We had this Maltese bloke working at my school he was studying to become a priest and he sings Christian songs apparently he is a massive celebrity in malta and he sang a song with guy Sebastian at WYD. Any way he said he was a real bad ass at school always getting into trouble and he didnt care about it and then he became a serial liar and he told tons of lies and he spread all these rumors about the leader of a gang and this guy hunted him for six months and the leader found his best mate and tortured him to within and inch of his life. And the Maltese bloke was falling out with his family and was basicaly a complete loser and had fucked up his life and one day he just sat there and he was I might add a Catholic but he was doubting it all and only in it because he was born into it. He pulled up two chairs and he sat on one and imagined God was in the other and he just began to talk to this chair and he realized how much of a stuff up he was and he decided he would go back to school and study again and before his final exam he hadn't done it for ages but he did this night and pulled up his chair and the other one for God, he was struggling with his study and he broke down and started chatting to God and he says after a while something inside him told him to flick to this random page in a book. He did and in it was everything he needed to pass the exam. he aced the test and claims it was God who spoke to him wether or not it was or if you just imagine you are talking to God he says you will find the answers.

Don't know if I believe it was God but one of my tecahers who is one of the few non catholic ones at my school had a stroke and was on the opearting tbale and apparently they "lost" her and she claims to have seen the light and her deceased mother saying "not yet, youre not ready" or something along the lines of that and then next thing she knows she is awake.
I find that interesting but I don't know if I believe it

There is no argument, there are three versions though...version 1 Jesus existed, version 2 Jesus did not exist and version 3 the truth.

Oh yeah an afro, you are a very good comedian...

That Hell thing had me :lol:

And then you have the Roman records that indeed there was a Jesus who was arrested and Crucified.

Have you look into both sides (1,2) equally thoroughly and with out bias?

Fredsta - So this tool 'found' god and now thanks him for getting his life back together?? That's the problem with religion, what's different about god being there and you just doing it yourself to begin with?

That's your opinion, but what makes it any different to them saying "Jesus existed"?? Just because you say it doesn't qualify it as being correct. Version 3 is in direct correlation to version 1.

I could be rejected by a girl and as a result meat my future wife. I spose though you could argue about suicide bombers and other horrible things but in my life I have found alot of the things that happen to me are for a reason

Agnostic comes from the word 'knowledge' (latin), so if you were Agnostic you would give a shit.

And then you have the Roman records that indeed there was a Jesus who was arrested and Crucified.

Just because it's written doesn't mean it's 'gospel'.

And then there are the people who get shat on time and again, what do you have to say in regards to them?? Are they just 'colateral damage' in order to make someone else's life better?? Is god really the most inhumane of us all??

See: Blasphemous Rumours - Depeche Mode.

who are my people? I'm saying that pro weigh out the cons but I reserve my judgements till I see facts.

Hey congrats Afro only just noticed the new Moderator badge.

Ok, poorly worded. The conspiracy people you reference, are no different in respect to being right or wrong or full of shit.

So in your world they mean shit to you. It might be an age thing as you get older you start to question thing a lot more, afro...I'm not trying to appeal to your ego but you do come across as fairly well educated intelligent person (seriously, when your not coming up with one-liners that are reserved for stand up comedians). I'm not sure how old you are but have you ever asked yourself what the fuck is it all about and why are we here? There's much more to life then football isn't there?

You sound like you're looking for a job almost:lol: I'm 19, and I've been through enough to have questioned it all and then some. But I'm not going to talk about that. The point I was trying to make is, if the religioyus texts are not believable, what makes the conspiracy theorists believable?? They are, after all, just an opinion, the same as everybody else has. Oh, and I don't have to "come up" with the one-liners:P

In fact I do agree with you but I believe your the one that's being vague in just writing it off as,'we'll never know so who cares'.

I forget which thread I'm in, religious or politics

I cant prove %100 that Jesus didn't exist just like anyone else cant prove vice versa.

I can't say I can recall stating that.

If your a good person and treat people how you yourself expect to be treated then either way you don't have anything to worry about.

I likewise think it wont have a real impact in my life if it were proven I just believe with out believing that it's gospel that the argument for Jesus not existing has more merit then him walking on water or turning water into wine, all of these things I've seen Chris Angle do.

did you end up watching that zeitgeist doco afro? Just curious is all.

If it was anything anybody here posted. No. I have dial-up :(