Putin ready to invade Ukraine; Kiev warns of war


Putin ready to invade Ukraine; Kiev warns of war

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ricecrackers wrote:
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At least I can make a basic moral distinction between democracies and non-democracies. I stake out a position for myself instead of indulging in juvenile ten cent whataboutism.

Yes, I am very Syria's.


so arming and funding islamic militants to conduct violence including mass rapes and killings of local Christians in Syria, Libya and Egypt is ok with your morals in the name of democracy?


Fuck off you clown. If at any point I expressed support for jihadist scum, I apologise, it certainly wasn't my intention. The Jihadists are there in Syria precisely because the Syrian opposition found no ready support from the West.



so let me get this straight,
the jihadists just appeared out of nowhere to support the Syrian opposition to Assad because the west wouldnt intervene with ground troops?

furthermore, you've ignored my point on Libya specifically. you do realise the rebels were armed, trained and funded by western interests and since Gaddafi was overthrown (violently raped and hacked to death without trial) the previously secular country is now under Sharia law?

how does that reconcile with your democratic morals?


You clearly know nothing and have read even less on the issue. The vast majority of the Syrian opposition in its initial stages were defectors from the Baath army, local self-defence militias, and the feeble remnants of the Muslim brotherhood which was annihilated in the 80's. The vast majority of which were committed to a civil state, and loosely secular in nature. The opposition's diaspora leadership is almost exclusively secular. Now, given that they got no tangible support from the West for 2 or so years, the only mechanism by which they could attain access to weapons was through certain Arab nations which have no scruples about supporting (and even insist on) Islamism.

Given such a reality, why are we surprised that the Islamists have the ascendancy? The moderates have no response to the taunt;

"Where is the West now? Your people are being killed, and they don't care. The West hate Muslims. Only we look after the interests of the Muslims. etc etc."

Logic 101.

As to Libya, I'm tempted to say that you've discredited yourself by referring to Gaddafi's Libya as 'secular'; a ridiculous claim if only one had the eyes to see Gaddafi's support for Jihadists, and international gangsterism. Gaddafi's Libya was a gangster mafia state; wholly owned by the Gaddafi family. I make no apologies for applauding the scumbags removal.

As to the nature of the Libyan opposition, well, that is another issue altogether. In the next struggle, I support Libyan democrats against Libyan theocrats, and make no apologies for doing so.


question, did the western interests tied directly to the United States provide support to the Syrian opposition in the forms of arms shipments or not?



The US provided very little support to the Syrian opposition until recently.
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humbert wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
At least I can make a basic moral distinction between democracies and non-democracies. I stake out a position for myself instead of indulging in juvenile ten cent whataboutism.

Yes, I am very Syria's.


so arming and funding islamic militants to conduct violence including mass rapes and killings of local Christians in Syria, Libya and Egypt is ok with your morals in the name of democracy?


Fuck off you clown. If at any point I expressed support for jihadist scum, I apologise, it certainly wasn't my intention. The Jihadists are there in Syria precisely because the Syrian opposition found no ready support from the West.



so let me get this straight,
the jihadists just appeared out of nowhere to support the Syrian opposition to Assad because the west wouldnt intervene with ground troops?

furthermore, you've ignored my point on Libya specifically. you do realise the rebels were armed, trained and funded by western interests and since Gaddafi was overthrown (violently raped and hacked to death without trial) the previously secular country is now under Sharia law?

how does that reconcile with your democratic morals?


You clearly know nothing and have read even less on the issue. The vast majority of the Syrian opposition in its initial stages were defectors from the Baath army, local self-defence militias, and the feeble remnants of the Muslim brotherhood which was annihilated in the 80's. The vast majority of which were committed to a civil state, and loosely secular in nature. The opposition's diaspora leadership is almost exclusively secular. Now, given that they got no tangible support from the West for 2 or so years, the only mechanism by which they could attain access to weapons was through certain Arab nations which have no scruples about supporting (and even insist on) Islamism.

Given such a reality, why are we surprised that the Islamists have the ascendancy? The moderates have no response to the taunt;

"Where is the West now? Your people are being killed, and they don't care. The West hate Muslims. Only we look after the interests of the Muslims. etc etc."

Logic 101.

As to Libya, I'm tempted to say that you've discredited yourself by referring to Gaddafi's Libya as 'secular'; a ridiculous claim if only one had the eyes to see Gaddafi's support for Jihadists, and international gangsterism. Gaddafi's Libya was a gangster mafia state; wholly owned by the Gaddafi family. I make no apologies for applauding the scumbags removal.

As to the nature of the Libyan opposition, well, that is another issue altogether. In the next struggle, I support Libyan democrats against Libyan theocrats, and make no apologies for doing so.


question, did the western interests tied directly to the United States provide support to the Syrian opposition in the forms of arms shipments or not?



The US provided very little support to the Syrian opposition until recently.


so that would be a yes
define 'recently'?
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Iridium1010 wrote:
Am i right in saying the eastern part of the country has less Ethnic Ukrainians due to the Ukrainian famine and later Russian immigration?

No I think the ethnic balance was roughly the same before Hodomor, and even before the formation of the USSR.
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Why have you said nothing about the regular arms shipments Russia and Iran have transferred to Syria? In point of fact; Iran has sent troops to Syria with little or no protest on your part.

Recently as in al- Qusayr, and Ghouta. No word of protest at the use of gas against civilians either.
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paladisious wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
Am i right in saying the eastern part of the country has less Ethnic Ukrainians due to the Ukrainian famine and later Russian immigration?

No I think the ethnic balance was roughly the same before Hodomor, and even before the formation of the USSR.


Yeah. Biggest demographic change has been the expulsion of the Tatar.
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humbert wrote:
paladisious wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
Am i right in saying the eastern part of the country has less Ethnic Ukrainians due to the Ukrainian famine and later Russian immigration?

No I think the ethnic balance was roughly the same before Hodomor, and even before the formation of the USSR.


Yeah. Biggest demographic change has been the expulsion of the Tatar.


In the 1930s under Stalin I believe, but will stand corrected. Russians have definitely put down roots in the place but the area's ethnic mix isn't up for discussion as no one is threatening the Russians of the area. Any attempt by Putin to paint the invasion as being the protection of the ethnic Russians is nothing more than a smokescreen. It's a land grab, pure and simple.
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thupercoach wrote:
humbert wrote:
paladisious wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
Am i right in saying the eastern part of the country has less Ethnic Ukrainians due to the Ukrainian famine and later Russian immigration?

No I think the ethnic balance was roughly the same before Hodomor, and even before the formation of the USSR.


Yeah. Biggest demographic change has been the expulsion of the Tatar.


In the 1930s under Stalin I believe, but will stand corrected. Russians have definitely put down roots in the place but the area's ethnic mix isn't up for discussion as no one is threatening the Russians of the area. Any attempt by Putin to paint the invasion as being the protection of the ethnic Russians is nothing more than a smokescreen. It's a land grab, pure and simple.


Exactly right. Necessary pretense for an action planned in advance.
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humbert wrote:
Why have you said nothing about the regular arms shipments Russia and Iran have transferred to Syria? In point of fact; Iran has sent troops to Syria with little or no protest on your part.

Recently as in al- Qusayr, and Ghouta. No word of protest at the use of gas against civilians either.


Russia is allied with Syria in the same way the USA is allied with Australia
Russia has a navel port in Syria at Tartus, as they also have at Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine
why wouldnt they want to protect their military interests?

how is this any different from Australia hosting numerous bases and troops of the USA?
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ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
Why have you said nothing about the regular arms shipments Russia and Iran have transferred to Syria? In point of fact; Iran has sent troops to Syria with little or no protest on your part.

Recently as in al- Qusayr, and Ghouta. No word of protest at the use of gas against civilians either.


Russia is allied with Syria in the same way the USA is allied with Australia
Russia has a navel port in Syria at Tartus, as they also have at Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine
why wouldnt they want to protect their military interests?

how is this any different from Australia hosting numerous bases and troops of the USA?


:oops: :oops: :oops: You've done it again.
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humbert wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
Why have you said nothing about the regular arms shipments Russia and Iran have transferred to Syria? In point of fact; Iran has sent troops to Syria with little or no protest on your part.

Recently as in al- Qusayr, and Ghouta. No word of protest at the use of gas against civilians either.


Russia is allied with Syria in the same way the USA is allied with Australia
Russia has a navel port in Syria at Tartus, as they also have at Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine
why wouldnt they want to protect their military interests?

how is this any different from Australia hosting numerous bases and troops of the USA?


:oops: :oops: :oops: You've done it again.


exposed the hypocrisy of your position again, yes

furthermore, Russia is also a trading partner with Syria. they had long standing pre-existing contracts to sell them arms.
As for the gas attacks in Syria, there is no evidence to support this was perpetrated by the government. its merely speculation from sources connected with the militant terrorist rebels.
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ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
Why have you said nothing about the regular arms shipments Russia and Iran have transferred to Syria? In point of fact; Iran has sent troops to Syria with little or no protest on your part.

Recently as in al- Qusayr, and Ghouta. No word of protest at the use of gas against civilians either.


Russia is allied with Syria in the same way the USA is allied with Australia
Russia has a navel port in Syria at Tartus, as they also have at Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine
why wouldnt they want to protect their military interests?

how is this any different from Australia hosting numerous bases and troops of the USA?


:oops: :oops: :oops: You've done it again.


exposed the hypocrisy of your position again, yes

furthermore, Russia is also a trading partner with Syria. they had long standing pre-existing contracts to sell them arms.
As for the gas attacks in Syria, there is no evidence to support this was perpetrated by the government. its merely speculation from sources connected with the militant terrorist rebels.


1 - Is there any conceivable difference between Syria and Australia?
2 - Have you read the findings of the UN Commission charged with investigating Ghouta?
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paulbagzFC wrote:
Defense from what?

I don't see Ukrainians going out and mob bashing the Russians (or are they now?).


You should watch this BBC video.

Of course these guys are a minority, but the interim government also passed a bill revoking the rights of Ukraine’s regions to make Russian an official language alongside Ukrainian. That law was quickly revoked, but yeah there's enough evidence to see why they would have concerned about their safety and their rights.

On the other hand:



Of course, you can't prove at what time each photo was taken, etc.
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humbert wrote:
thupercoach wrote:
humbert wrote:
paladisious wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
Am i right in saying the eastern part of the country has less Ethnic Ukrainians due to the Ukrainian famine and later Russian immigration?

No I think the ethnic balance was roughly the same before Hodomor, and even before the formation of the USSR.


Yeah. Biggest demographic change has been the expulsion of the Tatar.


In the 1930s under Stalin I believe, but will stand corrected. Russians have definitely put down roots in the place but the area's ethnic mix isn't up for discussion as no one is threatening the Russians of the area. Any attempt by Putin to paint the invasion as being the protection of the ethnic Russians is nothing more than a smokescreen. It's a land grab, pure and simple.


Exactly right. Necessary pretense for an action planned in advance.


You should probably both read up a bit more on the joint history of both countries, I think. They've barely ever been part of separate nation states from the middle ages until the 1990's, of course they're demographically intertwined.
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paladisious wrote:
humbert wrote:
thupercoach wrote:
humbert wrote:
paladisious wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
Am i right in saying the eastern part of the country has less Ethnic Ukrainians due to the Ukrainian famine and later Russian immigration?

No I think the ethnic balance was roughly the same before Hodomor, and even before the formation of the USSR.


Yeah. Biggest demographic change has been the expulsion of the Tatar.


In the 1930s under Stalin I believe, but will stand corrected. Russians have definitely put down roots in the place but the area's ethnic mix isn't up for discussion as no one is threatening the Russians of the area. Any attempt by Putin to paint the invasion as being the protection of the ethnic Russians is nothing more than a smokescreen. It's a land grab, pure and simple.


Exactly right. Necessary pretense for an action planned in advance.


You should probably both read up a bit more on the joint history of both countries, I think. They've barely ever been part of separate nation states from the middle ages until the 1990's, of course they're demographically intertwined.


I don't see how that negates what I was saying.
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humbert wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
Why have you said nothing about the regular arms shipments Russia and Iran have transferred to Syria? In point of fact; Iran has sent troops to Syria with little or no protest on your part.

Recently as in al- Qusayr, and Ghouta. No word of protest at the use of gas against civilians either.


Russia is allied with Syria in the same way the USA is allied with Australia
Russia has a navel port in Syria at Tartus, as they also have at Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine
why wouldnt they want to protect their military interests?

how is this any different from Australia hosting numerous bases and troops of the USA?


:oops: :oops: :oops: You've done it again.


exposed the hypocrisy of your position again, yes

furthermore, Russia is also a trading partner with Syria. they had long standing pre-existing contracts to sell them arms.
As for the gas attacks in Syria, there is no evidence to support this was perpetrated by the government. its merely speculation from sources connected with the militant terrorist rebels.


1 - Is there any conceivable difference between Syria and Australia?
2 - Have you read the findings of the UN Commission charged with investigating Ghouta?


1. relevance?
2. yes, it was entirely based on the content of the residue rather than the origin of the attack

they proved a gas attack, they didnt prove who did it

the wrong questions were asked
or if you are the taskforce, ask only the questions relevant to the outcome you want to receive
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This thread is like............world war 3.



Edited by iridium1010: 3/3/2014 02:42:07 PM
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ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
Why have you said nothing about the regular arms shipments Russia and Iran have transferred to Syria? In point of fact; Iran has sent troops to Syria with little or no protest on your part.

Recently as in al- Qusayr, and Ghouta. No word of protest at the use of gas against civilians either.


Russia is allied with Syria in the same way the USA is allied with Australia
Russia has a navel port in Syria at Tartus, as they also have at Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine
why wouldnt they want to protect their military interests?

how is this any different from Australia hosting numerous bases and troops of the USA?


:oops: :oops: :oops: You've done it again.


exposed the hypocrisy of your position again, yes

furthermore, Russia is also a trading partner with Syria. they had long standing pre-existing contracts to sell them arms.
As for the gas attacks in Syria, there is no evidence to support this was perpetrated by the government. its merely speculation from sources connected with the militant terrorist rebels.


1 - Is there any conceivable difference between Syria and Australia?
2 - Have you read the findings of the UN Commission charged with investigating Ghouta?


1. relevance?
2. yes, it was entirely based on the content of the residue rather than the origin of the attack

they proved a gas attack, they didnt prove who did it

the wrong questions were asked
or if you are the taskforce, ask only the questions relevant to the outcome you want to receive


1 - In one breath you equate a military relationship with Australia (a democratic country I need not say), with a military relationship with Syria, a deranged fascist-family fiefdom. And you have the gall to wail, hypocrisy.
2 - You clearly haven't read the report, or other readings on the matter. The trajectory of the chemicals have been conclusively shown to have come from Baath controlled territory. Judge them by their fruits; only the Syrian government has the logistical capability to inflict such an attack. The only victims of the attack were Sunni civilians and opposition forces. There was no corresponding chemical attack on majority Allawite sectors.

Keep spouting shit, you clown.
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When Russia invaded Georgia a few years ago, it caused Ned Zelic to retire. These terrible dressers must be stopped before they commit another atrocity akin to Ned's retirement.

Really? How so? :-k

When Russia had issues with/invaded Georgia in 2008, Ned decided it was too unstable and unsafe for him (and maybe his family as well, from memory), so he left his club in Georgia and returned to Australia.

Honestly never knew that, nor knew he was playing in Georgia. :-k

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humbert wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
Why have you said nothing about the regular arms shipments Russia and Iran have transferred to Syria? In point of fact; Iran has sent troops to Syria with little or no protest on your part.

Recently as in al- Qusayr, and Ghouta. No word of protest at the use of gas against civilians either.


Russia is allied with Syria in the same way the USA is allied with Australia
Russia has a navel port in Syria at Tartus, as they also have at Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine
why wouldnt they want to protect their military interests?

how is this any different from Australia hosting numerous bases and troops of the USA?


:oops: :oops: :oops: You've done it again.


exposed the hypocrisy of your position again, yes

furthermore, Russia is also a trading partner with Syria. they had long standing pre-existing contracts to sell them arms.
As for the gas attacks in Syria, there is no evidence to support this was perpetrated by the government. its merely speculation from sources connected with the militant terrorist rebels.


1 - Is there any conceivable difference between Syria and Australia?
2 - Have you read the findings of the UN Commission charged with investigating Ghouta?


1. relevance?
2. yes, it was entirely based on the content of the residue rather than the origin of the attack

they proved a gas attack, they didnt prove who did it

the wrong questions were asked
or if you are the taskforce, ask only the questions relevant to the outcome you want to receive


1 - In one breath you equate a military relationship with Australia (a democratic country I need not say), with a military relationship with Syria, a deranged fascist-family fiefdom. And you have the gall to wail, hypocrisy.
2 - You clearly haven't read the report, or other readings on the matter. The trajectory of the chemicals have been conclusively shown to have come from Baath controlled territory. Judge them by their fruits; only the Syrian government has the logistical capability to inflict such an attack. The only victims of the attack were Sunni civilians and opposition forces. There was no corresponding chemical attack on majority Allawite sectors.

Keep spouting shit, you clown.


1. you asked what the differences are? how is that relevant? its an open ended question which can only create smoke.
2. "the trajectory of the chemicals"? are you serious? how naive are you to believe that is some kind of proof...#-o

do you really think Assad was going to be dumb enough to use chemical weapons against civilians at the same time the US president was goading him to do just that? dont bother answering that, you probably do


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http://www.un.org/disarmament/content/slideshow/Secretary_General_Report_of_CW_Investigation.pdf
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/09/syria-un-report-ghouta-sarin-rocket-attack
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/16/sarin-attack-crimes-syria-justice
http://www.hrw.org/print/reports/2013/09/10/attacks-ghouta
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/human-rights-watch/mapping-the-sarin-flight_b_3941671.html


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so now you're going to spam me with a bunch of opinion pieces using pseudo science from tabloid media?

linking the actual investigation, doesnt change anything about the fact you cannot determine the source of a chemical attack from chemical residue at the target site

have you even read the report yourself? it doesnt say anything about who launched the rockets containing the Sarin material, it only verifies that Sarin material was used in surface to surface rockets


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Very interesting

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How The IMF Plan To Loot Ukraine

NOW THAT VICTORIA NULAND (born Nudelman, married to Jewish neocon Kagan), got "Yatz The Yid" to head Kiev’s illegitimate regime, the IMF can easily loot Ukraine.

The IMF, as an organized arm of Jewish banking, has two jackboots. Alternately they trample on the people. They work in a coordinated cadence.

First the left jackboot reels out the credit and hooks the impoverished and desperate borrower on the credit bait.

This is the loan phase. It’s a soft kick with honey-coated poison as its bait.

When the debtors, like Ukraine, abandoning help from Christian Putin, can’t service the debt, they reel them in with the right jackboot of austerity, cutting pensions and social services, devaluation of currency, higher taxes and utilities, foreclosure and privatization.

This is the looting phase. Inflation and recession don’t cause loss. They cause transfer to Jews.

Yatz The Yid (Arseniy Yatsenyuk) is Jewry’s perfect proxy. He’s begging for money.

“Yatz” vows that Kiev will meet all the demands that the Washington-based IMF wants to enslave Ukraine with.

That’s how the looting begins, with a head of State begging for money who is soon handed a restructuring agreement, pre-drafted for ‘voluntary’ signature.

“Don’t panic!” IMF’s Gentile window dressing LaGarde assured Yatz the Yid. “We’re going to come and help you!”

Yatsenyuk has already initiated IMF’s “help,” that is, “looting,” by imposing limits on cash withdrawals to $1400 a day on checking accounts and $335 a day on ATM withdrawals. A sneak-preview of “bail ins” HAS begun.

With enslavement guaranteed, one asks, “What will the IMF target for looting?”

The industries, linked with Russia since Soviet days, located in Russian-leaning Eastern/Southern Ukraine of which Western Ukraine is dependent for domestic goods and tax revenue, that’s what.

It’s not for “looks” and “provocation” that pro-Russian militias and barricades are popping up throughout entry points into Eastern Ukraine.

Russian interests abound in Eastern/Southern Ukraine of which Putin will act according to Russia’s 2010 Military Doctrine.

“If there is a direct threat to our national interests we will defend ourselves,” said the National Security Council upon issuance of the Doctrine.

Indeed, there IS a threat to Russia’s national interests in Ukraine. Nuland’s JewSA wants to weaken Russia’s regional and global influence via a three-pronged attack:

1) Bring Ukraine’s Eastern industries—economically tied to Russia—into IMF’s clutches; 2) Cancel Russia’s lease of its Black Sea Fleet in Crimea’s Sevastopol warm water port, cutting off Russia’s access to the Mediterranean; 3) Install a NATO base in its place.

First of all, Eastern Ukraine’s industries are inextricably linked to Russia’s Military Industrial Complex supporting their military bases.

Second, Yats The Yid’s deputy prime minister just called for the cancellation of Russia’s lease, known as the Kharkiv Agreements.

Putin will not allow this to happen. His warm water access to Iran, Syria, and Egypt depends on it. He’s acting fast, catching the JewSA with its pants down as he did in South Ossetia in 2008.

Both houses of Russia’s parliament, The Federation Council, has unanimously (even his political enemies) granted Putin the authority to deploy Russian troops into Crimea where the majority are loyal Russian Orthodox Christians.

The Council is apparently enraged with Obama’s veiled threats to further destabilize Ukraine and that if Russia uses military force it would “pay the costs.”

Before the vote took place, Russian senators said that Obama had threatened Russia and insulted the Russian people. They demanded that Putin recall the Russian ambassador to the USA.

Not only are Putin’s political enemies rallying behind him to protect Russia’s economic, military, and social interests in Crimea, but even Ukraine’s Navy Flag Ship is siding with Russia. The ship has hoisted the Flag of St Andrew, the ensign of the Russian Navy.

NULAND’S little yid…”Yatz”…is wetting his pants. His request to Turkey to stop the ship en route to Sevastopol, went unheeded. To add insult to the Yid’s injury, the entire Ukraine Navy Command resigned.

Kiev’s illegitimate ‘acting president’ made a BIG mistake in sacking Admiral Yuri Ilyin as Chief of Staff. The Navy struck back.

Apparently, they don’t want JEWS ruling and looting their country…and Putin WILL protect Russia’s interests against the designs of the Jew-ruled West.

Bravo Vladimir Putin! Protector of Christians worldwide!

http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=908

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Im going to give you some information which you probably never considered and has been effectively hidden from the populace in general, so prepare your mind. All governments and major international organisations such as banks and religions have been infiltrated by an invisible world government of shape shifting reptilians whose ultimate goal is a one world government destroying all national sovreignty. Do some more research and once you're aware of the Agenda and the methods used to implement it it's much easier to make sense of global events. You're welcome.



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The real "Ukraine" - Turkey's illegal occupation of Cyprus

Since its invasion of Cyprus in 1974, Turkey has claimed that it was acting as a protector and guarantor of the island’s security. But a closer examination of its actions on Cyprus indicates motivations of a very different character. Turkey’s invasion resulted in hundreds of thousands of Greek Cypriot refugees, who have been unable to return to their homes for almost 40 years. The international community has repeatedly condemned the illegal military occupation of Cyprus by Turkish troops. The United Nations Security Council has passed 75 resolutions calling for Turkey to allow Greek Cypriots to return to their homes and to withdraw its troops from Cyprus. Yet Turkey continues its occupation.

More than 40,000 heavily armed Turkish soldiers are occupying the northern part of the country, with one Turkish soldier for every two Turkish-Cypriots. The presence of this overwhelming force cannot be justified by the claims that they are needed to prevent any renewal of violence. In fact, since the 2003 opening of the border between the two communities, more than 17 million intercommunal visits have occurred without conflict.

The result of this occupation by foreign troops is that many Cypriot neighborhoods in the occupied areas remain vacant or in a state of disrepair. One of the most tragic examples is the Varosha region of Famagusta. Once an important commercial and tourism center for the island, Varosha was fenced off following the invasion, and access has been prohibited for all except Turkish military forces. Over the years, this area has become a virtual ghost town.

The desolation of Cypriot properties and cultural sites is not restricted to Varosha but is a reality in all the areas under Turkish military occupation. In fact, an estimated 520 Greek Orthodox churches and chapels, and 17 monasteries in the occupied areas have been pillaged, vandalized or destroyed. Often these religious sites have been converted into stables, bars, nightclubs, casinos or hotels, leaving more than 15,000 religious artifacts unaccounted for. This widespread destruction of Cypriot historic, religious and cultural identity certainly does not seem like the behavior of a “protective guardian.”

Turkey also continues to interfere in the domestic affairs of Cyprus, especially the negotiations on reunification. The goal of these talks is a Cypriot-developed, mutually agreeable settlement based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation with political equality, including a single sovereignty, single citizenship and single international presence. But instead of allowing the representatives from the Turkish-Cypriot community to engage freely in the talks, the Turkish government has imposed its own criteria, which has made an agreement all but impossible.

Turkey also has tried to limit Cyprus‘ sovereign rights to develop its energy resources. Despite the island’s critical energy needs, Turkey declared last year that it had “nullified” the exploration agreement between Cyprus and Israel even though it has no right to do so. Turkey escalated the conflict by sending its own ships to the region and even threatened military action if Cyprus continued in its project with Israel. Although from the beginning, Republic of Cyprus President Demetris Christofias guaranteed that any energy resources discovered would be used for the benefit of all Cypriots, Turkish officials claimed their actions were to protect the rights of the Turkish-Cypriots.

Reports by the Turkish-Cypriot media indicate that the Turkish government continues to promote illegal immigration by Turks to the northern occupied areas of Cyprus with the goal of changing the demographic composition of the island. According to people administering the occupied area, there are an estimated 160,000 settlers from Turkey, many of whom occupy the homes of the evicted Greek-Cypriots. However, reports in the Turkish-Cypriot press from Turkish-Cypriots who live among the Turkish settlers put this number between 500,000 and 800,000. A recent “census” in the north indicated that the total population in the north had increased to nearly 300,000 people. Just 88,900 of them were native Turkish-Cypriots, who are outnumbered by illegal Turkish immigrants by a ratio of almost 2-1.

Ankara’s support for these illegal immigrants is not welcomed by the native Turkish-Cypriot community. In fact, Stella Altziman, who resides in that region of Cyprus, wrote in 2010: “Due to constant migration from Turkey, [the northern occupied area] is like a Turkish province” and the native Turkish-Cypriots have become a minority in their own land. Last year, many Turkish-Cypriots protested Turkey’s policies toward Cyprus, with some carrying banners that read, “Ankara, get your hands off our shores.” Yet Turkey continues to flood its areas of occupation with illegal Turkish immigrants. In his visit to Cyprus last year, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan mocked the Turkish-Cypriots, stating, “If you don’t want us to send people, you need to have more babies.”

By its occupation, Turkey is “guaranteeing” nothing but a creeping annexation. It is time for Turkey to withdraw its military troops, end all support for illegal immigration to Cyprus and let the true inhabitants of the island determine their own future. Only then will the long-suffering Cypriot people finally enjoy the peace and security they have been trying so desperately to achieve for decades.

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I visited Cyprus last summer and I can say that this article is absolutely true and correct. The native-born Turkish Cypriots have mostly fled to England. The people who live in the occupied zone are Turks, not Cypriots, and do not seem to care about Cyprus. Everything is run-down and in disrepair. The people who work in the tourist bureaus do not speak English OR Greek and are grumpy and bored, as opposed to those of Free Cyprus who are enthusiastic and multilingual. The occupied zone has an ugly military monument every few feet and Turkish flags are draped over everything. It reminded me very much of what East Europe was like under the Communists. I would also add that Free Cyprus has thousands of Palestinian refugees who are generously supported by the government. They live in clean hotels and their children all have laptop computers.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/15/time-for-turkey-to-leave-cyprus-in-peace/


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12 hour Ultimatum handed down.

Awww shit.

-PB

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paulbagzFC wrote:
12 hour Ultimatum handed down.

Awww shit.

-PB

Wasn't there an utimatum declared for 03:00 GMT - around 1:00pm AEST? If that's the one you're talking about, then it's gone and so-far Russia hasn't done anything.

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It's all over. Anything else is just rhetoric (or false flag).

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Putin Already Won In Ukraine

WITHOUT A SHOT being fired, Putin has secured a thorough purge of Ukrainian authority from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea (ARC).

As home to Russia’s Black Sea Fleet in the port of Sevastopol, Putin can now be assured that his access to Egypt, Syria, and Iran—wherein his opposition to the agenda of the Jew-ruled West is bearing fruit—will not be compromised.

Contrary to reports by the New York Times (Jew York Times), Putin NEVER “invaded” or “besieged” Ukraine.

It has been proven, ironically by the same Jew York Times, that Crimean “provisional armed forces” of the ARC and NOT Russian soldiers are the ones guarding sensitive infrastructure entities in the peninsula.

Indeed, the provisional army is made up of Crimea’s own home boys…in their apparently brand new uniforms bought from Russia.

As for Russian soldiers patrolling sensitive areas in Sevastopol and Crimea, CIA Director John Brennan briefed lawmakers today that Russia’s military movements in Ukraine is “permitted” under a 1997 treaty between the two neighbors that allows as many as 25,000 Russian troops in the Crimean region.

“The number of Russian troops that have surged onto the Ukrainian peninsula in recent days remains well below the 25,000 threshold,” Brennan affirmed.

The Crimean government, although it sacked the Kiev-based regional government, will remain part of Ukraine but will strengthen its autonomy as a “federated” republic.

Until the pending amended constitutional referendum is voted on at the end of March, Crimea remains a provisional autonomous government.

Here’s the lay of the geopolitical ground in Ukraine:

1) With Putin upholding regional and international treaties;

2) With the Crimean government organizing its own Defense Ministry;

3) With Ukraine’s Navy Commander Berezovsky pledging an oath to the Crimean people;

4) With an entire Ukraine Air Force Base switching allegiance to Crimea, refusing to take orders from the new, self-appointed government in Kiev;

5) With Ukraine military units refusing orders from the illegitimate regime in Kiev;

6) With the EU unlikely to match the US in threatening sanctions against Russia;

7) With Odessa and two other southern Ukrainian capitals expressing willingness to become a part of the ARC…all that’s left for Putin to do is to put the screws on Kiev and his work is finished.

BOTTOM LINE: Putin insists that the illegitimate regime in Kiev MUST comply with the EU-brokered February 21st Agreement which insures a lawful government until the agreed-upon December elections.

http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=909#comment-1526691

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Can somebody just ban Polemides indefinitely.

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