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WaMackie wrote:benelsmore wrote:Stupid people always wanting to kick Wellington out.
Funny how they've helped keep alive struggling clubs with a tv deal since their formation. Show a little gratitude bogans :) Fox's TV deal now dwarfs anything Sky TV NZ and Wellington bring to the table. Fox Sports pays for Wellington's core salary cap, the argument about "NZ bring TV money to the table" is now invalid. How do you know? Care to post the figures.
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WaMackie
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Joffa wrote:WaMackie wrote:benelsmore wrote:Stupid people always wanting to kick Wellington out.
Funny how they've helped keep alive struggling clubs with a tv deal since their formation. Show a little gratitude bogans :) Fox's TV deal now dwarfs anything Sky TV NZ and Wellington bring to the table. Fox Sports pays for Wellington's core salary cap, the argument about "NZ bring TV money to the table" is now invalid. How do you know? Care to post the figures. To answer your question - Over the weekend. Still at work today. There has been enough articles this year to state that with Fox’s new TV deal, that they are paying for the $2.5M core salary cap for all 10 A-League teams (incl. Wellington’s wages). http://au.fourfourtwo.com/features.aspx?CIaFID=8865&CIPseq=1Also check (hardcopy version) of May 2013 FourFourTwo magazine for full article of above link, Gallop clearly states that not enough TV money is coming in from NZ and that he is planning to change that this year (2014). Edited by wamackie: 10/1/2014 03:31:54 PM
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Quote:"COULD THE CAPO FROM TUGGERANONG PLEASE REFRAIN HIMSELF!!!" :lo: Ahahaha
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The Dudist
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4wanderer4 wrote:I'd say we need to get into West Brisbane ASAP, because Roar can't take it to the next level without a local derby and it seems like Brisbane is ripe for the taking. But I'd be happy with any of Ipswich, Canberra, South West Sydney or Fury to join Wollongong, who are to me the most likely candidate, within the next 3 seasons. Depending on the AFC decision, we may just be able to kick the Nix out and replace them with a third of the sides I mentioned.
Ideally for me;
Wollongong 2016
Ipswich 2016
Canberra for Wellington 2017
Fury 2019
South West Sydney 2019
Having said that, if FFA jumped on a SW Sydney team right now that would be quite a good move, Sydney literally is here for the taking right now with SFC and WSW both doing very nicely. But some narrow-minded people will be in a fit about too many NSW teams, even though almost half the country lives between Nowra and Coffs Harbour... Agree with a Brisbane derby. The Roar's attendances are looking really good at the moment, and a derby would help solidify that. Plus Brisbane doesn't have a whole lot of teams compared to Melbourne (AFL) and Sydney (NRL), so there's room for another out west. FFA should do what they did with WSW and fund them. Now that they're selling the Wanderers, they can look at starting up another new team in the coming years. If it takes Ipswich a couple more years to find their feet, then that's okay, as it's a long-term plan anyway.
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my a-league expansion kits 
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:lol: Looks like a kindergarten artwork. I'm sure the teacher will give you a gold star. ;)
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Heineken wrote::lol: Looks like a kindergarten artwork. I'm sure the teacher will give you a gold star. ;) 
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williamn wrote:my a-league expansion kits Why did you pick those particular colours for Liverpool, Ispwhich and Dandenong kits?
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jack999 wrote:williamn wrote:my a-league expansion kits Why did you pick those particular colours for Liverpool, Ispwhich and Dandenong kits? ipswich, as with current kits of western pride which are dark green and white stripes, liverpool city council has the colours blue and green while of the 4 local football clubs in liverpool, all where blue (rangers, olympic) or red (robins) while the other one wears white. and the colour combination is done well, especially by yokohama f marinos dandenong, the idea is to unite supporters from the south-eastern suburbs by using the two colours which are most prominent amongst victorian league kits.
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jack999 wrote:Why did you pick those particular colours for Liverpool, Ipswich and Dandenong kits? 
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Ipswich looks like Geelong. ;)
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Brisbane like their jacaranda trees, jacarandas are purple, so Ipswich can be purple. 
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imonfourfourtwo wrote:Brisbane like their jacaranda trees, jacarandas are purple, so Ipswich can be purple. This link might give you ideas for Ipswich colours. http://www.ipswich.qld.gov.au/documents/marketing/guidelines_for_use_of_icc_logo.pdfI quite like the officially approved reverse colours. Edited by gyfox: 12/1/2014 10:49:28 PM
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imonfourfourtwo wrote:Brisbane like their jacaranda trees, jacarandas are purple, so Ipswich can be purple. :lol: Leave the purple to Perth. Blue & Yellow ala GCU/Brisbane Strikers, if its not Ipswich/Western Pride.
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Righto green and gold it is. Logo wise Ipswich is home to a large air base, so I've gone with a basic roundel, I like things simple (similar to Hamburg SV). Still going with the Ipswich City name though. 
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MikeDude wrote:
Agree with a Brisbane derby. The Roar's attendances are looking really good at the moment, and a derby would help solidify that.
Plus Brisbane doesn't have a whole lot of teams compared to Melbourne (AFL) and Sydney (NRL), so there's room for another out west.
FFA should do what they did with WSW and fund them. Now that they're selling the Wanderers, they can look at starting up another new team in the coming years. If it takes Ipswich a couple more years to find their feet, then that's okay, as it's a long-term plan anyway.
Biggest thing holding back Ipswich will obviously be stadium. Everything else seems ripe for the picking - Local Rival - check
Population base - check
Reasonable corporate backing to engage - check
I think a big mistake is plonking teams in areas that won't have proper rivals. Perth managed to do it on their own, but even Adelaide had a derby for 20 NSL years and as soon as West Adelaide were gone it seems Adelaide City fell to shit. United do ok, but a fair bit of their success seems to stem from their rivalry with Victory. Before GCU were a basket case, Roar got some good crowds against them in some lean times for them - I recall 23k+ back in 09-10ish. Any new side needs an instant rival to be viable imo.
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imonfourfourtwo wrote:Righto green and gold it is. Logo wise Ipswich is home to a large air base, so I've gone with a basic roundel, I like things simple (similar to Hamburg SV). Still going with the Ipswich City name though. Would be a fun rivalry to have with the Jets.
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Heineken wrote:imonfourfourtwo wrote:Righto green and gold it is. Logo wise Ipswich is home to a large air base, so I've gone with a basic roundel, I like things simple (similar to Hamburg SV). Still going with the Ipswich City name though. Would be a fun rivalry to have with the Jets. Actually... this! That would be pretty cool haha. I'm always surprised too Jets don't try and engage as much as I'd have thought with Coffs Harbour-Port Macquarie-Kempsey areas too, feels like they used to but would rather give $2 memberships now...
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Benjamin
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WaMackie wrote:benelsmore wrote:Stupid people always wanting to kick Wellington out.
Funny how they've helped keep alive struggling clubs with a tv deal since their formation. Show a little gratitude bogans :) Fox's TV deal now dwarfs anything Sky TV NZ and Wellington bring to the table. Fox Sports pays for Wellington's core salary cap, the argument about "NZ bring TV money to the table" is now invalid. All FFA/A-League sponsors get penetration into the NZ market courtesy of the involvement of Wellington in the league. Thus, the involvement of New Zealand (via Wellington) means that sponsors get something like 20% more citizens to flash their lovely logos at. I would suggest that big businesses, when negotiating sponsorship deals, take these kinds of things into account. Thus, having a Kiwi side around may have other benefits you haven't taken into account.
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Benjamin wrote:WaMackie wrote:benelsmore wrote:Stupid people always wanting to kick Wellington out.
Funny how they've helped keep alive struggling clubs with a tv deal since their formation. Show a little gratitude bogans :) Fox's TV deal now dwarfs anything Sky TV NZ and Wellington bring to the table. Fox Sports pays for Wellington's core salary cap, the argument about "NZ bring TV money to the table" is now invalid. All FFA/A-League sponsors get penetration into the NZ market courtesy of the involvement of Wellington in the league. Thus, the involvement of New Zealand (via Wellington) means that sponsors get something like 20% more citizens to flash their lovely logos at. I would suggest that big businesses, when negotiating sponsorship deals, take these kinds of things into account. Thus, having a Kiwi side around may have other benefits you haven't taken into account. This; well said. There's an audience of 1.3 million people waiting to expose to parties who wish to give money to Australian football. Sounds awful, doesn't it?
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4wanderer4 wrote:MikeDude wrote:
Agree with a Brisbane derby. The Roar's attendances are looking really good at the moment, and a derby would help solidify that.
Plus Brisbane doesn't have a whole lot of teams compared to Melbourne (AFL) and Sydney (NRL), so there's room for another out west.
FFA should do what they did with WSW and fund them. Now that they're selling the Wanderers, they can look at starting up another new team in the coming years. If it takes Ipswich a couple more years to find their feet, then that's okay, as it's a long-term plan anyway.
Biggest thing holding back Ipswich will obviously be stadium. Everything else seems ripe for the picking - Local Rival - check
Population base - check
Reasonable corporate backing to engage - check
I think a big mistake is plonking teams in areas that won't have proper rivals. Perth managed to do it on their own, but even Adelaide had a derby for 20 NSL years and as soon as West Adelaide were gone it seems Adelaide City fell to shit. United do ok, but a fair bit of their success seems to stem from their rivalry with Victory. Before GCU were a basket case, Roar got some good crowds against them in some lean times for them - I recall 23k+ back in 09-10ish. Any new side needs an instant rival to be viable imo. Yeah I like the sound of that. Brisbane is the biggest derby-less city, so it would be good for them to have a rivalry. Huge potential up there. Plus I feel like the Queensland NPL is well structured and organised, so two A-League teams will give the aspiring players some extra ambition.
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Ipswich for the next expansion side imo. But please can they not be called Western Pride. Horrible Name.
Ipswich City/Rovers/Rangers please
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Cappuccino wrote:Ipswich for the next expansion side imo. But please can they not be called Western Pride. Horrible Name.
Ipswich City/Rovers/Rangers please Or we could just, you know... ask the supporters what they would like most?
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Only 180,000 people live in the city of Ipswich. That's nowhere near enough for an expansion. Same does for up in North Queensland.
Remember what Gallop said - they want a team with a potential fanbase of close to 7-figures. That does potentially exist in South East Queensland, but the population is so spread out that it's hard to figure out where exactly to put it. NRL can do it because they can live off the TV ratings.
Perhaps the answer is to give the team an additional identity beyond mere geography. Maybe go down the Wanderers route and make a distinctly working class team (Logan, perhaps?). I also like the military idea.
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4wanderer4 wrote:Cappuccino wrote:Ipswich for the next expansion side imo. But please can they not be called Western Pride. Horrible Name.
Ipswich City/Rovers/Rangers please Or we could just, you know... ask the supporters what they would like most? :lol: That too. Doesn't mean I can't have preferences. I just really don't want a team called "pride" in the league, we have enough shit names as is.
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Cappuccino wrote:4wanderer4 wrote:Cappuccino wrote:Ipswich for the next expansion side imo. But please can they not be called Western Pride. Horrible Name.
Ipswich City/Rovers/Rangers please Or we could just, you know... ask the supporters what they would like most? :lol: That too. Doesn't mean I can't have preferences. I just really don't want a team called "pride" in the league, we have enough shit names as is. Dipswitch Dimmers?
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Cappuccino wrote:Ipswich for the next expansion side imo. But please can they not be called Western Pride. Horrible Name.
Ipswich City/Rovers/Rangers please FFA would not allow Western Pride anyway - not geographically specific enough, Matheson originally wanted to call his side Northern Fury, if I remember correctly, but FFA said it needed to be more specific.
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4wanderer4 wrote:Before GCU were a basket case, Roar got some good crowds against them in some lean times for them - I recall 23k+ back in 09-10ish. That never happened. First time Brisbane Roar hosted GCU (8/8/2009), the crowd was 19,902 ( http://www.aleaguestats.com/ALeagueStats_27MatchDetails_470.html ) The next time Brisbane Roar hosted GCU (11/10/2009), the crowd was only 8,882 ( http://www.aleaguestats.com/ALeagueStats_27MatchDetails_516.html ) The 2nd time Brisbane hosted GCU the following season (12/2/2011), they did get a crowd of 20,831 ( http://www.aleaguestats.com/ALeagueStats_27MatchDetails_785.html ) Brisbane Roar has cracked a crowd of 23k+ eight times, 5 times in finals and 3 times in the league (league matches all against Sydney FC). ( http://www.aleaguestats.com/ALeagueStats_6BrisbaneRoar.html#LargestCrowds )
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Yes you're right, but I do seem to recall people complaining and thinking both those were grossly underestimated at the time. You're right though my mistake!
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