Climate change: Fact or Fiction?


Climate change: Fact or Fiction?

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I only go on this thread to laugh at ricecrackers' stupidity.

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Arguing with climate change doomsayers is like arguing with religious fundamentalist nutters.

Pointless.
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batfink wrote:
is this argument

climate change vs climate change bough about my mans influence

because quite clearly there has always been climate change from the year dot...


brought about by man's influence of course. that's what we're being asked to pay for and feel guilty about
the only thing the masses should feel guilty about is gross ignorance that they're buying into this.

wouldnt be the first time profiteers profit on the back of ignorance by their victims

i've noticed its mainly the younger people who are duped because they havent experienced first hand enough variability in annual weather conditions. they see one hot summer and think its the end of the world.
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is this argument

climate change vs climate change bough about my mans influence

because quite clearly there has always been climate change from the year dot...
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Al Gore and Maurice Strong independently but both influenced by bad science from Roger Revelle who later backpedaled on his own theories
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So who was the creator of this propaganda machine?
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Roar #1 wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
RedKat wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
RedKat wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Fact

End thread.


proof?

there is none.

end thread.


Except the vast vast vast majority of scientific papers.

Yup shouldnt have bumped this. Its an issue that has fallen victim to its own certainty. Theres too much evidence that its become a political issue and the weight of the science has been lost to too many in the fact of people depiction the issue to suit their political gains (such as refuting it and going with the idiocy 'the science is 100% certain therefore its wrong' bullshit mantra)


scientific papers arent proof of anything
proof is proof and none of them provide it

you can come to any conclusion you want if the money is right


There is no Truth as such but proper scientific research as a collective is the closest thing to it. What is your actual problems with the scientific method that you wont trust it? And what do you propose as better than the scientific method at finding out about the world?


:lol: what else other then science could someone possibly use in their attempt to deny climate change? It's as close to a fact as your going to get.

And it's not like it's one paper saying it exists, it's thousands that come to the same conclusion.


and yet they do it without evidence
why do you think so much money is spent trying to convince us with paper after paper?

there are a some facts that cannot be denied
1. there is no significant warming taking place
2. there is no evidence linking human activity to warming.
3. there is no evidence linking human activity to climate change
4. when warming didnt happen you people changed the threat from global warming to climate change
5. there is no evidence that any climate change that might be occurring is any more dangerous than before
6. all your computer models are wrong. not slightly wrong, very wrong

on top of all this there are billions of dollars being spent on climate alarmist propaganda which is based on nothing and if you had any shred of scientific analysis ability in your brain you'd be able to deconstruct it and see it for the fraud that it is


I'm not a scientist but I can use common sense. The number of trees and forest covering the planet is at an all time low. The number of cars that emit toxic gases is at an all time high. The use of fossil fuels has never been higher. That to me sounds like it could be doing some damage.

I love a good conspiracy theory but this one I don't buy into because fighting against facts is just idiotic.


'common sense' ie dumb logic is what is being exploited in the ignorant masses
they'll dispense some dumb logic that sounds plausible to a layman and the laymen will believe it

its incredibly easy to do. one simply needs to point out two correlating instances and tell the layman they are related.

climate change alarmism is a gravy train financial bonanza for those who stand to benefit from the majority
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ricecrackers wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
RedKat wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
RedKat wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Fact

End thread.


proof?

there is none.

end thread.


Except the vast vast vast majority of scientific papers.

Yup shouldnt have bumped this. Its an issue that has fallen victim to its own certainty. Theres too much evidence that its become a political issue and the weight of the science has been lost to too many in the fact of people depiction the issue to suit their political gains (such as refuting it and going with the idiocy 'the science is 100% certain therefore its wrong' bullshit mantra)


scientific papers arent proof of anything
proof is proof and none of them provide it

you can come to any conclusion you want if the money is right


There is no Truth as such but proper scientific research as a collective is the closest thing to it. What is your actual problems with the scientific method that you wont trust it? And what do you propose as better than the scientific method at finding out about the world?


:lol: what else other then science could someone possibly use in their attempt to deny climate change? It's as close to a fact as your going to get.

And it's not like it's one paper saying it exists, it's thousands that come to the same conclusion.


and yet they do it without evidence
why do you think so much money is spent trying to convince us with paper after paper?

there are a some facts that cannot be denied
1. there is no significant warming taking place
2. there is no evidence linking human activity to warming.
3. there is no evidence linking human activity to climate change
4. when warming didnt happen you people changed the threat from global warming to climate change
5. there is no evidence that any climate change that might be occurring is any more dangerous than before
6. all your computer models are wrong. not slightly wrong, very wrong

on top of all this there are billions of dollars being spent on climate alarmist propaganda which is based on nothing and if you had any shred of scientific analysis ability in your brain you'd be able to deconstruct it and see it for the fraud that it is


I'm not a scientist but I can use common sense. The number of trees and forest covering the planet is at an all time low. The number of cars that emit toxic gases is at an all time high. The use of fossil fuels has never been higher. That to me sounds like it could be doing some damage.

I love a good conspiracy theory but this one I don't buy into because fighting against facts is just idiotic.
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chillbilly wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Fact

End thread.


proof?

there is none.

end thread.



nice pic
whats that supposed to prove?
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Roar #1 wrote:
RedKat wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
RedKat wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Fact

End thread.


proof?

there is none.

end thread.


Except the vast vast vast majority of scientific papers.

Yup shouldnt have bumped this. Its an issue that has fallen victim to its own certainty. Theres too much evidence that its become a political issue and the weight of the science has been lost to too many in the fact of people depiction the issue to suit their political gains (such as refuting it and going with the idiocy 'the science is 100% certain therefore its wrong' bullshit mantra)


scientific papers arent proof of anything
proof is proof and none of them provide it

you can come to any conclusion you want if the money is right


There is no Truth as such but proper scientific research as a collective is the closest thing to it. What is your actual problems with the scientific method that you wont trust it? And what do you propose as better than the scientific method at finding out about the world?


:lol: what else other then science could someone possibly use in their attempt to deny climate change? It's as close to a fact as your going to get.

And it's not like it's one paper saying it exists, it's thousands that come to the same conclusion.


and yet they do it without evidence
why do you think so much money is spent trying to convince us with paper after paper?

there are a some facts that cannot be denied
1. there is no significant warming taking place
2. there is no evidence linking human activity to warming.
3. there is no evidence linking human activity to climate change
4. when warming didnt happen you people changed the threat from global warming to climate change
5. there is no evidence that any climate change that might be occurring is any more dangerous than before
6. all your computer models are wrong. not slightly wrong, very wrong

on top of all this there are billions of dollars being spent on climate alarmist propaganda which is based on nothing and if you had any shred of scientific analysis ability in your brain you'd be able to deconstruct it and see it for the fraud that it is
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ricecrackers wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Fact

End thread.


proof?

there is none.

end thread.


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RedKat wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
RedKat wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Fact

End thread.


proof?

there is none.

end thread.


Except the vast vast vast majority of scientific papers.

Yup shouldnt have bumped this. Its an issue that has fallen victim to its own certainty. Theres too much evidence that its become a political issue and the weight of the science has been lost to too many in the fact of people depiction the issue to suit their political gains (such as refuting it and going with the idiocy 'the science is 100% certain therefore its wrong' bullshit mantra)


scientific papers arent proof of anything
proof is proof and none of them provide it

you can come to any conclusion you want if the money is right


There is no Truth as such but proper scientific research as a collective is the closest thing to it. What is your actual problems with the scientific method that you wont trust it? And what do you propose as better than the scientific method at finding out about the world?


:lol: what else other then science could someone possibly use in their attempt to deny climate change? It's as close to a fact as your going to get.

And it's not like it's one paper saying it exists, it's thousands that come to the same conclusion.
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tbitm wrote:


Edited by tbitm: 18/5/2014 07:54:11 PM


excellent post =d>
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Edited by tbitm: 18/5/2014 07:54:11 PM
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RedKat wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Fact

End thread.


proof?

there is none.

end thread.


Except the vast vast vast majority of scientific papers.

Yup shouldnt have bumped this. Its an issue that has fallen victim to its own certainty. Theres too much evidence that its become a political issue and the weight of the science has been lost to too many in the fact of people depiction the issue to suit their political gains (such as refuting it and going with the idiocy 'the science is 100% certain therefore its wrong' bullshit mantra)


scientific papers arent proof of anything
proof is proof and none of them provide it

you can come to any conclusion you want if the money is right
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RedKat wrote:
Im going to regret bumping this thread but this is too good not to post

[youtube]cjuGCJJUGsg[/youtube]
thing is it's actually higher than 97%. Of all the peer reviewed studies since 2012 something like 10833 of 10835 accept climate change.

To really make the debate more accurate, have 9998 scientists against 2. John Oliver would need a bigger studio first

This would be a pretty sweet solution though
http://www.latinpost.com/articles/12648/20140515/solar-panel-roads-electrical-engineer-introduces-new-powered-roadways.htm
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Roar #1 wrote:
Fact

End thread.


proof?

there is none.

end thread.
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Fact

End thread.
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notorganic wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
RedKat wrote:
Im going to regret bumping this thread but this is too good not to post

[youtube]cjuGCJJUGsg[/youtube]


Bill Nye? seriously?

:oops:


Them's fighting words.


At least he's more relevant than Bill Nighy...
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ricecrackers wrote:
RedKat wrote:
Im going to regret bumping this thread but this is too good not to post

[youtube]cjuGCJJUGsg[/youtube]


Bill Nye? seriously?

:oops:


Them's fighting words.
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RedKat wrote:
Im going to regret bumping this thread but this is too good not to post

[youtube]cjuGCJJUGsg[/youtube]


Bill Nye? seriously?

:oops:
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A frog will stay in gradually warming water until it is literally cooked because the temp increase is gradual and 'hot' is continually redefined.

We are the frog.
The gradually warming water is the gradually warming water (et al).

The question is what are YOU doing about it?
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I didn't edit anything.
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re-posting and editing quotes isn't proof of anything afroliar
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So as usual you've got no proof but I'm the liar.

If you can't take it don't dish it out.
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keep searching liar
you'll find you were the first
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You're right, the first insult was earlier. But it was still you. The only thing you know about class is being stuck in 4th grade.
afromanGT wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
Quote:
Take Australia for example, for one, transportation is exempt from the carbon tax.

The carbon tax is calculated on CO2 units, which isnt actual CO2 but greenhouse equivalent based on CO2.

So how do you tax an energy production industrial?

Transportation is exempt because automobiles vary too greatly in emissions and petrol usage. The petroleum companies are still subject to the taxes.

Personal transportation is completely separate to power companies.

Edited by afromanGT: 6/4/2014 02:12:13 PM


you've completely missed the point of my lengthy post.
i doubt you properly read it and i'm certain you didnt comprehend it.

nothing new for you, you've got form in this area

I stopped reading because every point you tried to make was wrong. For example:
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However, you cant calculate leakage of CH4, as its leakage.

So if a bottle is leaking from a hole I can't tell how much is leaking? If you know how much product you begin with and how much product you end with you know what the leakage is.


not if it occurs during the mining process you dope #-o

Sure they can. They calculate the approximate volume of the deposit before they start mining. Which is significantly easier with Gas than it is with Oil.

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afromanGT wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
afromanGT wrote:


"Oh, we're just going to mine this lethal shit out of the ground and not bother with any kind of safety procedures."



Firstly. You and ricecrackers are fucking pathetic. Grow up and stop sword fighting it's childish.

Secondly, extraction procedures generally aren't monitored. Santos alone has like 200 wells in QLD alone. They might send a bloke out there every once and a while to check out what's going on but that's about it.

There are standard procedures re. not killing drillers and offsiders but gas does leak out. It takes time to remove a drill head and cap the well.


what'd i do? he insulted me first (as usual), he deserves my response

ricecrackers wrote:
my god you are stupid

Sunday, April 06, 2014 2:48:21 PM


No. I didn't. You (As always) started with the insults first and then blame me.

Edited by afromanGT: 12/4/2014 06:52:21 PM


afroliar lying again i see :^o :^o :^o :^o :^o

There's unequivocal evidence that you instigated name calling, but I'm lying. Right.

Shit troll is shit.


Keep lying. You made it personal first by insulting me and you continually introduce obscenity into every discussion. I've returned serve with somewhat more class and now you're crying about it.
The simple fact here is that you're continually owned on all topics as you don't have a clue about anything. It makes you angry because you value your life on being self appointed 442 expert on all things when in fact you barely have any education or life experience at all. You're just an internet forum blow hard. 77000+ posts is a testimony to that.
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ricecrackers wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
afromanGT wrote:


"Oh, we're just going to mine this lethal shit out of the ground and not bother with any kind of safety procedures."



Firstly. You and ricecrackers are fucking pathetic. Grow up and stop sword fighting it's childish.

Secondly, extraction procedures generally aren't monitored. Santos alone has like 200 wells in QLD alone. They might send a bloke out there every once and a while to check out what's going on but that's about it.

There are standard procedures re. not killing drillers and offsiders but gas does leak out. It takes time to remove a drill head and cap the well.


what'd i do? he insulted me first (as usual), he deserves my response

ricecrackers wrote:
my god you are stupid

Sunday, April 06, 2014 2:48:21 PM


No. I didn't. You (As always) started with the insults first and then blame me.

Edited by afromanGT: 12/4/2014 06:52:21 PM


afroliar lying again i see :^o :^o :^o :^o :^o

There's unequivocal evidence that you instigated name calling, but I'm lying. Right.

Shit troll is shit.
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