What magical solution do you propose? Either you can open the borders and enable the people smugglers to transport people on un-seaworthy vessels many that will inevitably sink and kill the people on board, which is cruel and inhumane, or you can close the borders and deny asylum seekers their wish to seek asylum in their country of choice, which some might argue is also cruel and humane. So you have to decide what is more moral, obeying outdated international policy or saving lives?

I don't think denying people the right to come here illegally and dangerously is particularly cruel, there are many other destinations where they can resettle which offers a much safer passage of travel. Some of those countries don't offer the high standard of living that we offer, so they take the risk to come here, but we shouldn't facilitate people smuggling , deaths at sea and queue jumping just so people can gain a higher standard of living.

Stop making sense. We have to accept everyone. It's inhumane not to. Who cares how much it costs or about the negative impact it will have on our communities :lol:

your argument makes no sense dude.
what people are saying here is to pretty much abolish borders all together. I mean why would someone apply for a working
visa to the US for example, and follow proper channels when you could just turn up on there doorstep and claim asylum?
policies and rules are there for a reason, you cant just open the floodgates and be like hey, things are bad in your country cool, come here and settle. what would you do if 100 million people turned up and wanted to claim asylum? can you save and accept everyone?

"About 40 people gathered in the heart of Sydney’s CBD in Pitt Street Mall tonight to light candles for those who are feared to have died, after their ship sank off Java over the weekend."

40 people? Is that it? 200+ people die and 40 people give a shit. It's not even worth mentioning. Yet when Reza Berati dies the nation dissolves into tears, mourning and nationwide vigils. It proves it's not even about Reza Berati or asylum seekers dying, it's about politics and trying to tear down the governments successful border protection policy. The same people shedding all these crocodile tears are the same people who turned their backs on the 200 folk who sank off Java. Why no tears for them?

What? I thought it was the righties who were against hand-outs?

Since you seem to be so enlightened, what's the solution to this that doesn't essentially cost Australia a hospital a month?

Wow just wow. It's the lefties that are heartless bastards and don't care about social welfare!

Well at present they cost a lot of money and the integration into a self-sufficient group within society isn't well reported.

Doesn't it concern you that we have thousands of homeless most lefties couldn't give a f*ck about and yet they're up in arms over these people?



Oh I support them but my support is conditional. As I've said in other threads, if we're going to let these people in lets let them in, pay for them to learn English and a skill so they can repay the country in time.

To me I don't care what we look like. Every big western country has immigration problems. What these ignorant lefties can't see is the long term problem with supporting unskilled people who can't speak English and who continually riot in detention centres.



I don't say f*ck off. If they come here, work and integrate and become tax-payers i'm all for it. If they come here and expect hand outs forever, then f*ck off.

The current policy of the government and the last one makes me sick . Refugees aren't a political play thing . Their human ffs ,both sides need to stop trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator and actually y ' know have a proper policy and not some catch cry of stop the boats or its the previous governments fault .

What gives you that perception? The nation seems to have been going so terribly other the last 30+ years. Clearly we are spending way too much on foreign aid and helping asylum seekers, all of which have had no benefit whatsoever.

I think most people here support trying to stop desperate people making dangerous sea journeys to seek asylum. The policies of the current government and the previous Labor government towards the end of their term I do not support. My preference would be for them to try and stop the people smugglers. Recognising that this is very challenging I can understand being somewhat harsh to the people that do attempt to come over as a deterrent. However, if we are going to be cunts to these people, let's put our money where our mouths are and be serious about bringing in refugees from the right channels. Make a big song and dance about how compassionate we are and show that our refugee intake has increased in compensation.

Will that happen? No because there are many people like you that think "fuck off we're full and have our own problems".

Seen a lot of anger over 'our policy' with regard to boats sinking this morning on the internets. How are we responsible for an over-crowded boat sinking that close to Indonesia?

Wouldn't we annoy the Indonesians more if we put our navy closer to them to intercept these boats before they sink?

We seem to pay for every one from everywhere as it is and we're still made out to look worse than Hitler. You're not making a compelling argument sir.

Yep the world is a very simple place where having a relationship with one country has no effect on your relationships with other countries :roll:

See you read Andrew Bolt's column and do about as much fact checking :roll:

Now we're gonna send em to Cambodia :lol:

-PB

Apparently they're holding candlelight vigils for the Iranian asylum seeker killed on Manus Island. Bizarre. I think it’s just one of those quirks of human nature, where 1,000 drown at sea and nobody gives a shit, but one person dies and it’s a national tragedy.

So an asylum seeker dies in a riot and thousands stage a vigil and blame the government.

#thiscountryisfullofidiots

Have a mate who works in PNG and apparently what the media is pushing and what happened are two different things.

The exports from those countries aren't exactly enough to tighten my trousers.

Sorry I didn't realise we were such an insular economy with no interests (economic or diplomatic) in any other countries in the world. :-k

Such as?

If you say so :roll:

There are other ways that we influence world affairs than just wars. Us working Australians may even benefit from them in orders of magnitude more than we actually pay in humanitarian aid.

:lol: Please don't try and tell my the Afghan/Iraq war is making people jump ship. If anything, nothing in those countries has really changed.

How can you say care about human life when the policies you support have caused the deaths of thousands . I don't know how you rationalise that in your mind. You say you want to welcome these people but the boats they're using aren't fit for purpose, they often sink and so do their passengers. How is that "welcoming them"? There's more to this than boats, it's called life. Clearly the lefties have no respect for human life, it's all about "welcome people " with broad cheesy smiles, whether they arrive in body bags or not is incidental. But by golly when an Iranian economic opportunist gets himself shot in PNG it's justification to reopen the borders again, which last time has claimed over one thousand lives. One life versus over one thousand? Only a morally depraved person would think the latter is more humane.

I actually in principle didn't mind that policy. Too bad the current government opposed it and prevented the required constitutional changes to happen to allow it to happen.

Yep some of these people that come are due at least in part to the actions of our government.

Ok then, why don't they go to a refugee camp up the road in Malaysia and we can accept them as part of the ordered humanitarian program that we already run?

Because we have our own problems.

We can't be the nanny to the world. This issue costs us working Australians a shit load of money.

Well, jingoism is one of the central tenets of murdocracy.

Human life is exactly why we care, don't be ridiculous. There is more to this than just people coming on boats.
How anyone can be so against welcoming in people in need, and still live with a clear conscience is beyond me.

Let's just push that problem further away from us. Awesome solution. If our government (don't care if it's Labor or Liberal), actually tried to contribute to helping these desperate people in some kind of humanitarian way, I'd support it much much more. Instead we've cut our aid budget and are acting like dicks.

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