets 5. Melbourne Victory 6. Melbourne Heart 7. Adelaide United 8. Perth Glory 9. Brisbane Roar 10 Wellington Phoenix
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11. Canberra 12. South Coast 13. Tasmania 14. Auckland 15. Townsville 16 Darwin/Surabaya (young, parochial fast growing city) tied with a football mad AFC city
This would mean
240 games plus finals rather than the current 135 plus finals Teams in every state and territory and access to a dynamic football market in Indonesia plus Asian sponsors.
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yoshi2284 wrote:Joffa wrote:yoshi2284 wrote:The costs involved setting up a national A2 league would be pretty high....
The NSL was able to do it. How is an aleague 2 league going to survive, who is going to cover the costs of the league (travel, salaries etc)? abc television ? I doubt travel is as expensive as you think it is. Right now the NPL Queensland seems to be doing fine even with all the travel some teams would have. And some of these teams only got 200 or so people to games. One would imagine if you picked the right teams for a 2nd their national comp that each team would get at least 1000 + some level of corporate support. Salaries might be a harder question since no doubt some teams can afford more than others, but in no way could this be a fully professional league.
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tbitm wrote:yoshi2284 wrote:Joffa wrote:yoshi2284 wrote:The costs involved setting up a national A2 league would be pretty high....
The NSL was able to do it. How is an aleague 2 league going to survive, who is going to cover the costs of the league (travel, salaries etc)? abc television ? I doubt travel is as expensive as you think it is. Right now the NPL Queensland seems to be doing fine even with all the travel some teams would have. And some of these teams only got 200 or so people to games. One would imagine if you picked the right teams for a 2nd their national comp that each team would get at least 1000 + some level of corporate support. Salaries might be a harder question since no doubt some teams can afford more than others, but in no way could this be a fully professional league. Semi professional and would have to be conferenced me thinks.
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Joffa
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We need to focus on strategic growth which will add value to the league in regards to attendances, corprate support and TV ratings, with that in mind I'd only be expanding in the following areas
Auckland Canberra Wollongong Geelong
And then I'd be looking at a strong semi professional B-League, comprising,
Townsville Fury Sunshine Coast Ipswich Tasmania Christchurch Albury South Melbourne Melbourne - other team Sydney Olympic Sydney United SA team WA team
Personally I would set the clubs up with a modest salary cap of about $800,000 and total wages ie coaches etc.. Of about $1 million with running/ travel cost being an additional $ 500k. So total operating costs of about $ 1.5 million. I would be hoping th FFA would be able to meet perhaps $1 million tops for each club, with the clubs having to find the rest through, sponsorship, attendances and broadcast rights etc....
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patjennings wrote:First question is what will add value to the HAL.
1) More content 2) Wider audience 3) Truly national footprint
With that in mind my teams would be
1. Sydney FC 2. Western Sydney Wanderers 3. Central Coast Mariners 4. Newcastle Jets 5. Melbourne Victory 6. Melbourne Heart 7. Adelaide United 8. Perth Glory 9. Brisbane Roar 10 Wellington Phoenix
then
11. Canberra 12. Wollongong 13. Tasmania 14. Auckland 15. Townsville 16 Darwin/Surabaya (young, parochial fast growing city) tied with a football mad AFC city
This would mean
240 games plus finals rather than the current 135 plus finals Teams in every state and territory and access to a dynamic football market in Indonesia plus Asian sponsors. tony abbott disagrees about having a team from indonesia in the a-league. also it rains every day over the summer in darwin, so they struggle from the same difficulties as having a townsville team. Edited by williamn: 12/11/2013 09:18:30 PM
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TheSelectFew
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You repeat a lot or there is an error on your moderating.
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TheSelectFew wrote:tbitm wrote:yoshi2284 wrote:Joffa wrote:yoshi2284 wrote:The costs involved setting up a national A2 league would be pretty high....
The NSL was able to do it. How is an aleague 2 league going to survive, who is going to cover the costs of the league (travel, salaries etc)? abc television ? I doubt travel is as expensive as you think it is. Right now the NPL Queensland seems to be doing fine even with all the travel some teams would have. And some of these teams only got 200 or so people to games. One would imagine if you picked the right teams for a 2nd their national comp that each team would get at least 1000 + some level of corporate support. Salaries might be a harder question since no doubt some teams can afford more than others, but in no way could this be a fully professional league. Semi professional and would have to be conferenced me thinks. Kinda like the NPL is right now? That said i'm not particularly for a national 2nd div. At least not until we have at least 16 teams in the 1st
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tbitm wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:tbitm wrote:yoshi2284 wrote:Joffa wrote:yoshi2284 wrote:The costs involved setting up a national A2 league would be pretty high....
The NSL was able to do it. How is an aleague 2 league going to survive, who is going to cover the costs of the league (travel, salaries etc)? abc television ? I doubt travel is as expensive as you think it is. Right now the NPL Queensland seems to be doing fine even with all the travel some teams would have. And some of these teams only got 200 or so people to games. One would imagine if you picked the right teams for a 2nd their national comp that each team would get at least 1000 + some level of corporate support. Salaries might be a harder question since no doubt some teams can afford more than others, but in no way could this be a fully professional league. Semi professional and would have to be conferenced me thinks. Kinda like the NPL is right now? That said i'm not particularly for a national 2nd div. At least not until we have at least 16 teams in the 1st Well of course. But I think it's crucial we start foundations and planning now.
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TheSelectFew
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FFA Cup success = crucial
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