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Thought it was worth its own thread. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/01/uk-ukraine-idUKBREA1H0EM20140301Quote:(Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin demanded and won his parliament's approval on Saturday to invade Ukraine, where the new government warned of war, put its troops on high alert and appealed to NATO for help.
Putin's open assertion of the right to send troops to a country of 46 million people on the ramparts of central Europe creates the biggest confrontation between Russia and the West since the Cold War.
Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk, leading a government that took power after Moscow's ally Viktor Yanukovich fled a week ago, said Russian military action "would be the beginning of war and the end of any relations between Ukraine and Russia".
Acting President Oleksander Turchinov ordered troops to be placed on high combat alert. Foreign Minister Andriy Deshchytsya said he had met European and U.S. officials and sent a request to NATO to "examine all possibilities to protect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine".
Putin's move was a direct rebuff to Western leaders who had repeatedly urged Russia not to intervene, including U.S. President Barack Obama, who just a day before had held a televised address to warn Moscow of "costs" if it acted.
Troops with no insignia on their uniforms but clearly Russian - some in vehicles with Russian number plates - have already seized Crimea, an isolated peninsula in the Black Sea where Moscow has a large military presence in the headquarters of its Black Sea Fleet. Kiev's new authorities have been powerless to stop them.
The Russian forces solidified their control of Crimea and unrest spread to other parts of Ukraine on Saturday. Pro-Russian demonstrators clashed, sometimes violently, with supporters of Ukraine's new authorities and raised the Russian flag over government buildings in several cities.
"This is probably the most dangerous situation in Europe since the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968," said a Western official on condition of anonymity. "Realistically, we have to assume the Crimea is in Russian hands. The challenge now is to deter Russia from taking over the Russian-speaking east of Ukraine."
Putin asked parliament to approve force "in connection with the extraordinary situation in Ukraine, the threat to the lives of citizens of the Russian Federation, our compatriots" and to protect the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea.
The upper house swiftly delivered a unanimous "yes" vote, shown live on television.
Western capitals scrambled for a response, but it was limited to words. A U.S. official said Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel had spoken to his Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu. The official said there had been no change in U.S. military posture.
EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton urged Moscow not to send troops. Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said this would be "clearly against international law". Czech President Milos Zeman likened the crisis to the 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia.
"Urgent need for de-escalation in Crimea," tweeted NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen. "NATO allies continue to coordinate closely."
Putin said his request for authorisation to use force in Ukraine would last "until the normalisation of the socio-political situation in that country". His justification - the need to protect Russian citizens - was the same as he used to launch a 2008 invasion of Georgia, where Russian forces seized two breakaway regions and recognised them as independent.
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So far there has been no sign of Russian military action in Ukraine outside Crimea, the only part of the country with a Russian ethnic majority, which has often voiced separatist aims.
A potentially bigger risk would be conflict spreading to the rest of Ukraine, where the sides could not be easily kept apart.
As tension built on Saturday, demonstrations occasionally turned violent in eastern cities, where most people, though ethnically Ukrainian, are Russian speakers and many support Moscow and Yanukovich.
Demonstrators flew Russian flags on government buildings in the cities of Kharkiv, Donetsk, Odessa and Dnipropetrovsk.
In Kharkiv, scores of people were wounded in clashes when thousands of pro-Russian activists stormed the regional government headquarters, and fought pitched battles with a smaller number of supporters of Ukraine's new authorities.
Pro-Russian demonstrators wielded axe handles and chains against those defending the building with plastic shields.
In Donetsk, Yanukovich's home region, lawmakers declared they were seeking a referendum on the region's status.
"We do not recognise the authorities in Kiev, they are not legitimate," protest leader Pavel Guberev thundered from a podium in Donetsk.
Thousands of followers, holding a giant Russian flag and chanting "Russia, Russia" marched to the government headquarters and replaced the Ukrainian flag with Russia's.
Coal miner Gennady Pavlov said he backed Putin's declaration of the right to intervene. "It is time to put an end to this lawlessness. Russians are our brothers. I support the forces."
"WAR HAS ARRIVED"
On Kiev's central Independence Square, where protesters camped out for months against Yanukovich, a World War Two film about Crimea was being shown on a giant screen, when Yuri Lutsenko, a former interior minister, interrupted it to announce Putin's decree. "War has arrived," Lutsenko said.
Hundreds of Ukrainians descended on the square chanting "Glory to the heroes. Death to the occupiers."
Although there was little doubt that the troops without insignia that have already seized Crimea are Russian, the Kremlin has not yet openly confirmed it. It described Saturday's authorisation as a threat for future action rather than confirmation that its soldiers are already involved.
A Kremlin spokesman said Putin had not yet decided to use force, and still hoped to avoid further escalation.
In Crimea itself, the arrival of troops was cheered by the Russian majority. In the coastal town of Balaclava, where Russian-speaking troops in armoured vehicles with black Russian number plates had encircled a small garrison of Ukrainian border guards, families posed for pictures with the soldiers. A wedding party honked its car horns.
"I want to live with Russia. I want to join Russia," said Alla Batura, a petite 71-year-old pensioner who has lived in Sevastopol for 50 years. "They are good lads...They are protecting us, so we feel safe."
But not everyone was reassured. Inna, 21, a clerk in a nearby shop who came out to stare at the APCs, said: "I am in shock. I don't understand what the hell this is... People say they came here to protect us. Who knows? ... All of our (Ukrainian) military are probably out at sea by now."
The rapid pace of events has rattled the new leaders of Ukraine, who took power in a nation on the verge of bankruptcy when Yanukovich fled Kiev last week after his police killed scores of anti-Russian protesters in Kiev. Ukraine's crisis began in November when Yanukovich, at Moscow's behest, abandoned a free trade pact with the EU for closer ties with Russia.
For many in Ukraine, the prospect of a military conflict chilled the blood.
"When a Slav fights another Slav, the result is devastating," said Natalia Kuharchuk, a Kiev accountant.
"God save us." Is being reported by the Guardian as well: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/01/ukraine-warns-russia-military-crimea-intervention-war
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paladisious
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Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. Hopefully this is just Putin waving his semi around and it de-escelates peacefully, an actual conflict would help absolutely nobody. I'm close to people on both sides of this divide, and indeed this would be tearing families apart there. I've been keeping up to date with the live feed on the Guardian site.
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Just waiting for the sycophants to come on and suggest that Putin is acting reasonably.
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Wow; Quote:Ukrainian Pravda report that Ukrainian football clubs could be banned from international competitions after the Ukrainian Football Union was taken over by a militia, believed to be connected to Dynamo Kiev.
Political organisations are banned from interfering with the affairs of football according to Fifa and Uefa regulations. -PB
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Quote:Ukraine’s Navy flagship, the Hetman Sahaidachny frigate, has reportedly refused to follow orders from Kiev, and come over to Russia’s side and is returning home after taking part in NATO operation in the Gulf of Aden flying the Russian naval flag.
There has been conflicting information on where exactly the vessel is, but a Russian senator has confirmed to Izvestia daily that the frigate defected to the Russian side.
“Ukraine’s Navy flagship the Hetman Sahaidachny has come over to our side today. It has hung out the St Andrew’s flag,” Senator Igor Morozov, a member of the committee on the international affairs, told Izvestia daily. seems the ukraine navy dont want to follow orders of the new leader
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paulbagzFC wrote:Wow; Quote:Ukrainian Pravda report that Ukrainian football clubs could be banned from international competitions after the Ukrainian Football Union was taken over by a militia, believed to be connected to Dynamo Kiev.
Political organisations are banned from interfering with the affairs of football according to Fifa and Uefa regulations. -PB wont surprise me to see blatter under pressure to kick russia out of the world cup over this
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paladisious wrote:Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. That doesn't give a them a right to invade another sovereign nation does it. The western half of Ukraine belongs to as much to Ukraine as does the eastern half , and none of it belongs to Russia.
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rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. That doesn't give a them a right to invade another sovereign nation does it. The western half of Ukraine belongs to as much to Ukraine as does the eastern half , and none of it belongs to Russia. were you ok with the US, Qatar and Saudi Arabia funding insurgents to overthrow Assad in Syria? were you ok with them doing the same thing in Libya, and earlier invading Iraq and Afghanistan? if not then fine, you're not a hypocrite in any way
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One of the most depressing places in the whole world, Ukraine
Its population is actually shrinking and its also the country where Chernobyl is
Stay away from such a place
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Condemned666 wrote:One of the most depressing places in the whole world, Ukraine It's a beautiful country. Condemned666 wrote:Its population is actually shrinking and its also the country where Chernobyl is
Stay away from such a place Stay away from Japan too, then?
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rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. That doesn't give a them a right to invade another sovereign nation does it. The western half of Ukraine belongs to as much to Ukraine as does the eastern half , and none of it belongs to Russia. I don't disagree, stupid, provocative move.
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paladisious wrote:Condemned666 wrote:One of the most depressing places in the whole world, Ukraine It's a beautiful country Its Not high on my list of destinations I'd like to visit, bro I actually did a pisstake at the bookshop this afternoon showing the lonely planet cover of Ukraine, "The Happiest Place on Earth" :lol: Although it did bring us the magic of Andrei Shevchenko
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Ukraine has mobilised its troops, U.K. And U.S. Have a treaty to protect Ukraine which they're now calling on.
My bet is Putin could be waiting for any incident to use as justification for an invasion, which is probably why Ukraine hasn't reacted despite an obvious major breach of sovereignty.
Thanks for feed Palad, I've also been glued to tv.
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Where's the "no blood for oil" rentacrowd?
Re welcoming civilians - nazi troops were welcomed with flowers in Sudetenland. And Austria.
This is disgusting and criminal from the Russians. Had it been the US invading Grenada or whoever half this forum would have an apoplectic fit.
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thupercoach wrote:Where's the "no blood for oil" rentacrowd?
Re welcoming civilians - nazi troops were welcomed with flowers in Sudetenland. And Austria.
This is disgusting and criminal from the Russians. Had it been the US invading Grenada or whoever half this forum would have an apoplectic fit.
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ricecrackers wrote:rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. That doesn't give a them a right to invade another sovereign nation does it. The western half of Ukraine belongs to as much to Ukraine as does the eastern half , and none of it belongs to Russia. were you ok with the US, Qatar and Saudi Arabia funding insurgents to overthrow Assad in Syria? were you ok with them doing the same thing in Libya, and earlier invading Iraq and Afghanistan? if not then fine, you're not a hypocrite in any way Equating action against a desiccated quasi-fascist regime, a regime run by a deranged geriatric calling for 'rivers of blood', and a regime of 6th century peasant warlords, with an intrusion against an, albeit imperfect, democratic country. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
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I still don't understand how anyone can view this correctly, how the fuck are you allowed to breach borders in the name of defending "Russian citizens"? If they don't like it, fuck them off back to Russia ffs. -PB
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humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. That doesn't give a them a right to invade another sovereign nation does it. The western half of Ukraine belongs to as much to Ukraine as does the eastern half , and none of it belongs to Russia. were you ok with the US, Qatar and Saudi Arabia funding insurgents to overthrow Assad in Syria? were you ok with them doing the same thing in Libya, and earlier invading Iraq and Afghanistan? if not then fine, you're not a hypocrite in any way Equating action against a desiccated quasi-fascist regime, a regime run by a deranged geriatric calling for 'rivers of blood', and a regime of 6th century peasant warlords, with an intrusion against an, albeit imperfect, democratic country. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) please tell us more, you seem abundantly informed on this topic
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ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. That doesn't give a them a right to invade another sovereign nation does it. The western half of Ukraine belongs to as much to Ukraine as does the eastern half , and none of it belongs to Russia. were you ok with the US, Qatar and Saudi Arabia funding insurgents to overthrow Assad in Syria? were you ok with them doing the same thing in Libya, and earlier invading Iraq and Afghanistan? if not then fine, you're not a hypocrite in any way Equating action against a desiccated quasi-fascist regime, a regime run by a deranged geriatric calling for 'rivers of blood', and a regime of 6th century peasant warlords, with an intrusion against an, albeit imperfect, democratic country. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) please tell us more, you seem abundantly informed on this topic Invading non-democratic regimes - =d> Invading a democratic country because they removed the president you support (legally according to parliamentary protocol) - :x Can you tell the difference between the two?
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humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. That doesn't give a them a right to invade another sovereign nation does it. The western half of Ukraine belongs to as much to Ukraine as does the eastern half , and none of it belongs to Russia. were you ok with the US, Qatar and Saudi Arabia funding insurgents to overthrow Assad in Syria? were you ok with them doing the same thing in Libya, and earlier invading Iraq and Afghanistan? if not then fine, you're not a hypocrite in any way Equating action against a desiccated quasi-fascist regime, a regime run by a deranged geriatric calling for 'rivers of blood', and a regime of 6th century peasant warlords, with an intrusion against an, albeit imperfect, democratic country. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) please tell us more, you seem abundantly informed on this topic Invading non-democratic regimes - =d> Invading a democratic country because they removed the president you support (legally according to parliamentary protocol) - :x Can you tell the difference between the two? so its ok to invade any country where its head of state was not democratically elected is your position?
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ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. That doesn't give a them a right to invade another sovereign nation does it. The western half of Ukraine belongs to as much to Ukraine as does the eastern half , and none of it belongs to Russia. were you ok with the US, Qatar and Saudi Arabia funding insurgents to overthrow Assad in Syria? were you ok with them doing the same thing in Libya, and earlier invading Iraq and Afghanistan? if not then fine, you're not a hypocrite in any way Equating action against a desiccated quasi-fascist regime, a regime run by a deranged geriatric calling for 'rivers of blood', and a regime of 6th century peasant warlords, with an intrusion against an, albeit imperfect, democratic country. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) please tell us more, you seem abundantly informed on this topic Invading non-democratic regimes - =d> Invading a democratic country because they removed the president you support (legally according to parliamentary protocol) - :x Can you tell the difference between the two? so its ok to invade any country where its head of state was not democratically elected is your position? There are, of course, other considerations, but in the main, yes. I consider all non-democratic regimes illegitimate. Do you not?
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humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. That doesn't give a them a right to invade another sovereign nation does it. The western half of Ukraine belongs to as much to Ukraine as does the eastern half , and none of it belongs to Russia. were you ok with the US, Qatar and Saudi Arabia funding insurgents to overthrow Assad in Syria? were you ok with them doing the same thing in Libya, and earlier invading Iraq and Afghanistan? if not then fine, you're not a hypocrite in any way Equating action against a desiccated quasi-fascist regime, a regime run by a deranged geriatric calling for 'rivers of blood', and a regime of 6th century peasant warlords, with an intrusion against an, albeit imperfect, democratic country. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) please tell us more, you seem abundantly informed on this topic Invading non-democratic regimes - =d> Invading a democratic country because they removed the president you support (legally according to parliamentary protocol) - :x Can you tell the difference between the two? so its ok to invade any country where its head of state was not democratically elected is your position? There are, of course, other considerations, but in the main, yes. I consider all non-democratic regimes illegitimate. Do you not? so the Chinese regime is illegitimate? when do you think we should invade?
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ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. That doesn't give a them a right to invade another sovereign nation does it. The western half of Ukraine belongs to as much to Ukraine as does the eastern half , and none of it belongs to Russia. were you ok with the US, Qatar and Saudi Arabia funding insurgents to overthrow Assad in Syria? were you ok with them doing the same thing in Libya, and earlier invading Iraq and Afghanistan? if not then fine, you're not a hypocrite in any way Equating action against a desiccated quasi-fascist regime, a regime run by a deranged geriatric calling for 'rivers of blood', and a regime of 6th century peasant warlords, with an intrusion against an, albeit imperfect, democratic country. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) please tell us more, you seem abundantly informed on this topic Invading non-democratic regimes - =d> Invading a democratic country because they removed the president you support (legally according to parliamentary protocol) - :x Can you tell the difference between the two? so its ok to invade any country where its head of state was not democratically elected is your position? There are, of course, other considerations, but in the main, yes. I consider all non-democratic regimes illegitimate. Do you not? so the Chinese regime is illegitimate? when do you think we should invade? Yes, the communist regime is illegitimate. On the question of invasion, read my other post - "other considerations"
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When Russia invaded Georgia a few years ago, it caused Ned Zelic to retire. These terrible dressers must be stopped before they commit another atrocity akin to Ned's retirement.
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Eastern Glory wrote:When Russia invaded Georgia a few years ago, it caused Ned Zelic to retire. These terrible dressers must be stopped before they commit another atrocity akin to Ned's retirement. Really? How so? :-k
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paulbagzFC wrote:I still don't understand how anyone can view this correctly, how the fuck are you allowed to breach borders in the name of defending "Russian citizens"?
If they don't like it, fuck them off back to Russia ffs.
-PB They were the same country for decades as the USSR, there was no need to tell the difference between Russian and Ukrainian citizens then obviously. Go further back towards that to the Russian Empire and the medieval states of the Kievan Rus, etc and they were still intertwined to say the least. Now, very many people in the western half of Russia are not just ethnically Russian and Russian language speakers but also Russian passport holders, like the Prime Minister of Crimea who called for Russian military support. I'm not advocating one "side" over the other, but simply saying that it's a much more rich tapestry than Country A invading Country B, and certainly much more to it than a case of telling people to "fuck off back to their own country". They're already in their own country. Fuckers on both sides have to learn to get along.
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paladisious wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:I still don't understand how anyone can view this correctly, how the fuck are you allowed to breach borders in the name of defending "Russian citizens"?
If they don't like it, fuck them off back to Russia ffs.
-PB They were the same country for decades as the USSR, there was no need to tell the difference between Russian and Ukrainian citizens then obviously. Go further back towards that to the Russian Empire and the medieval states of the Kievan Rus, etc and they were still intertwined to say the least. Now, very many people in the western half of Russia are not just ethnically Russian and Russian language speakers but also Russian passport holders, like the Prime Minister of Crimea who called for Russian military support. I'm not advocating one "side" over the other, but simply saying that it's a much more rich tapestry than Country A invading Country B, and certainly much more to it than a case of telling people to "fuck off back to their own country". They're already in their own country. Fuckers on both sides have to learn to get along. Been doing a bit of research on this, as I'm seeing many Russians on the E net saying Ukrainians(along with Belarus) have historically been called Russians and part of Russia. Seems similar to Serbia/Montenegro Austria/Germany.
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Condemned666 wrote:paladisious wrote:Condemned666 wrote:One of the most depressing places in the whole world, Ukraine It's a beautiful country Its Not high on my list of destinations I'd like to visit, bro I actually did a pisstake at the bookshop this afternoon showing the lonely planet cover of Ukraine, "The Happiest Place on Earth" :lol: Although it did bring us the magic of Andrei Shevchenko You're the one missing out, bro.
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Heineken wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:When Russia invaded Georgia a few years ago, it caused Ned Zelic to retire. These terrible dressers must be stopped before they commit another atrocity akin to Ned's retirement. Really? How so? :-k When Russia had issues with/invaded Georgia in 2008, Ned decided it was too unstable and unsafe for him (and maybe his family as well, from memory), so he left his club in Georgia and returned to Australia.
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Iridium1010 wrote:paladisious wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:I still don't understand how anyone can view this correctly, how the fuck are you allowed to breach borders in the name of defending "Russian citizens"?
If they don't like it, fuck them off back to Russia ffs.
-PB They were the same country for decades as the USSR, there was no need to tell the difference between Russian and Ukrainian citizens then obviously. Go further back towards that to the Russian Empire and the medieval states of the Kievan Rus, etc and they were still intertwined to say the least. Now, very many people in the western half of Russia are not just ethnically Russian and Russian language speakers but also Russian passport holders, like the Prime Minister of Crimea who called for Russian military support. I'm not advocating one "side" over the other, but simply saying that it's a much more rich tapestry than Country A invading Country B, and certainly much more to it than a case of telling people to "fuck off back to their own country". They're already in their own country. Fuckers on both sides have to learn to get along. Been doing a bit of research on this, as I'm seeing many Russians on the E net saying Ukrainians(along with Belarus) have historically been called Russians and part of Russia. Seems similar to Serbia/Montenegro Austria/Germany. Partially. They also have their own language, etc much more departed from Russia than, for example, Belarus. Point is half the country are linguistic Ukrainian and half the country and linguistic Russian, with the former the majority in the West and the latter predominant in the West and along the coast. I have friends who answer to both. For 99% of the time they get along just fine, work together, catch the metro together and marry each other. Any minority that suggests Russian speakers shouldn't be able to speak their (almost entirely mutually intelligible) language and are in some way not Ukrainian or should "fuck off back to their own country" are fucked in the head, as are any minority on the opposite side who think the Russian Federation have a right to take over Crimea and other parts of Ukraine.
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Am i right in saying the eastern part of the country has less Ethnic Ukrainians due to the Ukrainian famine and later Russian immigration?
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Ukrainian navy chief has defected.
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Can I just throw one out there - this would not have happened on Bush's watch. With Obama in the White House, Putin is feeling free to have a go. Whoever replaces the idiot supposedly leading America today has got a tough job on his (her?) hands.
Anyway, can't blame the Ukrainian navy for not wanting to fight, they'd get obliterated in literally hours.
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Apparently Putin has defied the US and Russian troops have not departed.
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paladisious wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:I still don't understand how anyone can view this correctly, how the fuck are you allowed to breach borders in the name of defending "Russian citizens"?
If they don't like it, fuck them off back to Russia ffs.
-PB They were the same country for decades as the USSR, there was no need to tell the difference between Russian and Ukrainian citizens then obviously. Go further back towards that to the Russian Empire and the medieval states of the Kievan Rus, etc and they were still intertwined to say the least. Now, very many people in the western half of Russia are not just ethnically Russian and Russian language speakers but also Russian passport holders, like the Prime Minister of Crimea who called for Russian military support. I'm not advocating one "side" over the other, but simply saying that it's a much more rich tapestry than Country A invading Country B, and certainly much more to it than a case of telling people to "fuck off back to their own country". They're already in their own country. Fuckers on both sides have to learn to get along. I understand that, I was referring to the aspect of one country invading another with regards to current international borders and sovereignty in the name of "defense of ethnic Russians". Defense from what? I don't see Ukrainians going out and mob bashing the Russians (or are they now?). All I see, is the previous President they just ousted was pro-Russian and they're worried the new one won't be and that they'd lose their grip on things like the Black Sea base etc. That was the reason for my comments mainly, not so much about the citizens, but Russians bullshit excuse. -PB
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They can take the town of Pripyat for all I care
They might actually have people in that place for the first time in more than 25 years
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paulbagzFC wrote:paladisious wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:I still don't understand how anyone can view this correctly, how the fuck are you allowed to breach borders in the name of defending "Russian citizens"?
If they don't like it, fuck them off back to Russia ffs.
-PB They were the same country for decades as the USSR, there was no need to tell the difference between Russian and Ukrainian citizens then obviously. Go further back towards that to the Russian Empire and the medieval states of the Kievan Rus, etc and they were still intertwined to say the least. Now, very many people in the western half of Russia are not just ethnically Russian and Russian language speakers but also Russian passport holders, like the Prime Minister of Crimea who called for Russian military support. I'm not advocating one "side" over the other, but simply saying that it's a much more rich tapestry than Country A invading Country B, and certainly much more to it than a case of telling people to "fuck off back to their own country". They're already in their own country. Fuckers on both sides have to learn to get along. I understand that, I was referring to the aspect of one country invading another with regards to current international borders and sovereignty in the name of "defense of ethnic Russians". Defense from what? I don't see Ukrainians going out and mob bashing the Russians (or are they now?). All I see, is the previous President they just ousted was pro-Russian and they're worried the new one won't be and that they'd lose their grip on things like the Black Sea base etc. That was the reason for my comments mainly, not so much about the citizens, but Russians bullshit excuse. -PB Pretty much sums it up.
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humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. That doesn't give a them a right to invade another sovereign nation does it. The western half of Ukraine belongs to as much to Ukraine as does the eastern half , and none of it belongs to Russia. were you ok with the US, Qatar and Saudi Arabia funding insurgents to overthrow Assad in Syria? were you ok with them doing the same thing in Libya, and earlier invading Iraq and Afghanistan? if not then fine, you're not a hypocrite in any way Equating action against a desiccated quasi-fascist regime, a regime run by a deranged geriatric calling for 'rivers of blood', and a regime of 6th century peasant warlords, with an intrusion against an, albeit imperfect, democratic country. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) please tell us more, you seem abundantly informed on this topic Invading non-democratic regimes - =d> Invading a democratic country because they removed the president you support (legally according to parliamentary protocol) - :x Can you tell the difference between the two? so its ok to invade any country where its head of state was not democratically elected is your position? There are, of course, other considerations, but in the main, yes. I consider all non-democratic regimes illegitimate. Do you not? so the Chinese regime is illegitimate? when do you think we should invade? Yes, the communist regime is illegitimate. On the question of invasion, read my other post - "other considerations" so the Australian government and many if not most Australian large companies are doing business with an illegitimate regime. no doubt some of your favourite brands are among them. what are these "other considerations" you vaguely speak of?
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ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. That doesn't give a them a right to invade another sovereign nation does it. The western half of Ukraine belongs to as much to Ukraine as does the eastern half , and none of it belongs to Russia. were you ok with the US, Qatar and Saudi Arabia funding insurgents to overthrow Assad in Syria? were you ok with them doing the same thing in Libya, and earlier invading Iraq and Afghanistan? if not then fine, you're not a hypocrite in any way Equating action against a desiccated quasi-fascist regime, a regime run by a deranged geriatric calling for 'rivers of blood', and a regime of 6th century peasant warlords, with an intrusion against an, albeit imperfect, democratic country. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) please tell us more, you seem abundantly informed on this topic Invading non-democratic regimes - =d> Invading a democratic country because they removed the president you support (legally according to parliamentary protocol) - :x Can you tell the difference between the two? so its ok to invade any country where its head of state was not democratically elected is your position? There are, of course, other considerations, but in the main, yes. I consider all non-democratic regimes illegitimate. Do you not? so the Chinese regime is illegitimate? when do you think we should invade? Yes, the communist regime is illegitimate. On the question of invasion, read my other post - "other considerations" so the Australian government and many if not most Australian large companies are doing business with an illegitimate regime. no doubt some of your favourite brands are among them. Got to make money while they're still buying.
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russia, belarus and ukraine all trace their ancestry to kievan rus, they're kinfolk, if there's any trouble you can be sure it's instigated and funded by outside parties
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spfc wrote:russia, belarus and ukraine all trace their ancestry to kievan rus, they're kinfolk, if there's any trouble you can be sure it's instigated and funded by outside parties who would you suggest?
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paulbagzFC wrote:paladisious wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:I still don't understand how anyone can view this correctly, how the fuck are you allowed to breach borders in the name of defending "Russian citizens"?
If they don't like it, fuck them off back to Russia ffs.
-PB They were the same country for decades as the USSR, there was no need to tell the difference between Russian and Ukrainian citizens then obviously. Go further back towards that to the Russian Empire and the medieval states of the Kievan Rus, etc and they were still intertwined to say the least. Now, very many people in the western half of Russia are not just ethnically Russian and Russian language speakers but also Russian passport holders, like the Prime Minister of Crimea who called for Russian military support. I'm not advocating one "side" over the other, but simply saying that it's a much more rich tapestry than Country A invading Country B, and certainly much more to it than a case of telling people to "fuck off back to their own country". They're already in their own country. Fuckers on both sides have to learn to get along. I understand that, I was referring to the aspect of one country invading another with regards to current international borders and sovereignty in the name of "defense of ethnic Russians". Defense from what? I don't see Ukrainians going out and mob bashing the Russians (or are they now?). All I see, is the previous President they just ousted was pro-Russian and they're worried the new one won't be and that they'd lose their grip on things like the Black Sea base etc. That was the reason for my comments mainly, not so much about the citizens, but Russians bullshit excuse. -PB Exactly. Cheap and sinister. Typical Russian imperialism
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ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. That doesn't give a them a right to invade another sovereign nation does it. The western half of Ukraine belongs to as much to Ukraine as does the eastern half , and none of it belongs to Russia. were you ok with the US, Qatar and Saudi Arabia funding insurgents to overthrow Assad in Syria? were you ok with them doing the same thing in Libya, and earlier invading Iraq and Afghanistan? if not then fine, you're not a hypocrite in any way Equating action against a desiccated quasi-fascist regime, a regime run by a deranged geriatric calling for 'rivers of blood', and a regime of 6th century peasant warlords, with an intrusion against an, albeit imperfect, democratic country. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) please tell us more, you seem abundantly informed on this topic Invading non-democratic regimes - =d> Invading a democratic country because they removed the president you support (legally according to parliamentary protocol) - :x Can you tell the difference between the two? so its ok to invade any country where its head of state was not democratically elected is your position? There are, of course, other considerations, but in the main, yes. I consider all non-democratic regimes illegitimate. Do you not? so the Chinese regime is illegitimate? when do you think we should invade? Yes, the communist regime is illegitimate. On the question of invasion, read my other post - "other considerations" so the Australian government and many if not most Australian large companies are doing business with an illegitimate regime. no doubt some of your favourite brands are among them. what are these "other considerations" you vaguely speak of? Undoubtedly. I can only speak for myself, but have had an active policy of boycotting Syrian products (especially jams) for some time now. Other considerations - 'legality' - whether such an action is legal according to international law, irrespective of its morality, 'capability' - whether a successful invasion and transition to democratic governance is possible (in terms of troops, numbers, money etc), 'consequences' - simple enough (e.g. the DPRK is by far, the most sinister regime on Earth and yet a war with them would be prohibitively expensive. They have nuclear weapons, a deluded and starving population, and can obliterate Seoul in one night. Certain things are helpful in making a decision. A democratic movement in the said country, access and support of democratic nations, etc.
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humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. That doesn't give a them a right to invade another sovereign nation does it. The western half of Ukraine belongs to as much to Ukraine as does the eastern half , and none of it belongs to Russia. were you ok with the US, Qatar and Saudi Arabia funding insurgents to overthrow Assad in Syria? were you ok with them doing the same thing in Libya, and earlier invading Iraq and Afghanistan? if not then fine, you're not a hypocrite in any way Equating action against a desiccated quasi-fascist regime, a regime run by a deranged geriatric calling for 'rivers of blood', and a regime of 6th century peasant warlords, with an intrusion against an, albeit imperfect, democratic country. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) please tell us more, you seem abundantly informed on this topic Invading non-democratic regimes - =d> Invading a democratic country because they removed the president you support (legally according to parliamentary protocol) - :x Can you tell the difference between the two? so its ok to invade any country where its head of state was not democratically elected is your position? There are, of course, other considerations, but in the main, yes. I consider all non-democratic regimes illegitimate. Do you not? so the Chinese regime is illegitimate? when do you think we should invade? Yes, the communist regime is illegitimate. On the question of invasion, read my other post - "other considerations" so the Australian government and many if not most Australian large companies are doing business with an illegitimate regime. no doubt some of your favourite brands are among them. what are these "other considerations" you vaguely speak of? Undoubtedly. I can only speak for myself, but have had an active policy of boycotting Syrian products (especially jams) for some time now. Other considerations - 'legality' - whether such an action is legal according to international law, irrespective of its morality, 'capability' - whether a successful invasion and transition to democratic governance is possible (in terms of troops, numbers, money etc), 'consequences' - simple enough (e.g. the DPRK is by far, the most sinister regime on Earth and yet a war with them would be prohibitively expensive. They have nuclear weapons, a deluded and starving population, and can obliterate Seoul in one night. Certain things are helpful in making a decision. A democratic movement in the said country, access and support of democratic nations, etc. you're boycotting Syrian jam? R U Syria's? why wont you boycott Chinese products then?
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Beautiful to see the holy Christian flag of Saint Andrew flying over the fleet!
Shame on the West for supporting the militant/terrorists that shot their way into office ignoring the legitimate elections that recently took place. Research this further as this is what your Western media doesn't want you to know - they want your attention to be on cold war fears that no longer exist!
God bless the Holy Christian Russians in their efforts to restore peace and order to this nation currently being destroyed by the new world order dogs of the west.
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ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. That doesn't give a them a right to invade another sovereign nation does it. The western half of Ukraine belongs to as much to Ukraine as does the eastern half , and none of it belongs to Russia. were you ok with the US, Qatar and Saudi Arabia funding insurgents to overthrow Assad in Syria? were you ok with them doing the same thing in Libya, and earlier invading Iraq and Afghanistan? if not then fine, you're not a hypocrite in any way Equating action against a desiccated quasi-fascist regime, a regime run by a deranged geriatric calling for 'rivers of blood', and a regime of 6th century peasant warlords, with an intrusion against an, albeit imperfect, democratic country. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) please tell us more, you seem abundantly informed on this topic Invading non-democratic regimes - =d> Invading a democratic country because they removed the president you support (legally according to parliamentary protocol) - :x Can you tell the difference between the two? so its ok to invade any country where its head of state was not democratically elected is your position? There are, of course, other considerations, but in the main, yes. I consider all non-democratic regimes illegitimate. Do you not? so the Chinese regime is illegitimate? when do you think we should invade? Yes, the communist regime is illegitimate. On the question of invasion, read my other post - "other considerations" so the Australian government and many if not most Australian large companies are doing business with an illegitimate regime. no doubt some of your favourite brands are among them. what are these "other considerations" you vaguely speak of? Undoubtedly. I can only speak for myself, but have had an active policy of boycotting Syrian products (especially jams) for some time now. Other considerations - 'legality' - whether such an action is legal according to international law, irrespective of its morality, 'capability' - whether a successful invasion and transition to democratic governance is possible (in terms of troops, numbers, money etc), 'consequences' - simple enough (e.g. the DPRK is by far, the most sinister regime on Earth and yet a war with them would be prohibitively expensive. They have nuclear weapons, a deluded and starving population, and can obliterate Seoul in one night. Certain things are helpful in making a decision. A democratic movement in the said country, access and support of democratic nations, etc. you're boycotting Syrian jam? R U Syria's? why wont you boycott Chinese products then? No I am not Syrian. But I happen to enjoy Middle-Eastern jam. As for boycotting Chinese products, well, that is impossible. The Reds have taken over.
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humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:Hardly a full scale invasion, yet. What a lot of people don't realise is that roughly half of Ukraine, the western half, is populated by Russian speakers who may see themselves just as much Russian as they do Ukrainian. That doesn't give a them a right to invade another sovereign nation does it. The western half of Ukraine belongs to as much to Ukraine as does the eastern half , and none of it belongs to Russia. were you ok with the US, Qatar and Saudi Arabia funding insurgents to overthrow Assad in Syria? were you ok with them doing the same thing in Libya, and earlier invading Iraq and Afghanistan? if not then fine, you're not a hypocrite in any way Equating action against a desiccated quasi-fascist regime, a regime run by a deranged geriatric calling for 'rivers of blood', and a regime of 6th century peasant warlords, with an intrusion against an, albeit imperfect, democratic country. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) please tell us more, you seem abundantly informed on this topic Invading non-democratic regimes - =d> Invading a democratic country because they removed the president you support (legally according to parliamentary protocol) - :x Can you tell the difference between the two? so its ok to invade any country where its head of state was not democratically elected is your position? There are, of course, other considerations, but in the main, yes. I consider all non-democratic regimes illegitimate. Do you not? so the Chinese regime is illegitimate? when do you think we should invade? Yes, the communist regime is illegitimate. On the question of invasion, read my other post - "other considerations" so the Australian government and many if not most Australian large companies are doing business with an illegitimate regime. no doubt some of your favourite brands are among them. what are these "other considerations" you vaguely speak of? Undoubtedly. I can only speak for myself, but have had an active policy of boycotting Syrian products (especially jams) for some time now. Other considerations - 'legality' - whether such an action is legal according to international law, irrespective of its morality, 'capability' - whether a successful invasion and transition to democratic governance is possible (in terms of troops, numbers, money etc), 'consequences' - simple enough (e.g. the DPRK is by far, the most sinister regime on Earth and yet a war with them would be prohibitively expensive. They have nuclear weapons, a deluded and starving population, and can obliterate Seoul in one night. Certain things are helpful in making a decision. A democratic movement in the said country, access and support of democratic nations, etc. you're boycotting Syrian jam? R U Syria's? why wont you boycott Chinese products then? No I am not Syrian. But I happen to enjoy Middle-Eastern jam. As for boycotting Chinese products, well, that is impossible. The Reds have taken over. simple test of intellect, you missed my pun so, you wont boycott anything that inconveniences your personal life in any way? you sound like a real hardcore activist
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At least I can make a basic moral distinction between democracies and non-democracies. I stake out a position for myself instead of indulging in juvenile ten cent whataboutism.
Yes, I am very Syria's.
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humbert wrote:At least I can make a basic moral distinction between democracies and non-democracies. I stake out a position for myself instead of indulging in juvenile ten cent whataboutism.
Yes, I am very Syria's. so arming and funding islamic militants to conduct violence including mass rapes and killings of local Christians in Syria, Libya and Egypt is ok with your morals in the name of democracy?
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ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:At least I can make a basic moral distinction between democracies and non-democracies. I stake out a position for myself instead of indulging in juvenile ten cent whataboutism.
Yes, I am very Syria's. so arming and funding islamic militants to conduct violence including mass rapes and killings of local Christians in Syria, Libya and Egypt is ok with your morals in the name of democracy? Fuck off you clown. If at any point I expressed support for jihadist scum, I apologise, it certainly wasn't my intention. The Jihadists are there in Syria precisely because the Syrian opposition found no ready support from the West.
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humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:At least I can make a basic moral distinction between democracies and non-democracies. I stake out a position for myself instead of indulging in juvenile ten cent whataboutism.
Yes, I am very Syria's. so arming and funding islamic militants to conduct violence including mass rapes and killings of local Christians in Syria, Libya and Egypt is ok with your morals in the name of democracy? Fuck off you clown. If at any point I expressed support for jihadist scum, I apologise, it certainly wasn't my intention. The Jihadists are there in Syria precisely because the Syrian opposition found no ready support from the West. so let me get this straight, the jihadists just appeared out of nowhere to support the Syrian opposition to Assad because the west wouldnt intervene with ground troops? furthermore, you've ignored my point on Libya specifically. you do realise the rebels were armed, trained and funded by western interests and since Gaddafi was overthrown (violently raped and hacked to death without trial) the previously secular country is now under Sharia law? how does that reconcile with your democratic morals?
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ricecrackers wrote:spfc wrote:russia, belarus and ukraine all trace their ancestry to kievan rus, they're kinfolk, if there's any trouble you can be sure it's instigated and funded by outside parties who would you suggest? Im going to give you some information which you probably never considered and has been effectively hidden from the populace in general, so prepare your mind. All governments and major international organisations such as banks and religions have been infiltrated by an invisible world government of shape shifting reptilians whose ultimate goal is a one world government destroying all national sovreignty. Do some more research and once you're aware of the Agenda and the methods used to implement it it's much easier to make sense of global events. You're welcome.
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spfc wrote:ricecrackers wrote:spfc wrote:russia, belarus and ukraine all trace their ancestry to kievan rus, they're kinfolk, if there's any trouble you can be sure it's instigated and funded by outside parties who would you suggest? Im going to give you some information which you probably never considered and has been effectively hidden from the populace in general, so prepare your mind. All governments and major international organisations such as banks and religions have been infiltrated by an invisible world government of shape shifting reptilians whose ultimate goal is a one world government destroying all national sovreignty. Do some more research and once you're aware of the Agenda and the methods used to implement it it's much easier to make sense of global events. You're welcome. sounds far fetched
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spfc wrote:ricecrackers wrote:spfc wrote:russia, belarus and ukraine all trace their ancestry to kievan rus, they're kinfolk, if there's any trouble you can be sure it's instigated and funded by outside parties who would you suggest? Im going to give you some information which you probably never considered and has been effectively hidden from the populace in general, so prepare your mind. All governments and major international organisations such as banks and religions have been infiltrated by an invisible world government of shape shifting reptilians whose ultimate goal is a one world government destroying all national sovreignty. Do some more research and once you're aware of the Agenda and the methods used to implement it it's much easier to make sense of global events. You're welcome. Why would they bother taking over an insignificant territory with no resource wealth or tactical significance? I love conspiracy theories. And speaking of reptilians, have you seen the clip of Justin Bieber in Court when the judge is reading out his charges? Justin's eyes change for a couple of seconds, scary stuff :d
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There is only 1 one world government I want to live in. Robot president Nixons DOOP. Led by the fearless Zapp Brannigan.
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ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:At least I can make a basic moral distinction between democracies and non-democracies. I stake out a position for myself instead of indulging in juvenile ten cent whataboutism.
Yes, I am very Syria's. so arming and funding islamic militants to conduct violence including mass rapes and killings of local Christians in Syria, Libya and Egypt is ok with your morals in the name of democracy? Fuck off you clown. If at any point I expressed support for jihadist scum, I apologise, it certainly wasn't my intention. The Jihadists are there in Syria precisely because the Syrian opposition found no ready support from the West. so let me get this straight, the jihadists just appeared out of nowhere to support the Syrian opposition to Assad because the west wouldnt intervene with ground troops? furthermore, you've ignored my point on Libya specifically. you do realise the rebels were armed, trained and funded by western interests and since Gaddafi was overthrown (violently raped and hacked to death without trial) the previously secular country is now under Sharia law? how does that reconcile with your democratic morals? You clearly know nothing and have read even less on the issue. The vast majority of the Syrian opposition in its initial stages were defectors from the Baath army, local self-defence militias, and the feeble remnants of the Muslim brotherhood which was annihilated in the 80's. The vast majority of which were committed to a civil state, and loosely secular in nature. The opposition's diaspora leadership is almost exclusively secular. Now, given that they got no tangible support from the West for 2 or so years, the only mechanism by which they could attain access to weapons was through certain Arab nations which have no scruples about supporting (and even insist on) Islamism. Given such a reality, why are we surprised that the Islamists have the ascendancy? The moderates have no response to the taunt; "Where is the West now? Your people are being killed, and they don't care. The West hate Muslims. Only we look after the interests of the Muslims. etc etc." Logic 101. As to Libya, I'm tempted to say that you've discredited yourself by referring to Gaddafi's Libya as 'secular'; a ridiculous claim if only one had the eyes to see Gaddafi's support for Jihadists, and international gangsterism. Gaddafi's Libya was a gangster mafia state; wholly owned by the Gaddafi family. I make no apologies for applauding the scumbags removal. As to the nature of the Libyan opposition, well, that is another issue altogether. In the next struggle, I support Libyan democrats against Libyan theocrats, and make no apologies for doing so.
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Polemides wrote:Beautiful to see the holy Christian flag of Saint Andrew flying over the fleet!
Shame on the West for supporting the militant/terrorists that shot their way into office ignoring the legitimate elections that recently took place. Research this further as this is what your Western media doesn't want you to know - they want your attention to be on cold war fears that no longer exist!
God bless the Holy Christian Russians in their efforts to restore peace and order to this nation currently being destroyed by the new world order dogs of the west. 1/10 terrible troll :lol: -PB
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humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:At least I can make a basic moral distinction between democracies and non-democracies. I stake out a position for myself instead of indulging in juvenile ten cent whataboutism.
Yes, I am very Syria's. so arming and funding islamic militants to conduct violence including mass rapes and killings of local Christians in Syria, Libya and Egypt is ok with your morals in the name of democracy? Fuck off you clown. If at any point I expressed support for jihadist scum, I apologise, it certainly wasn't my intention. The Jihadists are there in Syria precisely because the Syrian opposition found no ready support from the West. so let me get this straight, the jihadists just appeared out of nowhere to support the Syrian opposition to Assad because the west wouldnt intervene with ground troops? furthermore, you've ignored my point on Libya specifically. you do realise the rebels were armed, trained and funded by western interests and since Gaddafi was overthrown (violently raped and hacked to death without trial) the previously secular country is now under Sharia law? how does that reconcile with your democratic morals? You clearly know nothing and have read even less on the issue. The vast majority of the Syrian opposition in its initial stages were defectors from the Baath army, local self-defence militias, and the feeble remnants of the Muslim brotherhood which was annihilated in the 80's. The vast majority of which were committed to a civil state, and loosely secular in nature. The opposition's diaspora leadership is almost exclusively secular. Now, given that they got no tangible support from the West for 2 or so years, the only mechanism by which they could attain access to weapons was through certain Arab nations which have no scruples about supporting (and even insist on) Islamism. Given such a reality, why are we surprised that the Islamists have the ascendancy? The moderates have no response to the taunt; "Where is the West now? Your people are being killed, and they don't care. The West hate Muslims. Only we look after the interests of the Muslims. etc etc." Logic 101. As to Libya, I'm tempted to say that you've discredited yourself by referring to Gaddafi's Libya as 'secular'; a ridiculous claim if only one had the eyes to see Gaddafi's support for Jihadists, and international gangsterism. Gaddafi's Libya was a gangster mafia state; wholly owned by the Gaddafi family. I make no apologies for applauding the scumbags removal. As to the nature of the Libyan opposition, well, that is another issue altogether. In the next struggle, I support Libyan democrats against Libyan theocrats, and make no apologies for doing so. question, did the western interests tied directly to the United States provide support to the Syrian opposition in the forms of arms shipments or not?
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ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:At least I can make a basic moral distinction between democracies and non-democracies. I stake out a position for myself instead of indulging in juvenile ten cent whataboutism.
Yes, I am very Syria's. so arming and funding islamic militants to conduct violence including mass rapes and killings of local Christians in Syria, Libya and Egypt is ok with your morals in the name of democracy? Fuck off you clown. If at any point I expressed support for jihadist scum, I apologise, it certainly wasn't my intention. The Jihadists are there in Syria precisely because the Syrian opposition found no ready support from the West. so let me get this straight, the jihadists just appeared out of nowhere to support the Syrian opposition to Assad because the west wouldnt intervene with ground troops? furthermore, you've ignored my point on Libya specifically. you do realise the rebels were armed, trained and funded by western interests and since Gaddafi was overthrown (violently raped and hacked to death without trial) the previously secular country is now under Sharia law? how does that reconcile with your democratic morals? You clearly know nothing and have read even less on the issue. The vast majority of the Syrian opposition in its initial stages were defectors from the Baath army, local self-defence militias, and the feeble remnants of the Muslim brotherhood which was annihilated in the 80's. The vast majority of which were committed to a civil state, and loosely secular in nature. The opposition's diaspora leadership is almost exclusively secular. Now, given that they got no tangible support from the West for 2 or so years, the only mechanism by which they could attain access to weapons was through certain Arab nations which have no scruples about supporting (and even insist on) Islamism. Given such a reality, why are we surprised that the Islamists have the ascendancy? The moderates have no response to the taunt; "Where is the West now? Your people are being killed, and they don't care. The West hate Muslims. Only we look after the interests of the Muslims. etc etc." Logic 101. As to Libya, I'm tempted to say that you've discredited yourself by referring to Gaddafi's Libya as 'secular'; a ridiculous claim if only one had the eyes to see Gaddafi's support for Jihadists, and international gangsterism. Gaddafi's Libya was a gangster mafia state; wholly owned by the Gaddafi family. I make no apologies for applauding the scumbags removal. As to the nature of the Libyan opposition, well, that is another issue altogether. In the next struggle, I support Libyan democrats against Libyan theocrats, and make no apologies for doing so. question, did the western interests tied directly to the United States provide support to the Syrian opposition in the forms of arms shipments or not? The US provided very little support to the Syrian opposition until recently.
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humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:At least I can make a basic moral distinction between democracies and non-democracies. I stake out a position for myself instead of indulging in juvenile ten cent whataboutism.
Yes, I am very Syria's. so arming and funding islamic militants to conduct violence including mass rapes and killings of local Christians in Syria, Libya and Egypt is ok with your morals in the name of democracy? Fuck off you clown. If at any point I expressed support for jihadist scum, I apologise, it certainly wasn't my intention. The Jihadists are there in Syria precisely because the Syrian opposition found no ready support from the West. so let me get this straight, the jihadists just appeared out of nowhere to support the Syrian opposition to Assad because the west wouldnt intervene with ground troops? furthermore, you've ignored my point on Libya specifically. you do realise the rebels were armed, trained and funded by western interests and since Gaddafi was overthrown (violently raped and hacked to death without trial) the previously secular country is now under Sharia law? how does that reconcile with your democratic morals? You clearly know nothing and have read even less on the issue. The vast majority of the Syrian opposition in its initial stages were defectors from the Baath army, local self-defence militias, and the feeble remnants of the Muslim brotherhood which was annihilated in the 80's. The vast majority of which were committed to a civil state, and loosely secular in nature. The opposition's diaspora leadership is almost exclusively secular. Now, given that they got no tangible support from the West for 2 or so years, the only mechanism by which they could attain access to weapons was through certain Arab nations which have no scruples about supporting (and even insist on) Islamism. Given such a reality, why are we surprised that the Islamists have the ascendancy? The moderates have no response to the taunt; "Where is the West now? Your people are being killed, and they don't care. The West hate Muslims. Only we look after the interests of the Muslims. etc etc." Logic 101. As to Libya, I'm tempted to say that you've discredited yourself by referring to Gaddafi's Libya as 'secular'; a ridiculous claim if only one had the eyes to see Gaddafi's support for Jihadists, and international gangsterism. Gaddafi's Libya was a gangster mafia state; wholly owned by the Gaddafi family. I make no apologies for applauding the scumbags removal. As to the nature of the Libyan opposition, well, that is another issue altogether. In the next struggle, I support Libyan democrats against Libyan theocrats, and make no apologies for doing so. question, did the western interests tied directly to the United States provide support to the Syrian opposition in the forms of arms shipments or not? The US provided very little support to the Syrian opposition until recently. so that would be a yes define 'recently'?
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Iridium1010 wrote:Am i right in saying the eastern part of the country has less Ethnic Ukrainians due to the Ukrainian famine and later Russian immigration? No I think the ethnic balance was roughly the same before Hodomor, and even before the formation of the USSR.
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Why have you said nothing about the regular arms shipments Russia and Iran have transferred to Syria? In point of fact; Iran has sent troops to Syria with little or no protest on your part.
Recently as in al- Qusayr, and Ghouta. No word of protest at the use of gas against civilians either.
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paladisious wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:Am i right in saying the eastern part of the country has less Ethnic Ukrainians due to the Ukrainian famine and later Russian immigration? No I think the ethnic balance was roughly the same before Hodomor, and even before the formation of the USSR. Yeah. Biggest demographic change has been the expulsion of the Tatar.
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humbert wrote:paladisious wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:Am i right in saying the eastern part of the country has less Ethnic Ukrainians due to the Ukrainian famine and later Russian immigration? No I think the ethnic balance was roughly the same before Hodomor, and even before the formation of the USSR. Yeah. Biggest demographic change has been the expulsion of the Tatar. In the 1930s under Stalin I believe, but will stand corrected. Russians have definitely put down roots in the place but the area's ethnic mix isn't up for discussion as no one is threatening the Russians of the area. Any attempt by Putin to paint the invasion as being the protection of the ethnic Russians is nothing more than a smokescreen. It's a land grab, pure and simple.
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thupercoach wrote:humbert wrote:paladisious wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:Am i right in saying the eastern part of the country has less Ethnic Ukrainians due to the Ukrainian famine and later Russian immigration? No I think the ethnic balance was roughly the same before Hodomor, and even before the formation of the USSR. Yeah. Biggest demographic change has been the expulsion of the Tatar. In the 1930s under Stalin I believe, but will stand corrected. Russians have definitely put down roots in the place but the area's ethnic mix isn't up for discussion as no one is threatening the Russians of the area. Any attempt by Putin to paint the invasion as being the protection of the ethnic Russians is nothing more than a smokescreen. It's a land grab, pure and simple. Exactly right. Necessary pretense for an action planned in advance.
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humbert wrote:Why have you said nothing about the regular arms shipments Russia and Iran have transferred to Syria? In point of fact; Iran has sent troops to Syria with little or no protest on your part.
Recently as in al- Qusayr, and Ghouta. No word of protest at the use of gas against civilians either. Russia is allied with Syria in the same way the USA is allied with Australia Russia has a navel port in Syria at Tartus, as they also have at Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine why wouldnt they want to protect their military interests? how is this any different from Australia hosting numerous bases and troops of the USA?
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ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:Why have you said nothing about the regular arms shipments Russia and Iran have transferred to Syria? In point of fact; Iran has sent troops to Syria with little or no protest on your part.
Recently as in al- Qusayr, and Ghouta. No word of protest at the use of gas against civilians either. Russia is allied with Syria in the same way the USA is allied with Australia Russia has a navel port in Syria at Tartus, as they also have at Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine why wouldnt they want to protect their military interests? how is this any different from Australia hosting numerous bases and troops of the USA? :oops: :oops: :oops: You've done it again.
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humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:Why have you said nothing about the regular arms shipments Russia and Iran have transferred to Syria? In point of fact; Iran has sent troops to Syria with little or no protest on your part.
Recently as in al- Qusayr, and Ghouta. No word of protest at the use of gas against civilians either. Russia is allied with Syria in the same way the USA is allied with Australia Russia has a navel port in Syria at Tartus, as they also have at Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine why wouldnt they want to protect their military interests? how is this any different from Australia hosting numerous bases and troops of the USA? :oops: :oops: :oops: You've done it again. exposed the hypocrisy of your position again, yes furthermore, Russia is also a trading partner with Syria. they had long standing pre-existing contracts to sell them arms. As for the gas attacks in Syria, there is no evidence to support this was perpetrated by the government. its merely speculation from sources connected with the militant terrorist rebels.
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ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:Why have you said nothing about the regular arms shipments Russia and Iran have transferred to Syria? In point of fact; Iran has sent troops to Syria with little or no protest on your part.
Recently as in al- Qusayr, and Ghouta. No word of protest at the use of gas against civilians either. Russia is allied with Syria in the same way the USA is allied with Australia Russia has a navel port in Syria at Tartus, as they also have at Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine why wouldnt they want to protect their military interests? how is this any different from Australia hosting numerous bases and troops of the USA? :oops: :oops: :oops: You've done it again. exposed the hypocrisy of your position again, yes furthermore, Russia is also a trading partner with Syria. they had long standing pre-existing contracts to sell them arms. As for the gas attacks in Syria, there is no evidence to support this was perpetrated by the government. its merely speculation from sources connected with the militant terrorist rebels. 1 - Is there any conceivable difference between Syria and Australia? 2 - Have you read the findings of the UN Commission charged with investigating Ghouta?
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paulbagzFC wrote:Defense from what?
I don't see Ukrainians going out and mob bashing the Russians (or are they now?). You should watch this BBC video. Of course these guys are a minority, but the interim government also passed a bill revoking the rights of Ukraine’s regions to make Russian an official language alongside Ukrainian. That law was quickly revoked, but yeah there's enough evidence to see why they would have concerned about their safety and their rights. On the other hand:  Of course, you can't prove at what time each photo was taken, etc.
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humbert wrote:thupercoach wrote:humbert wrote:paladisious wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:Am i right in saying the eastern part of the country has less Ethnic Ukrainians due to the Ukrainian famine and later Russian immigration? No I think the ethnic balance was roughly the same before Hodomor, and even before the formation of the USSR. Yeah. Biggest demographic change has been the expulsion of the Tatar. In the 1930s under Stalin I believe, but will stand corrected. Russians have definitely put down roots in the place but the area's ethnic mix isn't up for discussion as no one is threatening the Russians of the area. Any attempt by Putin to paint the invasion as being the protection of the ethnic Russians is nothing more than a smokescreen. It's a land grab, pure and simple. Exactly right. Necessary pretense for an action planned in advance. You should probably both read up a bit more on the joint history of both countries, I think. They've barely ever been part of separate nation states from the middle ages until the 1990's, of course they're demographically intertwined.
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paladisious wrote:humbert wrote:thupercoach wrote:humbert wrote:paladisious wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:Am i right in saying the eastern part of the country has less Ethnic Ukrainians due to the Ukrainian famine and later Russian immigration? No I think the ethnic balance was roughly the same before Hodomor, and even before the formation of the USSR. Yeah. Biggest demographic change has been the expulsion of the Tatar. In the 1930s under Stalin I believe, but will stand corrected. Russians have definitely put down roots in the place but the area's ethnic mix isn't up for discussion as no one is threatening the Russians of the area. Any attempt by Putin to paint the invasion as being the protection of the ethnic Russians is nothing more than a smokescreen. It's a land grab, pure and simple. Exactly right. Necessary pretense for an action planned in advance. You should probably both read up a bit more on the joint history of both countries, I think. They've barely ever been part of separate nation states from the middle ages until the 1990's, of course they're demographically intertwined. I don't see how that negates what I was saying.
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humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:Why have you said nothing about the regular arms shipments Russia and Iran have transferred to Syria? In point of fact; Iran has sent troops to Syria with little or no protest on your part.
Recently as in al- Qusayr, and Ghouta. No word of protest at the use of gas against civilians either. Russia is allied with Syria in the same way the USA is allied with Australia Russia has a navel port in Syria at Tartus, as they also have at Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine why wouldnt they want to protect their military interests? how is this any different from Australia hosting numerous bases and troops of the USA? :oops: :oops: :oops: You've done it again. exposed the hypocrisy of your position again, yes furthermore, Russia is also a trading partner with Syria. they had long standing pre-existing contracts to sell them arms. As for the gas attacks in Syria, there is no evidence to support this was perpetrated by the government. its merely speculation from sources connected with the militant terrorist rebels. 1 - Is there any conceivable difference between Syria and Australia? 2 - Have you read the findings of the UN Commission charged with investigating Ghouta? 1. relevance? 2. yes, it was entirely based on the content of the residue rather than the origin of the attack they proved a gas attack, they didnt prove who did it the wrong questions were asked or if you are the taskforce, ask only the questions relevant to the outcome you want to receive
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This thread is like............world war 3. Edited by iridium1010: 3/3/2014 02:42:07 PM
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ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:Why have you said nothing about the regular arms shipments Russia and Iran have transferred to Syria? In point of fact; Iran has sent troops to Syria with little or no protest on your part.
Recently as in al- Qusayr, and Ghouta. No word of protest at the use of gas against civilians either. Russia is allied with Syria in the same way the USA is allied with Australia Russia has a navel port in Syria at Tartus, as they also have at Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine why wouldnt they want to protect their military interests? how is this any different from Australia hosting numerous bases and troops of the USA? :oops: :oops: :oops: You've done it again. exposed the hypocrisy of your position again, yes furthermore, Russia is also a trading partner with Syria. they had long standing pre-existing contracts to sell them arms. As for the gas attacks in Syria, there is no evidence to support this was perpetrated by the government. its merely speculation from sources connected with the militant terrorist rebels. 1 - Is there any conceivable difference between Syria and Australia? 2 - Have you read the findings of the UN Commission charged with investigating Ghouta? 1. relevance? 2. yes, it was entirely based on the content of the residue rather than the origin of the attack they proved a gas attack, they didnt prove who did it the wrong questions were asked or if you are the taskforce, ask only the questions relevant to the outcome you want to receive 1 - In one breath you equate a military relationship with Australia (a democratic country I need not say), with a military relationship with Syria, a deranged fascist-family fiefdom. And you have the gall to wail, hypocrisy. 2 - You clearly haven't read the report, or other readings on the matter. The trajectory of the chemicals have been conclusively shown to have come from Baath controlled territory. Judge them by their fruits; only the Syrian government has the logistical capability to inflict such an attack. The only victims of the attack were Sunni civilians and opposition forces. There was no corresponding chemical attack on majority Allawite sectors. Keep spouting shit, you clown.
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Eastern Glory wrote:Heineken wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:When Russia invaded Georgia a few years ago, it caused Ned Zelic to retire. These terrible dressers must be stopped before they commit another atrocity akin to Ned's retirement. Really? How so? :-k When Russia had issues with/invaded Georgia in 2008, Ned decided it was too unstable and unsafe for him (and maybe his family as well, from memory), so he left his club in Georgia and returned to Australia. Honestly never knew that, nor knew he was playing in Georgia. :-k
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humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:humbert wrote:Why have you said nothing about the regular arms shipments Russia and Iran have transferred to Syria? In point of fact; Iran has sent troops to Syria with little or no protest on your part.
Recently as in al- Qusayr, and Ghouta. No word of protest at the use of gas against civilians either. Russia is allied with Syria in the same way the USA is allied with Australia Russia has a navel port in Syria at Tartus, as they also have at Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine why wouldnt they want to protect their military interests? how is this any different from Australia hosting numerous bases and troops of the USA? :oops: :oops: :oops: You've done it again. exposed the hypocrisy of your position again, yes furthermore, Russia is also a trading partner with Syria. they had long standing pre-existing contracts to sell them arms. As for the gas attacks in Syria, there is no evidence to support this was perpetrated by the government. its merely speculation from sources connected with the militant terrorist rebels. 1 - Is there any conceivable difference between Syria and Australia? 2 - Have you read the findings of the UN Commission charged with investigating Ghouta? 1. relevance? 2. yes, it was entirely based on the content of the residue rather than the origin of the attack they proved a gas attack, they didnt prove who did it the wrong questions were asked or if you are the taskforce, ask only the questions relevant to the outcome you want to receive 1 - In one breath you equate a military relationship with Australia (a democratic country I need not say), with a military relationship with Syria, a deranged fascist-family fiefdom. And you have the gall to wail, hypocrisy. 2 - You clearly haven't read the report, or other readings on the matter. The trajectory of the chemicals have been conclusively shown to have come from Baath controlled territory. Judge them by their fruits; only the Syrian government has the logistical capability to inflict such an attack. The only victims of the attack were Sunni civilians and opposition forces. There was no corresponding chemical attack on majority Allawite sectors. Keep spouting shit, you clown. 1. you asked what the differences are? how is that relevant? its an open ended question which can only create smoke. 2. "the trajectory of the chemicals"? are you serious? how naive are you to believe that is some kind of proof...#-o do you really think Assad was going to be dumb enough to use chemical weapons against civilians at the same time the US president was goading him to do just that? dont bother answering that, you probably do
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so now you're going to spam me with a bunch of opinion pieces using pseudo science from tabloid media? linking the actual investigation, doesnt change anything about the fact you cannot determine the source of a chemical attack from chemical residue at the target site have you even read the report yourself? it doesnt say anything about who launched the rockets containing the Sarin material, it only verifies that Sarin material was used in surface to surface rockets
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Very interesting Quote:How The IMF Plan To Loot UkraineNOW THAT VICTORIA NULAND (born Nudelman, married to Jewish neocon Kagan), got "Yatz The Yid" to head Kiev’s illegitimate regime, the IMF can easily loot Ukraine. The IMF, as an organized arm of Jewish banking, has two jackboots. Alternately they trample on the people. They work in a coordinated cadence. First the left jackboot reels out the credit and hooks the impoverished and desperate borrower on the credit bait. This is the loan phase. It’s a soft kick with honey-coated poison as its bait. When the debtors, like Ukraine, abandoning help from Christian Putin, can’t service the debt, they reel them in with the right jackboot of austerity, cutting pensions and social services, devaluation of currency, higher taxes and utilities, foreclosure and privatization. This is the looting phase. Inflation and recession don’t cause loss. They cause transfer to Jews. Yatz The Yid (Arseniy Yatsenyuk) is Jewry’s perfect proxy. He’s begging for money. “Yatz” vows that Kiev will meet all the demands that the Washington-based IMF wants to enslave Ukraine with. That’s how the looting begins, with a head of State begging for money who is soon handed a restructuring agreement, pre-drafted for ‘voluntary’ signature. “Don’t panic!” IMF’s Gentile window dressing LaGarde assured Yatz the Yid. “We’re going to come and help you!” Yatsenyuk has already initiated IMF’s “help,” that is, “looting,” by imposing limits on cash withdrawals to $1400 a day on checking accounts and $335 a day on ATM withdrawals. A sneak-preview of “bail ins” HAS begun. With enslavement guaranteed, one asks, “What will the IMF target for looting?” The industries, linked with Russia since Soviet days, located in Russian-leaning Eastern/Southern Ukraine of which Western Ukraine is dependent for domestic goods and tax revenue, that’s what. It’s not for “looks” and “provocation” that pro-Russian militias and barricades are popping up throughout entry points into Eastern Ukraine. Russian interests abound in Eastern/Southern Ukraine of which Putin will act according to Russia’s 2010 Military Doctrine. “If there is a direct threat to our national interests we will defend ourselves,” said the National Security Council upon issuance of the Doctrine. Indeed, there IS a threat to Russia’s national interests in Ukraine. Nuland’s JewSA wants to weaken Russia’s regional and global influence via a three-pronged attack: 1) Bring Ukraine’s Eastern industries—economically tied to Russia—into IMF’s clutches; 2) Cancel Russia’s lease of its Black Sea Fleet in Crimea’s Sevastopol warm water port, cutting off Russia’s access to the Mediterranean; 3) Install a NATO base in its place. First of all, Eastern Ukraine’s industries are inextricably linked to Russia’s Military Industrial Complex supporting their military bases. Second, Yats The Yid’s deputy prime minister just called for the cancellation of Russia’s lease, known as the Kharkiv Agreements. Putin will not allow this to happen. His warm water access to Iran, Syria, and Egypt depends on it. He’s acting fast, catching the JewSA with its pants down as he did in South Ossetia in 2008. Both houses of Russia’s parliament, The Federation Council, has unanimously (even his political enemies) granted Putin the authority to deploy Russian troops into Crimea where the majority are loyal Russian Orthodox Christians. The Council is apparently enraged with Obama’s veiled threats to further destabilize Ukraine and that if Russia uses military force it would “pay the costs.” Before the vote took place, Russian senators said that Obama had threatened Russia and insulted the Russian people. They demanded that Putin recall the Russian ambassador to the USA. Not only are Putin’s political enemies rallying behind him to protect Russia’s economic, military, and social interests in Crimea, but even Ukraine’s Navy Flag Ship is siding with Russia. The ship has hoisted the Flag of St Andrew, the ensign of the Russian Navy. NULAND’S little yid…”Yatz”…is wetting his pants. His request to Turkey to stop the ship en route to Sevastopol, went unheeded. To add insult to the Yid’s injury, the entire Ukraine Navy Command resigned. Kiev’s illegitimate ‘acting president’ made a BIG mistake in sacking Admiral Yuri Ilyin as Chief of Staff. The Navy struck back. Apparently, they don’t want JEWS ruling and looting their country…and Putin WILL protect Russia’s interests against the designs of the Jew-ruled West. Bravo Vladimir Putin! Protector of Christians worldwide! http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=908
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Condemned666 wrote: ^ Invalid and inappropriate why?
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spfc wrote:Im going to give you some information which you probably never considered and has been effectively hidden from the populace in general, so prepare your mind. All governments and major international organisations such as banks and religions have been infiltrated by an invisible world government of shape shifting reptilians whose ultimate goal is a one world government destroying all national sovreignty. Do some more research and once you're aware of the Agenda and the methods used to implement it it's much easier to make sense of global events. You're welcome.
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Quote:The real "Ukraine" - Turkey's illegal occupation of CyprusSince its invasion of Cyprus in 1974, Turkey has claimed that it was acting as a protector and guarantor of the island’s security. But a closer examination of its actions on Cyprus indicates motivations of a very different character. Turkey’s invasion resulted in hundreds of thousands of Greek Cypriot refugees, who have been unable to return to their homes for almost 40 years. The international community has repeatedly condemned the illegal military occupation of Cyprus by Turkish troops. The United Nations Security Council has passed 75 resolutions calling for Turkey to allow Greek Cypriots to return to their homes and to withdraw its troops from Cyprus. Yet Turkey continues its occupation. More than 40,000 heavily armed Turkish soldiers are occupying the northern part of the country, with one Turkish soldier for every two Turkish-Cypriots. The presence of this overwhelming force cannot be justified by the claims that they are needed to prevent any renewal of violence. In fact, since the 2003 opening of the border between the two communities, more than 17 million intercommunal visits have occurred without conflict. The result of this occupation by foreign troops is that many Cypriot neighborhoods in the occupied areas remain vacant or in a state of disrepair. One of the most tragic examples is the Varosha region of Famagusta. Once an important commercial and tourism center for the island, Varosha was fenced off following the invasion, and access has been prohibited for all except Turkish military forces. Over the years, this area has become a virtual ghost town. The desolation of Cypriot properties and cultural sites is not restricted to Varosha but is a reality in all the areas under Turkish military occupation. In fact, an estimated 520 Greek Orthodox churches and chapels, and 17 monasteries in the occupied areas have been pillaged, vandalized or destroyed. Often these religious sites have been converted into stables, bars, nightclubs, casinos or hotels, leaving more than 15,000 religious artifacts unaccounted for. This widespread destruction of Cypriot historic, religious and cultural identity certainly does not seem like the behavior of a “protective guardian.” Turkey also continues to interfere in the domestic affairs of Cyprus, especially the negotiations on reunification. The goal of these talks is a Cypriot-developed, mutually agreeable settlement based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation with political equality, including a single sovereignty, single citizenship and single international presence. But instead of allowing the representatives from the Turkish-Cypriot community to engage freely in the talks, the Turkish government has imposed its own criteria, which has made an agreement all but impossible. Turkey also has tried to limit Cyprus‘ sovereign rights to develop its energy resources. Despite the island’s critical energy needs, Turkey declared last year that it had “nullified” the exploration agreement between Cyprus and Israel even though it has no right to do so. Turkey escalated the conflict by sending its own ships to the region and even threatened military action if Cyprus continued in its project with Israel. Although from the beginning, Republic of Cyprus President Demetris Christofias guaranteed that any energy resources discovered would be used for the benefit of all Cypriots, Turkish officials claimed their actions were to protect the rights of the Turkish-Cypriots. Reports by the Turkish-Cypriot media indicate that the Turkish government continues to promote illegal immigration by Turks to the northern occupied areas of Cyprus with the goal of changing the demographic composition of the island. According to people administering the occupied area, there are an estimated 160,000 settlers from Turkey, many of whom occupy the homes of the evicted Greek-Cypriots. However, reports in the Turkish-Cypriot press from Turkish-Cypriots who live among the Turkish settlers put this number between 500,000 and 800,000. A recent “census” in the north indicated that the total population in the north had increased to nearly 300,000 people. Just 88,900 of them were native Turkish-Cypriots, who are outnumbered by illegal Turkish immigrants by a ratio of almost 2-1. Ankara’s support for these illegal immigrants is not welcomed by the native Turkish-Cypriot community. In fact, Stella Altziman, who resides in that region of Cyprus, wrote in 2010: “Due to constant migration from Turkey, [the northern occupied area] is like a Turkish province” and the native Turkish-Cypriots have become a minority in their own land. Last year, many Turkish-Cypriots protested Turkey’s policies toward Cyprus, with some carrying banners that read, “Ankara, get your hands off our shores.” Yet Turkey continues to flood its areas of occupation with illegal Turkish immigrants. In his visit to Cyprus last year, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan mocked the Turkish-Cypriots, stating, “If you don’t want us to send people, you need to have more babies.” By its occupation, Turkey is “guaranteeing” nothing but a creeping annexation. It is time for Turkey to withdraw its military troops, end all support for illegal immigration to Cyprus and let the true inhabitants of the island determine their own future. Only then will the long-suffering Cypriot people finally enjoy the peace and security they have been trying so desperately to achieve for decades. Comments Eastvillagemichael I visited Cyprus last summer and I can say that this article is absolutely true and correct. The native-born Turkish Cypriots have mostly fled to England. The people who live in the occupied zone are Turks, not Cypriots, and do not seem to care about Cyprus. Everything is run-down and in disrepair. The people who work in the tourist bureaus do not speak English OR Greek and are grumpy and bored, as opposed to those of Free Cyprus who are enthusiastic and multilingual. The occupied zone has an ugly military monument every few feet and Turkish flags are draped over everything. It reminded me very much of what East Europe was like under the Communists. I would also add that Free Cyprus has thousands of Palestinian refugees who are generously supported by the government. They live in clean hotels and their children all have laptop computers. Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/15/time-for-turkey-to-leave-cyprus-in-peace/
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12 hour Ultimatum handed down. Awww shit. -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:12 hour Ultimatum handed down.
Awww shit.
-PB Wasn't there an utimatum declared for 03:00 GMT - around 1:00pm AEST? If that's the one you're talking about, then it's gone and so-far Russia hasn't done anything.
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It's all over. Anything else is just rhetoric (or false flag). Quote:Putin Already Won In UkraineWITHOUT A SHOT being fired, Putin has secured a thorough purge of Ukrainian authority from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea (ARC). As home to Russia’s Black Sea Fleet in the port of Sevastopol, Putin can now be assured that his access to Egypt, Syria, and Iran—wherein his opposition to the agenda of the Jew-ruled West is bearing fruit—will not be compromised. Contrary to reports by the New York Times (Jew York Times), Putin NEVER “invaded” or “besieged” Ukraine. It has been proven, ironically by the same Jew York Times, that Crimean “provisional armed forces” of the ARC and NOT Russian soldiers are the ones guarding sensitive infrastructure entities in the peninsula. Indeed, the provisional army is made up of Crimea’s own home boys…in their apparently brand new uniforms bought from Russia. As for Russian soldiers patrolling sensitive areas in Sevastopol and Crimea, CIA Director John Brennan briefed lawmakers today that Russia’s military movements in Ukraine is “permitted” under a 1997 treaty between the two neighbors that allows as many as 25,000 Russian troops in the Crimean region. “The number of Russian troops that have surged onto the Ukrainian peninsula in recent days remains well below the 25,000 threshold,” Brennan affirmed. The Crimean government, although it sacked the Kiev-based regional government, will remain part of Ukraine but will strengthen its autonomy as a “federated” republic. Until the pending amended constitutional referendum is voted on at the end of March, Crimea remains a provisional autonomous government. Here’s the lay of the geopolitical ground in Ukraine: 1) With Putin upholding regional and international treaties; 2) With the Crimean government organizing its own Defense Ministry; 3) With Ukraine’s Navy Commander Berezovsky pledging an oath to the Crimean people; 4) With an entire Ukraine Air Force Base switching allegiance to Crimea, refusing to take orders from the new, self-appointed government in Kiev; 5) With Ukraine military units refusing orders from the illegitimate regime in Kiev; 6) With the EU unlikely to match the US in threatening sanctions against Russia; 7) With Odessa and two other southern Ukrainian capitals expressing willingness to become a part of the ARC…all that’s left for Putin to do is to put the screws on Kiev and his work is finished. BOTTOM LINE: Putin insists that the illegitimate regime in Kiev MUST comply with the EU-brokered February 21st Agreement which insures a lawful government until the agreed-upon December elections. http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=909#comment-1526691
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Can somebody just ban Polemides indefinitely.
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Polemides wrote:Quote: The real "Ukraine" - Turkey's illegal occupation of Cyprus
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Heineken wrote:Can somebody just ban Polemides indefinitely. I second this notion.
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That "real Ukraine" is a fake title, the article is from 2012 and makes no mention of Ukraine.
False information?
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Iridium1010 wrote:That "real Ukraine" is a fake title, the article is from 2012 and makes no mention of Ukraine.
False information?
Edited by iridium1010: 4/3/2014 07:11:52 PM It's Polemides. I don't think he actually comes on here to post on football stuff ever. To be honest, I think he's a multi. Just not sure whose. :lol:
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Heineken wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:That "real Ukraine" is a fake title, the article is from 2012 and makes no mention of Ukraine.
False information?
Edited by iridium1010: 4/3/2014 07:11:52 PM It's Polemides. I don't think he actually comes on here to post on football stuff ever. To be honest, I think he's a multi. Just not sure whose. :lol: Zimbos:lol: :lol:
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Iridium1010 wrote:Heineken wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:That "real Ukraine" is a fake title, the article is from 2012 and makes no mention of Ukraine.
False information?
Edited by iridium1010: 4/3/2014 07:11:52 PM It's Polemides. I don't think he actually comes on here to post on football stuff ever. To be honest, I think he's a multi. Just not sure whose. :lol: Zimbos:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: That would be a Sybil of a multi.
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spfc wrote:ricecrackers wrote:spfc wrote:russia, belarus and ukraine all trace their ancestry to kievan rus, they're kinfolk, if there's any trouble you can be sure it's instigated and funded by outside parties who would you suggest? Im going to give you some information which you probably never considered and has been effectively hidden from the populace in general, so prepare your mind. All governments and major international organisations such as banks and religions have been infiltrated by an invisible world government of shape shifting reptilians whose ultimate goal is a one world government destroying all national sovreignty. Do some more research and once you're aware of the Agenda and the methods used to implement it it's much easier to make sense of global events. You're welcome. You should check out the flat earth society. That shit will blow your mind. We need a conspiracy theory thread.
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Iridium1010 wrote:Heineken wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:That "real Ukraine" is a fake title, the article is from 2012 and makes no mention of Ukraine.
False information?
Edited by iridium1010: 4/3/2014 07:11:52 PM It's Polemides. I don't think he actually comes on here to post on football stuff ever. To be honest, I think he's a multi. Just not sure whose. :lol: Zimbos:lol: :lol: Speaking of multis. I'm pretty sure Lester was COYS's multi. They both disappeared off here about the same time. I miss Lester.
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Polemides wrote:It's all over. Anything else is just rhetoric (or false flag). Quote:Putin Already Won In UkraineWITHOUT A SHOT being fired, Putin has secured a thorough purge of Ukrainian authority from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea (ARC). As home to Russia’s Black Sea Fleet in the port of Sevastopol, Putin can now be assured that his access to Egypt, Syria, and Iran—wherein his opposition to the agenda of the Jew-ruled West is bearing fruit—will not be compromised. Contrary to reports by the New York Times (Jew York Times), Putin NEVER “invaded” or “besieged” Ukraine. It has been proven, ironically by the same Jew York Times, that Crimean “provisional armed forces” of the ARC and NOT Russian soldiers are the ones guarding sensitive infrastructure entities in the peninsula. Indeed, the provisional army is made up of Crimea’s own home boys…in their apparently brand new uniforms bought from Russia. As for Russian soldiers patrolling sensitive areas in Sevastopol and Crimea, CIA Director John Brennan briefed lawmakers today that Russia’s military movements in Ukraine is “permitted” under a 1997 treaty between the two neighbors that allows as many as 25,000 Russian troops in the Crimean region. “The number of Russian troops that have surged onto the Ukrainian peninsula in recent days remains well below the 25,000 threshold,” Brennan affirmed. The Crimean government, although it sacked the Kiev-based regional government, will remain part of Ukraine but will strengthen its autonomy as a “federated” republic. Until the pending amended constitutional referendum is voted on at the end of March, Crimea remains a provisional autonomous government. Here’s the lay of the geopolitical ground in Ukraine: 1) With Putin upholding regional and international treaties; 2) With the Crimean government organizing its own Defense Ministry; 3) With Ukraine’s Navy Commander Berezovsky pledging an oath to the Crimean people; 4) With an entire Ukraine Air Force Base switching allegiance to Crimea, refusing to take orders from the new, self-appointed government in Kiev; 5) With Ukraine military units refusing orders from the illegitimate regime in Kiev; 6) With the EU unlikely to match the US in threatening sanctions against Russia; 7) With Odessa and two other southern Ukrainian capitals expressing willingness to become a part of the ARC…all that’s left for Putin to do is to put the screws on Kiev and his work is finished. BOTTOM LINE: Putin insists that the illegitimate regime in Kiev MUST comply with the EU-brokered February 21st Agreement which insures a lawful government until the agreed-upon December elections. http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=909#comment-1526691 RealJewNews. Gotta read me more of that stuff.
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Nothing completely serious, Warning shots were fired at Ukranian soldiers on their way to a seized base. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/04/ukraine-crisis-shots-fired-crimea-airbase
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dam! :-k Edited by mrmcjewpants: 4/3/2014 09:43:30 PM
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Putin doing a news conference, said the troops are not Russian :lol:
Germany's iron lady apparently said he's in another world :lol:
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Iridium1010 wrote:Putin doing a news conference, said the troops are not Russian :lol:
Germany's iron lady said he's in another world :lol:
Edited by iridium1010: 4/3/2014 10:12:48 PM Mad Vlad wrote:The post-Soviet space is full of such uniforms ... These were local self-defence forces. ...Except the local militias aren't equipped with late model AK-74 rifles, and newer AK-101/2/3 models with high-tech scopes, under slung grenade launchers, as well as anything that will fit onto a picatinny rail. The local milita's aren't sporting new Kevlar Helmets and body armour, either. The local milita's will be using stolen, somewhat outdated Ukrainian gear. Mad Vlad also wrote:No, because we will not go to war with the Ukrainian people.  Can see me using that quote, and picture for memes in a week or so.
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picture too stretched http://xn--80aqafcrtq.cc/img/1/7/4/174283.jpgEdited by iridium1010: 4/3/2014 10:36:48 PM
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Mad Vlad also wrote:No, because we will not go to war with the Ukrainian people. Just got suckered into that quote by Mad Vlad. #-o ](*,) ](*,) Russia will invade, and claim they're going to war against the Government. Inevitably, Ukrainian civilians will be killed, but that's going to be passed off as collateral damage, "you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs". I can't believe I got suckered into that. :lol: By the sounds of it, that quote is probably the clearest yet that Russia will engage in military operations against the Ukrainian government very, very soon. Just not against it's people. Remember that. ;) :-"
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Mad Vlad bossin' it. :lol: Splendid Russian Propaganda. ;) That was probably taken during the military exercises the Russians were conducting in Western Russia. Russian Media were allowed full access to Putin who was supervising the maneuvers. That should be his new facebook profile. :lol:
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Nah it's taken from a while go, I think that is the T-50.
But he's certainly got some swagger in that pic :lol:
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Iridium1010 wrote:Nah it's taken from a while go, I think that is the T-50.
But he's certainly got some swagger in that pic :lol: Is it just me, or do I see a shadow of George Bush Jn in his face. :-k
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[youtube]6tFJKPHonm0[/youtube] First footage of the 'first real shots fired'. Ukrainian Soldiers who weren't under siege, marched up to their Army barracks, where Russian Troops were manned. Clear short, 2-3 warning bursts of gun fire can be heard, as the Ukrainians don't break stride. Instead, breaking into voice, singing the Ukrainian national anthem. The Russian General and the Ukrainian General then meet , and whilst I don't speak Russian, it's clear what was being said. Gotta admitt, the Russian soldier to the left of the Russian General, the one who is holding his Kalashnikov sideways, certainly didn't look too pleased at being told to stand down. :lol:
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AP are reporting that the US are going to announce a $US 1 billion aid package to the Ukraine. Where they're going to get that billion dollars from, don't know. :lol:
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That armoured vehicle at the back, captured Ukrainian or Russian?
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Had to :lol:
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Iridium1010 wrote:That armoured vehicle at the back, captured Ukrainian or Russian? From The Guardian's live updated feed of the on-going crisis: Sean Walker appears to be a Guardian reporter who is covering the crisis is Crimea currently. Looks like he has front-line access.   Vehicle appears to be a GAZ Tigr, which suggests those troops are definitely not a 'self-defence' unit/milita, but soldiers from the 810th Russian Naval Infantry division that landed ashore from the Black Sea Fleet. Edited by Heineken: 5/3/2014 12:31:51 AM
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Heineken wrote:Had to :lol:  :lol: nd thanks about the vehicles.
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Ukrainian flag ship on tv right now going through the strait with a Turkish warship behind it :cool: Also just announced Turkey scrambled 8 fighter jets before.
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Sudetenland all over again. "We're from Berlin and we're here to help..."
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It's relevant because the same thing has occured in Cyprus only 100 times worse and it is ALLOWED by the international community. All because of US INTERESTS in Turkey. During the days following the Turkish invasion mass genocide occured and hundreds of thousands have been displaced. And they have filled northern Cyprus with settlers from the bowels of mainland Turkey. They (the West) can cry and get their media to flood us with propaganda but until they fix Cyprus they have no right to meddle with Russian affairs within a Russian majority territory. Fact is, all the 'good' nations of the world should be taking the whip to countries like Turkey and Saudi Arabia right now as we speak, but due to insecurities and greed attention is focused on superfluous matters, such as pretending Russia is still some soviet union that needs to be isolated and cold warred all over again [-x Edited by polemides: 5/3/2014 08:08:12 AM
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One of the best honest English language descriptions of what is happening in Ukraine.
If you want the honest truth, here it is-
[youtube]RNUM82hpktY[/youtube]
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Quote:'Putin denied that the Russian-speaking soldiers occupying key Crimean military sites were Russian special forces, saying they were pro-Russian local self-defence forces.' "There are many military uniforms. Go into any local shop and you can find one," he said. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I would love to see Putin invade news.com.au and its reading demographic
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American neocons begging for war, so sad and pathetic Quote:Let me make sense of what’s happening in Ukraine for you as that country descends into armed chaos, threatening to oust the legitimately elected Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich and place the country in the hands of rebel forces spearheaded by Ukrainian neo-Nazis and Chechen Islamist radicals. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, along with Obama adviser and designated liar Susan Rice, are neo-conservatives, neocons for short. The neocons, first in the form of the Trilateral Commission and more recently as the Carlyle Group, thrive on military conflict. When the world is at war, the neocons and the defense contractors who work with them make enormous amounts of money. The neocons don’t care which side you’re on, as long as they can work with you to create a political situation that they can grow into a war from which they will profit. The Ukrainian “revolution” was fostered and encouraged by Nuland, Rice and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt. These three were instrumental in staging a destabilization campaign. Working with Ukrainian neo-Nazis, they fostered the Ukrainian uprising that has caused the elected Ukrainian president to flee from Kiev. Arizona Sen. John McCain was also part of this duplicity. McCain went to Kiev in December last year and helped incite the mobs that would overthrow the legitimately elected president. If there were such a thing as a Nobel Anti-Peace Prize, McCain would win it hands down for his work in Egypt and Syria, topped off by what he’s done in Ukraine. The U.S.-supported insurgents have taken over Kiev and now hold the Ukrainian people hostage as the U.S. stands down. Barack Obama mouthed the emptiest of words – there will be “costs” to Russia for military action against the insurgents – while the U.S. found that its hands were tied. In the early stages of the rebellion, Ukrainian President Yanukovich met with the rebels staging the uprising, and the two parties agreed to stop the violence and make an orderly transition to a new government chosen in a new set of elections. Instead, the right-wing rebels ignored the agreement and took over Kiev by force, with their armed patrols maintaining control through violence. The situation in Ukraine has been painted as a conflict between Vladimir Putin’s Russia, the so-called bad guys, and Ukrainian rebels, the so-called good guys who seek to oust Russia from a position of influence in Ukraine and install a new government that will be responsive to the Ukrainian people. Don’t believe a word of it. The Ukrainian nationalists are fascists. Washington’s original purpose for staging a coup in Ukraine was to move Ukraine away from Russia and bring Ukraine into the European Union. In other words, the neocons and the bought-and-paid-for “moderates” in the Obama administration wanted to wrest control of Ukraine from Putin’s hands and gain economic and energy control over the country. As Dr. Stephen F. Cohen has pointed out, Western nations, with the U.S. leading the way, have been provoking Putin for decades. We’ve expanded NATO to include former Soviet states – Ukraine looks like the next target – and we’ve attacked allies of Russia, including Libya and Iraq. The U.S. – along with other Western nations – through our incursions into the politics, economics and national security of Russia and several of its allies, has effectively caused the situation that is now unfolding in Ukraine. Cohen is right. Putin is certainly not a good guy, but he is not the villain in this. The Jews have always been canaries in the coal mine of human rights in Russia, and Putin has been better to Russian Jews than any other Russian leader in the past century. With the elected government now driven out of Ukraine, the anti-Semitic U.S.-backed fascist thugs who have assumed control are vandalizing synagogues and threatening the lives of Jews in Crimea. Putin has also been forced to deploy military assets to Crimea, an important region that Russia ceded to Ukraine in the 1950s, when the USSR was reaching the height of its power and Ukraine was one of its puppet states. The majority population in Crimea is Russian, and its warm-water Black Sea ports are critical to Russian military and trade interests. Russia cannot afford to let the Crimean region fall into the hands of the insurgents who are trying to take over Ukraine. In addition to deploying military assets in Crimea, Putin has contacted his allies in at least eight other strategically located countries to assure that Russia has access to those countries’ military facilities so Putin’s forces can extend their long-range naval and strategic bomber capabilities. In other words, the U.S. interference in Ukrainian politics has resulted in Putin expanding his military influence, while at the same time Barack Obama is bent on shrinking our own military to pre-World War II levels. Once again, the incompetent, uninformed and uninvolved president of the U.S. has drawn a pink line in the sand. Obama doesn’t know whose side he’s on. He didn’t even bother to attend the meeting of his national security advisers on Friday afternoon as the Ukrainian conflict was escalating and Putin was deploying his military. The new game in Washington, D.C., is not “Where’s Waldo?” It’s “Where’s Barry?” They took the trouble to Photoshop Obama into pictures of national security meetings during the Benghazi crisis. In this case, they’re not even bothering to pretend he’s in charge. Obama hasn’t got a clue about what the conflict in the Ukraine means. Nuland and Rice, two of the four horsewomen of the apocalypse who seem to make so many critical decisions of this administration, told him to blame Putin, so that is what he did. Now the Russian and Ukrainian people are at grave risk from the Ukrainian nationalists and Chechen Islamic jihadists into whose hands the U.S. has worked to place the fate of that country, and Putin has called on his allies to assist him in expanding his military presence around the world. The greatest hypocrisy here comes from those who call for open borders with Mexico and amnesty for 30 million illegal aliens who have violated our territorial integrity. It is our own politicians and advisers – Sens. Dick Durbin, Lindsey Graham and John McCain, along with national security renegades like Zbigniew Brzezinski and Madeleine Albright – who have made our borders meaningless. Our foreign enemies are less to be feared than the American subversives who are orchestrating the takeover of Ukraine by pro-Islamist Ukrainian neo-Nazis. Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/obamas-ukrainian-pink-line/#Gb4pmeFj7AJgFhRx.99
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Socceroofan4life wrote:Quote:'Putin denied that the Russian-speaking soldiers occupying key Crimean military sites were Russian special forces, saying they were pro-Russian local self-defence forces.' "There are many military uniforms. Go into any local shop and you can find one," he said. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Yes, they got all those Russian plated APC's from a store as well :lol: If that's the case, why do they have shiny new guns and the current Ukrainies have shit weaps? -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:Socceroofan4life wrote:Quote:'Putin denied that the Russian-speaking soldiers occupying key Crimean military sites were Russian special forces, saying they were pro-Russian local self-defence forces.' "There are many military uniforms. Go into any local shop and you can find one," he said. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Yes, they got all those Russian plated APC's from a store as well :lol: If that's the case, why do they have shiny new guns and the current Ukrainies have shit weaps? -PB Ukraine's military hardware is old soviet equipment, or if you're lucky enough to have some new equipment german built. So they're not Russian loyalists from the Ukraine army. All the soldiers had shiny new Russian built hardware. Apparently Russia has taken a Missile Defence Base in Sevastopol.
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So Russia's scuttled a couple of warships, (albeit one was de-commissioned and going to be sold for scrap) at the entrance of a Ukrainian Naval Base, as a means to stop the few ships of the Ukrainian fleet that managed to high-tail it out of port during the invasion from sailing back in and either rescuing their comrades, or going in Bruce Willis, "Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker" style. :lol: The funny thing about it I think they've trapped one or two of their own ships in that harbour by doing that. :lol: Edited by Heineken: 10/3/2014 02:03:05 AM
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Heineken wrote::lol: The funny thing about it I think they've trapped one or two of their own ships in that harbour by doing that. :lol:
Edited by Heineken: 10/3/2014 02:03:05 AM No way they're that daft.
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afromanGT wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Socceroofan4life wrote:Quote:'Putin denied that the Russian-speaking soldiers occupying key Crimean military sites were Russian special forces, saying they were pro-Russian local self-defence forces.' "There are many military uniforms. Go into any local shop and you can find one," he said. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Yes, they got all those Russian plated APC's from a store as well :lol: If that's the case, why do they have shiny new guns and the current Ukrainies have shit weaps? -PB Ukraine's military hardware is old soviet equipment, or if you're lucky enough to have some new equipment german built. So they're not Russian loyalists from the Ukraine army. All the soldiers had shiny new Russian built hardware. Apparently Russia has taken a Missile Defence Base in Sevastopol. lol what do you know cutting and pasting BBC
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ricecrackers wrote:afromanGT wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Socceroofan4life wrote:Quote:'Putin denied that the Russian-speaking soldiers occupying key Crimean military sites were Russian special forces, saying they were pro-Russian local self-defence forces.' "There are many military uniforms. Go into any local shop and you can find one," he said. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Yes, they got all those Russian plated APC's from a store as well :lol: If that's the case, why do they have shiny new guns and the current Ukrainies have shit weaps? -PB Ukraine's military hardware is old soviet equipment, or if you're lucky enough to have some new equipment german built. So they're not Russian loyalists from the Ukraine army. All the soldiers had shiny new Russian built hardware. Apparently Russia has taken a Missile Defence Base in Sevastopol. lol what do you know cutting and pasting BBC If you can tell me which article I've plagiarised from the BBC...Oh wait, you can't, because I haven't. Who do you think you are? Notorganic?
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Just leave it to Sarah fucking Palin ffs. SMH wrote:Sarah Palin: stop Putin with nukesMarch 9, 2014  Sarah Palin has offered unsolicited advice to US President Barack Obama on containing Russian aggression, saying ''the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke''. The Republican former vice-presidential candidate used a predominantly crass tone throughout her appearance at the Conservative Political Action Conference. But she hit home by attacking what she called a feckless Obama foreign policy that she said has helped embolden Russian President Vladimir Putin. Failing to show peace through strength has allowed some ''very, very, very bad dudes [to] gain ground'', said Ms Palin, who remains a darling of the far-right. Advertisement Mr Obama ''would gut our arsenal while he allows others – enemies – to enrich theirs'', she said. ''Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.'' The comments follow Russia's move into neighbouring Ukraine, action which sent tensions soaring and US-Russia relations to perhaps their lowest point since the end of the Cold War. The remark may have sounded flippant, but it was red meat to conservatives mindful of similar language used by the head of the National Rifle Association, America's largest gun lobby. In the aftermath of a December 2012 mass shooting in Connecticut, NRA executive vice-president Wayne LaPierre poured fuel on the gun control debate by saying that ''the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun''.
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paladisious wrote:Just leave it to Sarah fucking Palin ffs. SMH wrote:Sarah Palin: stop Putin with nukesMarch 9, 2014  Sarah Palin has offered unsolicited advice to US President Barack Obama on containing Russian aggression, saying ''the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke''. The Republican former vice-presidential candidate used a predominantly crass tone throughout her appearance at the Conservative Political Action Conference. But she hit home by attacking what she called a feckless Obama foreign policy that she said has helped embolden Russian President Vladimir Putin. Failing to show peace through strength has allowed some ''very, very, very bad dudes [to] gain ground'', said Ms Palin, who remains a darling of the far-right. Advertisement Mr Obama ''would gut our arsenal while he allows others – enemies – to enrich theirs'', she said. ''Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.'' The comments follow Russia's move into neighbouring Ukraine, action which sent tensions soaring and US-Russia relations to perhaps their lowest point since the end of the Cold War. The remark may have sounded flippant, but it was red meat to conservatives mindful of similar language used by the head of the National Rifle Association, America's largest gun lobby. In the aftermath of a December 2012 mass shooting in Connecticut, NRA executive vice-president Wayne LaPierre poured fuel on the gun control debate by saying that ''the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun''. Lol. Saw this on that SBS show "the feed" Marc 'that movie guy' Fennel's eye roll after they played the clip was brilliant.
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Who gives this dumb bitch airtime?
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Sweet Jesus . Please tell me she isn't serious , she isn't that daft .... wait :lol:
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Sweet Jesus . Please tell me she isn't serious , she isn't that daft .... wait :lol: It's statements like that which make you glad she'll never be anywhere near running the country.
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afromanGT wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Sweet Jesus . Please tell me she isn't serious , she isn't that daft .... wait :lol: It's statements like that which make you glad she'll never be anywhere near running the country. True, but she got pretty close. And that greatly concerns me.
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u4486662 wrote:afromanGT wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Sweet Jesus . Please tell me she isn't serious , she isn't that daft .... wait :lol: It's statements like that which make you glad she'll never be anywhere near running the country. True, but she got pretty close. And that greatly concerns me. Sadly our country is run by a person close to Palin in style ; ) also the us was run by bush remember :lol:
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u4486662 wrote:afromanGT wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Sweet Jesus . Please tell me she isn't serious , she isn't that daft .... wait :lol: It's statements like that which make you glad she'll never be anywhere near running the country. True, but she got pretty close. And that greatly concerns me. She'll never even be in the same building as the big red button.
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Wow, she's managed to turn
"Russia will not attack America with nuclear weapons because of the threat of mutually assured destruction"
into
"The good guys have nukes to stop the bad guys"
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433 wrote:Wow, she's managed to turn
"Russia will not attack America with nuclear weapons because of the threat of mutually assured destruction"
into
"The good guys have nukes to stop the bad guys"
:lol:
Remember this is the woman who said she can see Russia from her back yard :lol:
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:433 wrote:Wow, she's managed to turn
"Russia will not attack America with nuclear weapons because of the threat of mutually assured destruction"
into
"The good guys have nukes to stop the bad guys"
:lol:
Remember this is the woman who said she can see Russia from her back yard :lol: considering she's from Alaska, that's not such an absurd statement to make. As a metaphor stretch, it was pretty reasonable.
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Oh well, the young Sarah Palin would have had at least one good use...
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afromanGT wrote:ricecrackers wrote:afromanGT wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Socceroofan4life wrote:Quote:'Putin denied that the Russian-speaking soldiers occupying key Crimean military sites were Russian special forces, saying they were pro-Russian local self-defence forces.' "There are many military uniforms. Go into any local shop and you can find one," he said. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Yes, they got all those Russian plated APC's from a store as well :lol: If that's the case, why do they have shiny new guns and the current Ukrainies have shit weaps? -PB Ukraine's military hardware is old soviet equipment, or if you're lucky enough to have some new equipment german built. So they're not Russian loyalists from the Ukraine army. All the soldiers had shiny new Russian built hardware. Apparently Russia has taken a Missile Defence Base in Sevastopol. lol what do you know cutting and pasting BBC If you can tell me which article I've plagiarised from the BBC...Oh wait, you can't, because I haven't. Who do you think you are? Notorganic? Who do you think you are? you know sweet f%#! all about this Edited by ricecrackers: 11/3/2014 10:10:22 AM
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Who's nailin' palin' Best movie ever. -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:Who's nailin' palin'
Best movie ever.
-PB Is that some kind of porn parody or what?
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Condemned666 wrote: Its Not high on my list of destinations I'd like to visit, bro
I actually did a pisstake at the bookshop this afternoon showing the lonely planet cover of Ukraine, "The Happiest Place on Earth" :lol:
Although it did bring us the magic of Andrei Shevchenko
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
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thupercoach wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:433 wrote:Wow, she's managed to turn
"Russia will not attack America with nuclear weapons because of the threat of mutually assured destruction"
into
"The good guys have nukes to stop the bad guys"
:lol:
Remember this is the woman who said she can see Russia from her back yard :lol: considering she's from Alaska, that's not such an absurd statement to make. As a metaphor stretch, it was pretty reasonable. From memory, she made that comment to show her credentials in foreign policy. As in: Candidate 1: "I've spent 4 years as secretary of state, managing foreign relations." Candidate 2: "I have led a dozen delegations across the globe, and negotiated peace treaties." Sarah Palin: "I can see Russia from my backyard."
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YerNathanael wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Who's nailin' palin'
Best movie ever.
-PB Is that some kind of porn parody or what? Of course rofl. -PB
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Excellent analysis by Dan Carlin on his podcast this week.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:433 wrote:Wow, she's managed to turn
"Russia will not attack America with nuclear weapons because of the threat of mutually assured destruction"
into
"The good guys have nukes to stop the bad guys"
:lol:
Remember this is the woman who said she can see Russia from her back yard :lol: considering she's from Alaska, that's not such an absurd statement to make. The Bering Straight is 50 miles across (80km). You can't see Russia from Alaska unless you're 100ft in the air. So no, she can't see Alaska from her back yard.
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Isn't Greenland closer to Alaska then Russia ??
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Isn't Greenland closer to Alaska then Russia ?? Are you dumber than she is?
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afromanGT wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Isn't Greenland closer to Alaska then Russia ?? Are you dumber than she is? Nope just asking as I'm bored :lol:
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:afromanGT wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:433 wrote:Wow, she's managed to turn
"Russia will not attack America with nuclear weapons because of the threat of mutually assured destruction"
into
"The good guys have nukes to stop the bad guys"
:lol:
Remember this is the woman who said she can see Russia from her back yard :lol: considering she's from Alaska, that's not such an absurd statement to make. The Bering Straight is 50 miles across (80km). You can't see Russia from Alaska unless you're 100ft in the air. So no, she can't see Alaska from her back yard. [youtube]jI4Ojgz5Qo4[/youtube]
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paulbagzFC wrote:YerNathanael wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Who's nailin' palin'
Best movie ever.
-PB Is that some kind of porn parody or what? Of course rofl. -PB   Edited by paladisious: 11/3/2014 11:10:51 PM
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Good to see that Rule 34 is still in effect.
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Quote:Ron Paul: Crimea secedes. So what?Residents of Crimea voted over the weekend on whether they would remain an autonomous region of Ukraine or join the Russian Federation. In so doing, they joined a number of countries and regions — including recently Scotland, Catalonia and Venice — that are seeking to secede from what they view as unresponsive or oppressive governments. These latter three are proceeding without much notice, while the overwhelming Crimea vote to secede from Ukraine has incensed U.S. and European Union officials, and has led NATO closer to conflict with Russia than since the height of the Cold War. What's the big deal? Opponents of the Crimea vote like to point to the illegality of the referendum. But self-determination is a centerpiece of international law. Article I of the United Nations Charter points out clearly that the purpose of the U.N. is to "develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples." Why does the U.S. care which flag will be hoisted on a small piece of land thousands of miles away? Critics point to the Russian "occupation" of Crimea as evidence that no fair vote could have taken place. Where were these people when an election held in an Iraq occupied by U.S. troops was called a "triumph of democracy"? Perhaps the U.S. officials who supported the unconstitutional overthrow of Ukraine's government should refocus their energies on learning our own Constitution, which does not allow the U.S. government to overthrow governments overseas or send a billion dollars to bail out Ukraine and its international creditors. Though the Obama administration has applied some minimal sanctions on selected Russian and Crimean individuals, neither the U.S. nor the EU can afford significant sanctions against Russia. Global trade provides too much economic benefit to both sides. Indeed, international markets rallied on news that the sanctions would be thus far minimal. They understand that trade and economic engagement are the surest roads to peace and prosperity. Let's hope governments will follow their lead. Former representative Ron Paul of Texas is host of the new RonPaulChannel.com. Comments Ludolf Pauli Pozzo · Physicist at Large Henron Collider Dr. Paul gives another accurate prognosis. A modern day Founding Father. Those who like to puff their chests go sign-up and 'save' the people of Russia...I mean Crimea from their own vote for self-determination. Rick Blankenship · Top Commenter · West Carrollton High School We are NOT the world police. USA should keep our noses out of the other peoples problems. What if Russia had intervened when we elected an Ass Clown (obama) for president? I wish they would have! RV Rad · Top Commenter This man should be President of the United States. Unfortunately, until electoral college system is abolished no real change with happen in this country. Both parties will continue maintaining their grip on power and keep driving this country to its end. And the end is nearer and nearer. David Nelson · Top Commenter While not a Ron Paul fan, his commentary is both accurate and realistic. There were reports that US would punish Putin by freezing the overseas assets of his rich supporters, but has been reported those individuals already have removed most if not all their assets and returned them to Russia. Greg Mauer · Top Commenter · Works at Tab Sound Design Exactly! Keep out of it. We don't need anymore financial crisis' brought on by the manchild President! Go golf for the rest of your term and quit raising taxes to pay for Obama phones! Donald Wade · Top Commenter · Wayne State University Russia gave the Crimea to the Ukraine in the 50's when the Ukraine was part of Russia. this does not surprise me that the Crimea returns to Russia. This should not cause a war. John Moore · Works at UC Santa Barbara I do not always agree with Ron Paul, but here he seems to have hit the nail on the head. Why didn't US newspapers report the vote? Were they embarrassed by the outcome? Ron Erke · Top Commenter · Mansfield, Texas Ron Paul is right, Crimea was part of Russia before the Soviet Union, Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine in the 1950's thinking that the Soviet Union would never dissolve. Steve Gaines · Top Commenter · .NET Architect / Developer at Matrix Resources Leave it to Ron Paul to speak wisdom based on truth and consistent application of principles of justice and fairness. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/03/17/crimea-ukraine-russia-ron-paul-editorials-debates/6544163/
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paladisious wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:YerNathanael wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Who's nailin' palin'
Best movie ever.
-PB Is that some kind of porn parody or what? Of course rofl. -PB   Edited by paladisious: 11/3/2014 11:10:51 PM :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Out of sheer curiosity, I watched that last night. :lol: Most Lol porno since Paris Hilton's.
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afromanGT wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:433 wrote:Wow, she's managed to turn
"Russia will not attack America with nuclear weapons because of the threat of mutually assured destruction"
into
"The good guys have nukes to stop the bad guys"
:lol:
Remember this is the woman who said she can see Russia from her back yard :lol: considering she's from Alaska, that's not such an absurd statement to make. The Bering Straight is 50 miles across (80km). You can't see Russia from Alaska unless you're 100ft in the air. So no, she can't see Alaska from her back yard. Is your real name Buzz Killington?
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This whole fiasco was worth it for the adorableness that is Natalia Poklonskaya, Attorney general of Crimea :lol:.
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Quote:Crimea Spring…Putin Hails Constitutional Democracy! A TURNING EVENT in world affairs took place in St George’s Hall in Moscow. Ignoring Kerry’s and Merkel’s sanctions, Vladimir Putin signed a treaty today making Crimea part of Russia once again. Basking amidst countless standing ovations from both chambers of the Russian Federation Council, Putin told the world that “relations” with the brotherly Ukrainian people have “always been and will always remain” of paramount importance to Russia. Affirming that the referendum in the Crimea took place in full compliance with democratic procedures, Putin noted that memory and custom bound Russia and Crimea together. “There is ancient Chersonesos there, where Holy Prince Vladimir was baptized,” said Putin. “His spiritual struggle - an appeal to Orthodoxy - predestined common cultural values and a civilizational framework that will unite the peoples of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.” Landing a blow on the head of the Zionist-ruled West’s efforts to destroy Orthodox Christianity in Ukraine, Putin noted that “repeated attempts” to deprive the Russians of their historical memory and their mother tongue made them an object of forced assimilation. And letting the head of the Jew-infested US State Department, John Kerry, and his Jew-director of regime change in Kiev, Victoria Nuland (born Nudelman), know in no uncertain terms, that the “primary executors of the coup” were Russophobes, ultra-nationalists, and radicals who are now determining the course of Ukraine, Putin landed the fatal blow. “There is no legitimate executive power in Ukraine,” Putin reminded Russia’s civil officials and representatives. “There is no one to conduct a conversation with.” “To see ministers of the current Ukrainian government, one requires permission from Maidan militants. This is no joke, this is the reality of life today,” concluded Putin. View Entire Story Here & Here. In contrast to Putin’s celebration of constitutional democracy, Jew-ruled heads of America and the EU (Obama and Merkel) reviled the democratic moment in Crimea. If America and the EU claim to be champions of democracy, why won’t they affirm the Crimean people’s right of self-determination via the democratic referendum that just took place in which the overwhelming majority voted to join Russia? It's because the Zionist, who dictate foreign policy in America and Europe, fear Vladimir Putin like few others in modern history. He’s righteous, he’s smart, and to Jewry’s enraged accursed temper, he’s a loyal member of the Orthodox Church, of which, Jews hate with a demonic passion. (Jews don’t just hate Russian Orthodoxy but all of the Orthodox Church starting with Jesus Christ.) Just mention the “Russian Orthodox Church” to a Jew and phantoms of pogroms and processionals of crosses appear before his jaundiced eye. Why is it then that wherever you look in the Jew-owned press, pictures of Putin with LYING headlines and texts are blazoned before the eyes of the goyim masses? Does Putin care? No. National interests take precedence over what pleases democracy-hating, Christ-slaying Zionists. Comments JeanMarch 18, 2014 @ 2:33 pm God bless President Vladimir Putin and I pray for him and Russia as the devil goes round as a lion. The depraved Western societies led by the mother of whores the USA are on their final trip to hell. This must be a grave warning to Christians that soon our Lord Jesus Christ can come back. In the meantime we are praying for the Brothers who oppose the demons and followers. TimWMarch 18, 2014 @ 2:37 pm God Speed Vladimir Putin. “Except the Lord keep the gate, the watchman waketh in vain” is the motto of my home city, Edinburgh, and it applies to Orthodox Russia, too. May the Lord keep them safe from the plague which has infested the entire world, International Jewry, upon whom may His vengeance fall in full measure, and speedily. Irene BonneyMarch 18, 2014 @ 3:10 pm One day the true Church of Christ will proclaim ‘Hallelujah, for the Lord God Omnipotent reigns.’ This Australian, far-flung Subject of Queen Elizabeth, whose ancestor was the last Czarina of Russia, commends Vladimir Putin, Russia and the Russian Orthodox Church for their stand against our common enemy, although my fellows are in blissful ignorance of such a one. RichardMarch 18, 2014 @ 4:00 pm I find it truly remarkable that Putin would make reference to the baptism of one of his earliest predecessors whom he qualifies as being “holy.” Certainly, no modern political “leader” in the West would ever make such statements. emMarch 18, 2014 @ 4:17 pm It is shameful and astonishing that US and European lickspittle politicians condemned the democratic referendum in Crimea. Unbelievable. I identify more with Russia than vile, vermin-controlled, rotten USA. Russia’s government serves it’s people. It obeys international law and decency, whereas the USA and its occupied puppet states in Europe are murderously unethical, with theft, destruction, and enslavement as their main goals. KathJulianeMarch 18, 2014 @ 4:19 pm Fantastic article on a major historical event, which reads just beautifully. Very smooth, and more than that, it subtly underscores the ongoing spiritual warfare between Holy Christian Orthodoxy and the Jews ever since Christ walked this earth.Today, truly the Gates of Hell did not prevail. Orthodoxy is clearly on the offensive, and Putin has stormed those gates serving as Heaven’s spiritual battering ram. Without firing a shot, Putin has ushered the cradle of Russian Christianity — Crimea and Sebastopol — home to Mother Russia. Today is a great day. The Elder of Zyklon-BMarch 18, 2014 @ 5:59 pm It is indeed an age-old spiritual war as KJ mentioned above. A long awaited spiritual revival will emerge from the East and definitely NOT from the decadent West/Jewmerica. The London, Israhell, and US axis of depravity have drunk from the cup of Talmudic debauchery to the point of lethal intoxication. JustinMarch 18, 2014 @ 8:01 pm God is guiding Putin, on his holy quest for Orthodoxy in Christ. I wish him well as his brother in Christ and ask Saint Vladimir’s intercession for Putin’s rule to prosper, even as a monarchist (who would love to see the Romanovs return) I ask this prayer. Yankee GoyMarch 18, 2014 @ 8:27 pm Putin needs to communicate with conservative Christians in the USA. “I am not a communist, communism is Talmudism and there are no Jews in my government — this is no longer the Jew-SSR.
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http://www.interpretermag.com/rts-manuel-ochsenreiter/RT: Decries fascist influence in Ukraine. Invites actual fascist into studio, and designates him a 'Mid-East expert' Edited by humbert: 23/3/2014 03:00:18 PM
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Not looking good in eastern ukraine.
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I look forward to the day that Putin has to defend ethnic Russians in a country like Italy :lol: -PB
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Geez the Obama malaise is worse than the Carter malaise...
Putin is just doing what he can get away with.
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thupercoach wrote:Geez the Obama malaise is worse than the Carter malaise...
Putin is just doing what he can get away with. I distinctly remember two large towers in New York that were there during Clinton's administration. Did something happen to them under Bush? Which administration got the guy responsible? :-k
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Quote:Russia warns of civil war if Ukraine uses force to quell eastern revolts
(CNN) -- Russia's Foreign Ministry warned Kiev on Tuesday that any use of force in Ukraine's eastern region could lead to civil war, as Ukraine's government seeks to regain control after pro-Moscow uprisings in three cities.
Pro-Moscow protesters seized government buildings, raised Russian flags and declared new governments in Donetsk, Luhansk and Kharkiv on Sunday.
Russia's Foreign Ministry said that reports that pro-Russian protesters, including those occupying a regional administration building in the city of Donetsk, are facing a crackdown by Ukrainian authorities are of particular concern.
"We are calling for the immediate cessation of any military preparations, which could lead to civil war," it said in a statement on its official website.
The ministry alleged that what it called "American experts from the private military organization Greystone," disguised as soldiers, as well as militants from the Ukrainian far-right group Right Sector, had joined Ukrainian forces preparing for the crackdown in the country's east.
Late Monday, Ukrainian special forces cleared armed protesters from the headquarters of Ukrainian security services in Donetsk, acting President Oleksandr Turchynov's office announced Monday night.
But Ukraine's interim Deputy Prime Minister Vitaly Yarema was quoted by Russian state-run news agency ITAR-Tass as saying Tuesday that the authorities are not going to storm the city's regional administration building.
Yarema said the decision was made after talks with representatives of the protesters in the building.
A CNN team on the ground said pro-Russian protesters appear still to be in control of the building and that there is no sign of special forces nearby.
Donetsk is the hometown of ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, whose pro-Russian government was toppled in a popular revolt in February.
'Anti-terrorist operation'
Meanwhile, acting Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said an anti-terrorist operation is under way in Kharkiv, where the center of the city is blocked off as well as the metro stations.
In a post on his official Facebook page, he urged people to remain calm and said everything would reopen once the operation is over.
Avakov said no guns have been fired in the operation and that some 70 people have been arrested so far.
On Monday, Turchynov blamed "separatist groups coordinated by Russian special services" for the revolts, which he said echoed events leading to the Russian annexation of Crimea three weeks ago.
"Enemies of Ukraine are trying to play out the Crimean scenario, but we will not let this happen," Turchynov said in a televised message.
Russia urges talks
Russia, which has tens of thousands of troops near the Ukrainian border, said it was "watching closely" and told Ukraine to stop blaming it for Ukrainian problems.
President Vladimir Putin's government pushed Ukraine to set up a federal system in which regions with ethnic Russian majorities would have more autonomy, and its foreign ministry urged Ukraine to enter into talks over the issue.
"Ukrainian people want to get a clear answer from Kiev to all their questions. It's time to listen to these legal claims," a Foreign Ministry statement read. The Ukrainian government was acting "irresponsibly," it said.
But in Washington, U.S. officials urged Putin's government to disavow the protests and warned that further Russian intervention in Ukraine would bring stiffer economic sanctions than those already imposed on targeted individuals over the Crimean annexation.
Moscow dispatched thousands of troops to Crimea in support of a pro-Russian movement that seized power in the semi-autonomous region shortly after Yanukovych fled to Russia. The Black Sea peninsula was then subsumed into Russia following a referendum denounced as illegal by Kiev and the West
Russia has called Yanukovych's removal a coup and says the interim government in Kiev is illegitimate. It has said it doesn't intend to invade eastern Ukraine but reserves the right to protect ethnic Russians there. http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/08/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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paladisious wrote:thupercoach wrote:Geez the Obama malaise is worse than the Carter malaise...
Putin is just doing what he can get away with. I distinctly remember two large towers in New York that were there during Clinton's administration. Did something happen to them under Bush? Which administration got the guy responsible? :-k The guy who dramatically reduced USA's intelligence capabilities. He was in charge for 8 years right before Bush. Bush had only been Pres for six months when 9/11 happened.
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Germany need to mobilize their armies and force Russia to back down. Quote: Bush had only been Pres for six months when 9/11 happened. The US President is sworn in on January 20th. That's more than six months.
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no idea :roll:
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ricecrackers wrote:no idea :roll: Quality contribution.
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afromanGT wrote:ricecrackers wrote:no idea :roll: Quality contribution. "Germany need to mobilise their armies" what have you been smoking :oops:
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ricecrackers wrote:afromanGT wrote:ricecrackers wrote:no idea :roll: Quality contribution. "Germany need to mobilise their armies" what have you been smoking :oops: With the majority of Europe currently relying on Germany for economic stability, they basically determine the stance and course of action for the entire continent. On top of that they have one of Europe's elite armed forces, if they mobilize in the Ukraine to keep the peace, Russia won't risk full scale military conflict against what will in reality become the majority of Europe. Aside from principle and a sense of loyalty to expats, Russia has very little to gain from full scale conflict in Ukraine - they're an import economy which owes Gazprom $2.2bn. About all Russia has to benefit from annexing Ukraine is their metal industry.
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afromanGT wrote:Aside from principle and a sense of loyalty to expats, Russia has very little to gain from full scale conflict in Ukraine - they're an import economy which owes Gazprom $2.2bn. About all Russia has to benefit from annexing Ukraine is their metal industry. Crimea was important for its port and gas line. Beyond that I don't imagine Russia much care either way what happens to the rest of Ukraine.
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Putin has taken Russia back to its expansionist self of the mid-late 1800s.
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Scoll wrote:afromanGT wrote:Aside from principle and a sense of loyalty to expats, Russia has very little to gain from full scale conflict in Ukraine - they're an import economy which owes Gazprom $2.2bn. About all Russia has to benefit from annexing Ukraine is their metal industry. Crimea was important for its port and gas line. Beyond that I don't imagine Russia much care either way what happens to the rest of Ukraine. Russia already has a port at Rostov. However, 66% of Russia's natural gas exported to the EU passes through Crimea, and if they were to capture Donetsk it would increase Russia's Iron and Steel production by nearly 50%.
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A lot of similarities to this by Russia with what they did with Georgia & South Ossetia. Vladamir Putin trying to flex his muscles.
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Heineken wrote:A lot of similarities to this by Russia with what they did with Georgia & South Ossetia. Vladamir Putin trying to flex his muscles. Oh yeah.
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afromanGT wrote:ricecrackers wrote:afromanGT wrote:ricecrackers wrote:no idea :roll: Quality contribution. "Germany need to mobilise their armies" what have you been smoking :oops: With the majority of Europe currently relying on Germany for economic stability, they basically determine the stance and course of action for the entire continent. On top of that they have one of Europe's elite armed forces, if they mobilize in the Ukraine to keep the peace, Russia won't risk full scale military conflict against what will in reality become the majority of Europe. Aside from principle and a sense of loyalty to expats, Russia has very little to gain from full scale conflict in Ukraine - they're an import economy which owes Gazprom $2.2bn. About all Russia has to benefit from annexing Ukraine is their metal industry. you really dont have a clue what you're talking about. do you remember the last time Germany engaged Russia in military conflict? how did that turn out? do you realise who it was that encouraged the regime change in Ukraine? ie who caused it do you understand the hypocrisy of Kerry's position regarding peaceful protesters in Eastern Ukraine when he supported violent protesters in Kiev and Lviv? do you think Russia is the aggressor here when they were previously satisfied with the arrangement with Ukraine which has since entered an agreement with NATO under US pressure? do you realise that ethnic Russians are now being targeted by fascist thugs?
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Quote:do you remember the last time Germany engaged Russia in military conflict? how did that turn out? You do realise that was in the middle of winter in a heavily fortified Moscow where Russia had superior troop numbers? Quote:do you think Russia is the aggressor here Russian troops on non-russian soil. Yes, that much is bleedingly fucking obvious. Quote:do you realise that ethnic Russians are now being targeted by fascist thugs? You do realise that those conflicts go both ways and Ukranian loyalists have been victims of violence as well?
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afromanGT wrote:Quote:do you remember the last time Germany engaged Russia in military conflict? how did that turn out? You do realise that was in the middle of winter in a heavily fortified Moscow where Russia had superior troop numbers? Quote:do you think Russia is the aggressor here Russian troops on non-russian soil. Yes, that much is bleedingly fucking obvious. Quote:do you realise that ethnic Russians are now being targeted by fascist thugs? You do realise that those conflicts go both ways and Ukranian loyalists have been victims of violence as well? I didnt realise Russia had invaded Ukraine. care to provide some evidence?
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ricecrackers wrote:afromanGT wrote:Quote:do you remember the last time Germany engaged Russia in military conflict? how did that turn out? You do realise that was in the middle of winter in a heavily fortified Moscow where Russia had superior troop numbers? Quote:do you think Russia is the aggressor here Russian troops on non-russian soil. Yes, that much is bleedingly fucking obvious. Quote:do you realise that ethnic Russians are now being targeted by fascist thugs? You do realise that those conflicts go both ways and Ukranian loyalists have been victims of violence as well? I didnt realise Russia had invaded Ukraine. care to provide some evidence? Russian troops were in Sevastopol before the 'referendum'.
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ricecrackers wrote:afromanGT wrote:Quote:do you remember the last time Germany engaged Russia in military conflict? how did that turn out? You do realise that was in the middle of winter in a heavily fortified Moscow where Russia had superior troop numbers? Quote:do you think Russia is the aggressor here Russian troops on non-russian soil. Yes, that much is bleedingly fucking obvious. Quote:do you realise that ethnic Russians are now being targeted by fascist thugs? You do realise that those conflicts go both ways and Ukranian loyalists have been victims of violence as well? I didnt realise Russia had invaded Ukraine. care to provide some evidence? You indict yourself by your own stupidity. One need not say more. Edited by humbert: 10/4/2014 11:44:23 PM
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afromanGT wrote:ricecrackers wrote:afromanGT wrote:Quote:do you remember the last time Germany engaged Russia in military conflict? how did that turn out? You do realise that was in the middle of winter in a heavily fortified Moscow where Russia had superior troop numbers? Quote:do you think Russia is the aggressor here Russian troops on non-russian soil. Yes, that much is bleedingly fucking obvious. Quote:do you realise that ethnic Russians are now being targeted by fascist thugs? You do realise that those conflicts go both ways and Ukranian loyalists have been victims of violence as well? I didnt realise Russia had invaded Ukraine. care to provide some evidence? Russian troops were in Sevastopol before the 'referendum'. they have a naval base there as well as long standing contract that they could station up to 25,000 troops in Crimea, of which they did not transgress now about that evidence, got any?
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humbert wrote:ricecrackers wrote:afromanGT wrote:Quote:do you remember the last time Germany engaged Russia in military conflict? how did that turn out? You do realise that was in the middle of winter in a heavily fortified Moscow where Russia had superior troop numbers? Quote:do you think Russia is the aggressor here Russian troops on non-russian soil. Yes, that much is bleedingly fucking obvious. Quote:do you realise that ethnic Russians are now being targeted by fascist thugs? You do realise that those conflicts go both ways and Ukranian loyalists have been victims of violence as well? I didnt realise Russia had invaded Ukraine. care to provide some evidence? You indict yourself by your own stupidity. One need not say more. Edited by humbert: 10/4/2014 11:44:23 PM another ignorant without a clue ^
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ricecrackers wrote:afromanGT wrote:ricecrackers wrote:afromanGT wrote:Quote:do you remember the last time Germany engaged Russia in military conflict? how did that turn out? You do realise that was in the middle of winter in a heavily fortified Moscow where Russia had superior troop numbers? Quote:do you think Russia is the aggressor here Russian troops on non-russian soil. Yes, that much is bleedingly fucking obvious. Quote:do you realise that ethnic Russians are now being targeted by fascist thugs? You do realise that those conflicts go both ways and Ukranian loyalists have been victims of violence as well? I didnt realise Russia had invaded Ukraine. care to provide some evidence? Russian troops were in Sevastopol before the 'referendum'. they have a naval base there as well as long standing contract that they could station up to 25,000 troops in Crimea, of which they did not transgress now about that evidence, got any? 25,000 troops in the naval base. Not occupying the government buildings or patrolling the Crimean border. It's funny the way you're demanding 'evidence' when you point blank refuse to ever provide any evidence to back up your claims. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-03/armed-soldier-outside-crimean-government-building/5294932Article depicts Russian soldier outside Crimean government building on March 3rd 2014. Referendum was held March 16th 2014.
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afromanGT wrote:ricecrackers wrote:afromanGT wrote:ricecrackers wrote:afromanGT wrote:Quote:do you remember the last time Germany engaged Russia in military conflict? how did that turn out? You do realise that was in the middle of winter in a heavily fortified Moscow where Russia had superior troop numbers? Quote:do you think Russia is the aggressor here Russian troops on non-russian soil. Yes, that much is bleedingly fucking obvious. Quote:do you realise that ethnic Russians are now being targeted by fascist thugs? You do realise that those conflicts go both ways and Ukranian loyalists have been victims of violence as well? I didnt realise Russia had invaded Ukraine. care to provide some evidence? Russian troops were in Sevastopol before the 'referendum'. they have a naval base there as well as long standing contract that they could station up to 25,000 troops in Crimea, of which they did not transgress now about that evidence, got any? 25,000 troops in the naval base. Not occupying the government buildings or patrolling the Crimean border. It's funny the way you're demanding 'evidence' when you point blank refuse to ever provide any evidence to back up your claims. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-03/armed-soldier-outside-crimean-government-building/5294932Article depicts Russian soldier outside Crimean government building on March 3rd 2014. Referendum was held March 16th 2014. firstly, that's a photograph. on its own it proves nothing. you dont know where it is and you dont know who that soldier is. regardless, your claim is completely wrong. the provision allows for up to 25,000 troops in Crimea. Anywhere in Crimea. even the CIA agrees with this. you have no idea, you're really quite stupid and again I expect you will lie again to try to save face.
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Quote:firstly, that's a photograph. on its own it proves nothing. you dont know where it is and you dont know who that soldier is. My mistake. Allow me to take you in my time machine to transport us all back to March 3rd on the steps of the Sevastopol parliament. Armed soliders storm Parliament on Feb 27th and you refuse to accept that these were Russian troops acting illegally. And I'm the idiot. It's amazing how you're always right and everyone else is always wrong. How do you get your head so far up your own ass? Quote: even the CIA agrees with this. US and EU deem Russian occupation illegalYup. Russian-Ukraine Treaty wrote:The Final Act obligates its signatories to "refrain…from the threat or use of force" against each other. According to the act, participating states "regard as inviolable one another's frontiers" and "will refrain now and in the future from assaulting those frontiers." They "will respect the territorial integrity of each of the participating states" and "will likewise refrain from making each other's territory the object of military occupation." In addition, the participating states agree to "refrain from any intervention, direct or indirect, in the internal or external affairs" of another participating state. Edited by afromanGT: 11/4/2014 12:19:57 AM
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afromanGT wrote:Quote:firstly, that's a photograph. on its own it proves nothing. you dont know where it is and you dont know who that soldier is. My mistake. Allow me to take you in my time machine to transport us all back to March 3rd on the steps of the Sevastopol parliament. Armed soliders storm Parliament on Feb 27th and you refuse to accept that these were Russian troops acting illegally. And I'm the idiot. It's amazing how you're always right and everyone else is always wrong. How do you get your head so far up your own ass? Quote: even the CIA agrees with this. US and EU deem Russian occupation illegalYup. Russian-Ukraine Treaty wrote:The Final Act obligates its signatories to "refrain…from the threat or use of force" against each other. According to the act, participating states "regard as inviolable one another's frontiers" and "will refrain now and in the future from assaulting those frontiers." They "will respect the territorial integrity of each of the participating states" and "will likewise refrain from making each other's territory the object of military occupation." In addition, the participating states agree to "refrain from any intervention, direct or indirect, in the internal or external affairs" of another participating state. Edited by afromanGT: 11/4/2014 12:19:57 AM you're a glutton for masochism. why do you do this to yourself continually i'll never know... there were no threats of force. the troops were moved in place to protect Russian bases. it was completely legal and your article proves nothing, its simply propaganda RT http://rt.com/news/russian-troops-crimea-ukraine-816/LA times http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/03/world/la-fg-wn-us-intelligence-russia-ukraine-20140303you mentioned Sevastopol, you do realise that the entire port of Sevastopol was already leased by Russia from the Ukraine? http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/.premium-1.576212you do realise that resultant from the violent revolution in Kiev that ousted a democratically elected government a law was hastily enacted that made Ukrainian the sole state language of Ukraine, despite the fact the majority of Crimea were Russian speaking? you knew that didnt you?
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thupercoach wrote:Putin has taken Russia back to its expansionist self of the mid-late 1800s. Putin just wants to bring back to Soviet Union and resume the Cold War with America. The guy hates America with a passion that rivals the Taliban's hatred for America. That was basically why shit went down with Georgia, to stop them from joining the EU and becoming "Americanized". The whole 'South Ossetia' situation was merely a convenience excuse, and Russia's timing was impeccable. Given they launched the invasion on the Beijing Olympics opening ceremony, when the whole world's eyes was on China, and not Russia. Sure, there had been a little bit of tension in the weeks and months leading up to it, and there's history between the two over the region, but nobody was really concerned. It was also ultra convenient that the majority of Georgia's best troops were over in Iraq fighting alongside the Americans. Massive similarities in regards to that with Ukraine. Recently, they've been making noises that they want to align themselves with the west, become a member of the EU, become bum chums with America. It's ultra-convenient that the Russian's have a naval base in Crimea, and that the majority of Crimean's are "ethnic Russian". Russia doesn't give a fuck about Crimea, in my opinion. They couldn't care if the majority of the civilians are "ethnic Russian", or hail from downtown Wellington. It's Vladamir Putin swinging his dick around, letting America, the West and Europe know that he's still there, and that he's not going to cop American imposing themselves on the states that surround the glorious Russian Federation. His warning recently that armed intervention into the riots in Eastern Ukraine would lead to civil war, would make his Christmases come early. He'll do exactly what he did in 2008, and in Crimea, and just move the troops in, under the guise of "protecting Russians, and Russian interests". The "world" is just more aware of it now than they were in 2008.
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Heineken wrote:thupercoach wrote:Putin has taken Russia back to its expansionist self of the mid-late 1800s. Putin just wants to bring back to Soviet Union and resume the Cold War with America. evidence?
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