Sick!

-PB

cant wait to see this 3 team comp up and running

any word yet on which grounds are going to be used 40 weeks a year?

lol?

-PB

MV v MK at Knights Stadium. Oh fuck yes!

All A-league teams should have under 12s, 13s, 14s, 15s, 16s, 18s, 21s. u12s to u16 should play in zones rather than following the clubs. Only u18 and u21 travel with the team.

Edited by theselectfew: 18/4/2013 11:22:13 PM

Sticky please.

Not a positive thing from what I've seen released.

Why are we saddled with muppets like the FFV who try to make everything a power grab for them while alienating the clubs. Yet FNSW can get it working well and quickly with minimal complaints.

The FFV have destroyed football in Victoria and this latest plan will kill the game completely. All Victorian clubs should tell them where to go and have nothing what so ever to do with this latest power grabbing scheme. Talk about communism the FFV is simply that.

Killing football in Victoria? a slight over reaction.

Indeed.

Care to post insights?

-PB

Clubs getting fined for the tiniest shit. No promotion of games. Just continuous promotion of themselves. The list goes on. FFV are money hungry.

In relation to facilities, majority are owned by councils. Will FFV be providing funds to successful clubs or councils to bring the facility to the required standards? If not who will fund these upgrades? FFA? State Government? Federal Government?As it will certainly not be the ratepayers!

Oh that's right it will be the clubs responsibility to fund these facilities on top of the $500k a year it will take to run the club under this structure!!!!

Any reason why upgrades are required?

Only ask as NPLQ didn't require such spending of money.

-PB

Like ive been telling all you so called know it alls from other states. The FFV have remodeled the framework and inserted 75% more bullshit of their own making. I really think a rebel comp in victoria is 1 step closer. Or the bayside federation is about to explode with member clubs. What needs to happen in Victoria FFV elections need to take place and the current board turfed out on their ass. Along with all their mates who a free loading off the clubs profits too. The baracades are about to be put up. Big Big Mess and all leads to FFV. Definitely no NPL in Victoria next season.

I bet you $500 that there will be.

Are they including the regional teams still?

My big issue is this was meant to bring all states in line with each other, but how can that happen if every state is implementing it differently.

Problems with the NPL's implementation in Victoria

- So many juniors will be out of a club due to the one team per age group rule.

- Clubs enter it based on application rather than the merits on their senior team. The FFV doesn't care who enters as long as they get the numbers.

- The details were released last minute, giving clubs barely any form of notice with minimal time to submit an application

- Clubs have to completely change their constitutions to be part of this, one big thing is every parent now becomes a voting member.

-The player point system is a joke, basically forcing every club to become an under 25's club. If this cup happens A-League teams are just going to walk into the finals as they will be the only clubs with out these restrictions.

The suggestions by the clubs should have been listened to. A rule that each VPL team would have to field 3 under 21's players at all times.

-Where are all these facilities going to come from for year long usage? We have a shortage of grounds that satisfy the criteria at every level. So where are they magically going to come from?

-The exclusive sponsorship that frustrates A-League clubs will be coming down to this as well, making it a lot harder for clubs to find a sponsor.

I'm very worried by this whole thing. Doesn't seem like the promising refresh of football at this level that it originally looked like.

Then again what I write here will probably get shut down because I'm an "ethnic bitter".

All VPL and State one clubs should band together and and transfer lock stock and barrel to the Bayside League or VicSoccer. That will shake them out of their dictatorial attitude they have adopted over the past decade.

Unless the licenses will only be given to clubs whom are currently in premier league or state 1 whom currently play at facilities that meet FFV class A criteria, then obviously there will be no additional costs required to upgrade facilities. Though if the process is genuine and transparent than current clubs whom may have only B or C class facilities and want to be genuinely considered for a licence will need to also upgrade facilities to meet the A class requirements! So where do these $$ come from??

It'll go ahead with or without you.

No it won't, don't you get it yet, conform or your out.

2 out of the current 24 vpl and divi 1 clubs keen. As for rest if FFV dont change their model then all will be joining the bayside comp. Still want to offer that bet? il take the bet. You dont know about the goings on behind the scene then, the secret meetings between the powerhouse clubs in victoria.:lol: :lol:

You'd like that JoFFA wouldn't you.

Let's have a look at some real world figures for the NPL.

Juniors.
1700 fee per child.
Mandatory to have under 12,13,14,15,16,18 boys and under 13, 15 & 18 girls.
That's 9 teams (assuming that you will give your youth team - u20's a full scholarship)

Each team will have 15 players minimum.
15 players x 1700 = 25,500 x 9 teams = 229,500. (135 kids)
This must cover registrations, apparel, coaching staff, physio, referees, technical director and ground maintenance / utilities.

Apparel per child as follows. For a better brand (not covo, pelada etc.)
Training kit x 2 = $80, Playing kit x 2 = $160, Tracksuit = $100, Sprayjacket / Jumper = $60, Club Polo = $50.
Apparel alone per child = $450 x 135 kids = $60,750.
Leaves you with $168,750 from your registrations.
Take away half of the Licence fee for your senior men, women and u20's registration leaves you with $25,000 left that your juniors must pick up.
Leaves you with $143,750

Coaching Staff
40 week paid season for the following
B Licence TD - 600 per week = $24,000

Under 18 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $600 (300, 200, 100) = $24,000 for the season x 2 for including girls team ($48,000)

Under 16 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $500 (250, 200, 50) = $20,000 for the season

Under 15 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $400 (200, 150, 50) = $16,000 for the season x 2 for including girls team ($32,000)

Under 14 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $400 (200, 150, 50) = $16,000 for the season

Under 13 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $300 (150, 100, 50) = $12,000 for the season x 2 for including girls team ($24,000)

Under 12 Coach, Asisstant & Goalkeeping Coach
Combined Bargain basement price $300 (150, 100, 50) = $12,000 for the season

Combined Coaching costs for 40 week season (training and games) = $176,000

Add in Physiotherapist / Sports Trainer Costs for all teams including wages / products / strapping costs =
3 Physios (One for Senior mens, womens and 20's team / not included in calculation / one for all boys teams and one for all girls teams = 40 weeks x 400 (wages / product expenses) = $16,000 x 2 Physios = $32,000

Add that cost to the coaching costs and you reach a figure of $192,000
Bring in your remaining money from Player registrations and you are already at a deficit of -$48,250

And we haven't even got to referee fees which on a rough estimate will cost about $100 per home game per team on average. 9 teams, 9 home games = $8100
Electricity for 2 grounds with decent floodlighting = $8,500 per year for running them 5 days a week for 3 hours for training x 40 weeks x .22c per KwH.
An extra $16,000 or so to tack on to your 48k deficit.

Somehow I don't think that 135 kids, playing in an elite, snob nosed competition are not going to be able to overturn a $65,000 deficit through canteen sales and sponsorship of junior teams for the year.
You will lose money.

The coaching fees I've put down are relatively low for the amount of commitment expected / level of 'expertise'

These are the real world figures for running an 'elite' competition.
Tell me how much the federation is prepared to pump into clubs to achieve this outcome? Who is the major sponsor of the league which will put in 100k to each club to keep them going?!And this is only juniors.

The AFL puts in upwards of $250k to the TAC Cup clubs to run 2!!!! elite teams. Not that the AFL is a good example to compare to, but it's a local one nonetheless.

Edited by cro69: 23/4/2013 09:42:33 PM

so whats actually different to FFV's model compared to say NPL Queensland? I'm not a fan of the points system, it is basically forcing clubs to become junior feeders to A-League rather than being clubs in their own right. Surely if they wanted youth focus they could have just had squad restrictions like a certain amount of players trained by the club required in the squad registration?

Edited by melbourne_terrace: 23/4/2013 11:31:57 PM

Great way to run any organisation!

Fine by me.

If 2 or less of this year's VPL clubs apply for the NPL you win, if more than two do, I win.

Deal?

Edited by paladisious: 24/4/2013 02:23:10 PM

Keen.

-PB