Can someone please explain to me why the NPL is working in other states but not Vic..


What do you think about the FourFourTwo article FFV press on despite NPL crisis?
FOOTBALL Federation Victoria denies the roll-out of its National Premier League model is on the brink of collapse despite claims the dispute is headed for the courts.

Have your say.

IMO it is fantastic for Townsville. Got rid of some of the rot(not all) and improved the style of play.

It would appear at face value that the FFV are acting with the support of the FFA.

“This is the tragic point of all this…they are going to fight the people who pay their wages.”

Just because you pay their wages doesn't mean you are automatically in the right.

-PB

Not so sure it's been a success in QLD

Not working in seq. imo

This, those that want it to work will make it happen.



I get the feeling this club displays all the symptoms of narcissim.

FFA Meeting with smfc this morning
Just thought that the FFV should be aware of this

should add that other VPL clubs will also be at the meeting

Also smfc chairman was on SEN Radio this morning

Not looking good for the FFV

Vic model is an anomaly to the NCR and to what the other states have executed

Interesting article with extra info at the roar. comments with links posted to further info as well:

Edit: sorry we can't post links to that website

Edited by Joffa: 31/7/2013 11:26:12 AM

And of course the Leopold Method has been right on this issue;

http://leopoldmethod.com.au/show-me-the-money/

They have done well to not only capture the issues but also the mood.

http://www.surfcoasttimes.com.au/news/community/2013/07/30/council-cools-on-nplv-bid-by-clubs/#.UfdMjqw8k98

Interesting!

http://www.parksleisure.com.au/documents/item/2016

Then the football in Victoria must be full of narcissists! On reading the parks leisure document, an independant association representing council recreational departments, one can only say that there are issues of competancy at the FFV. At the very least personal ideology is getting in the way of good policy.

You actually believe the FFA are meeting without the FFV's knowledge, seriously delusional

I think most of you on here are delusional.

1 of 2 things is going to happen.

They will go ahead with this, but will be stopped once the board is kicked out.

They will change the criteria paving the way for clubs to embrace NPLV, and the board will still be kicked out.

:-({|=

I don't think any of us can say with any certainty how this is going to be resolved, certainly there has been a breakdown in communication. One would hope in the interest of all parties this can be resolved as amicably as possible, one way or the other.

Edited by Joffa: 31/7/2013 12:48:47 PM

NPL victoria without VPL clubs except for richmond would be a complete joke

I think, just like the formation of WSW was successful, it was done with communication. Lets say FFA have a plan, which they believe is in the best interests of Australian Football (but not in the best interests of Victorian Football financially), they need to communicate with Victorian football why it is in Australia's best interests (eg to help players progress to A-League level ?). Maybe the formation of WSW wasn't seen as beneficial to Marconi in the short term, but now in the long term we can see it has been a boom to make Football Australia's number 1 game and therefore Marconi too. FFA does seem to want / make Football grow too fast, which may sometimes not be the right thing. I read a book on management which said as a manager (FFA) don't make changes too fast, also communicate changes and the reasoning. Perhaps FFA isn't communicating the reasons why and perhaps they need to make changes slower ? When you make changes too fast things can collapse or you have a rebellion ?

What are you on about mate? Do you even know what the issues are?

Joffa, I can tell you how it will end. Without the current FFV board. \:d/

Communicate the fact that NONE of these clubs have support apart from a few. Would've been a shambles if it had of gone ahead.

Over 30 clubs put on a united front, those clubs appoint representatives to handle the media, and one of those representatives is from SMFC. Why is this narcissism? I would say it's professionalism.

Worth noting that the 30 clubs have now been joined by several more. The FFV officially no longer have enough applicants to set up a league next season.

Those who don't understand what is going on down here in Victoria need to take note of a very important factor - namely, ALL of the clubs have indicated that they would be happy with an NPL set up on the same basis as in NSW. It's not change they fear, they encourage it - they can all see the benefits of following the FFA's competition review... It's the FFV's rigid and unworkable structure that they are objecting to.

It's getting to the stage where I think for the outsiders ALL of the different parties in Victoria look like a bunch of idiots and we are sick of waiting for everyone to get their crap in order.

Just when you think that football is progressing, out of the closet come the retrospective, no progressive anachronisms that are not going to give up their little power rush in their local little fifedom. When are these human hurdles going to get the message that it's a strategic approach to football in this country now. It's for the good of the game, not for the good of the personal position and their personal head-rush that so-called football power brings. I say bugger em' if they don't want to get with the program, leave em out of the program and watch how fast their club shrivels up when the talent goes to the national program clubs. People like this make me sick. They talk about bankruptcy, Sth Melbourne is a big club and I reckon they have some wealthy backers. Prove how good your club is by taking on the best, not spitting the dummy in fear that you might get done a good club from NSW, QLD or Sth Aust.

Can someone explain to me what the clubs don't like, the fact there will be regional clubs??? Also how is this model any different to what Queensland have set up?

I believe that these are the criteria the Victorian clubs

http://www.footballfedvic.com.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Competitions/NCR/NPLV_Part_2_Participation_Criteria.pdf

This is what they are objecting to.

omg you've got no clue

50 grand joying fee is not in the realms of impossibility for a club as big as Sth Melbourne surely!! Everything else seems sensible and a solid business plan. Audits, transparency and accurate recordkeeping are required under law(something that should already be in place)......Cant seem to see what the problem is but maybe I am missing something?

I think for the Outsiders they are bringing their own prejudices to the situation and are making comments based through the spectacles of that prejudice.

When reputable blogs/reporters are presenting the issue in a non-biased way that makes the FFV's position look poorly, when council documentation and minutes does the same, when an association representing councils recreation bodies has reacted enough to not support the NPLV publicly, when an accountant presents a document that shows clubs making losses of over $100K based on the available data as supplied by the FFV.

What does that say about those making comments against the clubs on this forum regarding the NPL process? ANd those presenting an FFV can do no wrong approach because they believe believe the FFA is in charge.

Is it not Joe Gorman presenting the arguement that the FFA naturally has left the FFV alone to do the right thing locally, but are they? Do they have the capability? Are they running an agenda seperate to the FFA's intention? Is the FFA reluctant to interfere in a local issue?

All valid questions yet so easily dismissed by somne as they try to fit the world into a black and white forumala. The problem is there is a lot of grey out there.



Edited by Arthur: 31/7/2013 03:18:09 PM