I love a good graph

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/weekly.html

afroliar lying again i see :^o :^o :^o :^o :^o

No. I didn't. You (As always) started with the insults first and then blame me.

Edited by afromanGT: 12/4/2014 06:52:21 PM

here you go kids, latest piece of well funded alarmist propaganda to sink your teeth into

quality stuff

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Can you also help out the poor unwashed with some proper grammar and punctuation please. Us plebs need all the helps we can gitz bekuz we's a bit dumbish.

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The point is that there are hundreds of compliance requirements. The fact that they are on their websites is just to illustrate that they exist. I know you don't like to deal in facts but you know, it's kinda my thing.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/santos-coal-seam-gas-project-contaminates-aquifer-20140307-34csb.html (Pathetic fine but anyway.)

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/arrow-hit-with-40000-fine-for-breach/story-fn6ck2gb-1226078776279

http://www.miningaustralia.com.au/news/arrow-energy-fined-40-000-

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2011/5/25/smart-energy/arrow-energy-fined-qld-gas-leak

http://www.smh.com.au/business/coal-seam-gas-fine-taints-clean-claim-20120509-1yd31.html

I know, I know, this is only what they're telling us, how many incidents are going unreported blah blah, proves nothing etc...

the point still stands... leaked gas is not taxed as there is no accurate way to do it

if you people were serious about reducing greenhouse gases, you wouldnt mine natural gas in the first place or at the very least you would start to reduce it, rather than currently expand it

furthermore the trading scheme will achieve nothing on this front

if you want to reduce greenhouse gases you dont cap and trade... you cap

Do yourself a favour and posts references/links.

A lot of what you're saying is correct but you're dealing with Afro :lol:

I realise that, however there are others here that buy into his spin and lies because they dont know any better
for their education its important he is exposed

:lol: my bad forgot a zero! I flew to Charleville and saw a lot more than 200 on that flight path alone. We're doing a few ponds for Arrow out near Dalby (3hrs west of Brisbane) at the moment for some wells. I've also seen them doing exploration drilling out by Miles in the Surat basin as well. Literally hundreds of vehicles out in the middle of nowhere.

:lol: Having seen a few pilot holes for wells drilled before i'd be curious to see how 'strict' the government thinks they're being. They love to talk themselves up but whether they actually comply could be a different story.

When they do the automatic capping of wells, i'm curious as to where the 'captured gas' actually goes. Wouldn't exploration rigs have some kind of receiver for this gas which would be a real hazard?

as if they're going to say on their website that they're not complying :roll:

you're as bad as each other for continuing on the name calling and trying to prove you're smarter than one another.

You should know by now that Afro will never concede defeat, even when he's wrong :lol:

"conspiracy theorist" is a pejorative term used to describe people who believe that grey aliens walk among us, the illuminati control everything and several other far fetched fantasies.

to slap that label upon someone because they are not being duped by the unscientific climate change alarmist scam is a deliberate attempt to marginalise critically thinking skeptics as believers in all those other paranoid delusions.

Santos has a hell of a lot more than 200 wells in Qld. 2000 would not even be close. Origin, QG, Enerflex, Arrow have shitloads as well.

These wells are very strictly monitored. There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of pieces of legislation, laws, compliance systems, monitoring regimes, reporting obligations, automated well-head systems looking after all of this. Go to Origin or Santos's websites where they will only be too happy to tell you how they are bending over backwards to comply with the myriad of compliance requirements.

Perhaps some gas would leak out when you cap a well but you are talking about the minutest amount compared to what is left in the ground for extraction.

Here's just one document outlining mandatory requirements for wells. http://mines.industry.qld.gov.au/assets/petroleum-pdf/csg_code_of_practice.pdf

Here's one for leaks, detection and reporting. http://mines.industry.qld.gov.au/assets/petroleum-pdf/code_practice_well_leak_class.pdf

Here's all the legislation, standards and codes for onshore gas. http://www.gasfieldscommissionqld.org.au/resources/gasfields/standards-and-codes.pdf

There's hundreds of others.

So yeah, you're pretty right. They're all cowboys out there doing whatever they want without any oversight.




Edited by munrubenmuz: 7/4/2014 10:57:50 AM

what'd i do? he insulted me first (as usual), he deserves my response

"It's important to keep an open mind - but not so open your brain falls out."

[Quote attributed variously.]

If you believe that human induced climate change is a global scam, then by definition you do believe in a conspiracy theory. Because thats what it is, a theory of a conspiracy.

I'm not saying that believing in conspiracies is bad and I'm not saying you're wrong, but it is still a conspiracy theory.

Firstly. You and ricecrackers are fucking pathetic. Grow up and stop sword fighting it's childish.

Secondly, extraction procedures generally aren't monitored. Santos alone has like 200 wells in QLD alone. They might send a bloke out there every once and a while to check out what's going on but that's about it.

There are standard procedures re. not killing drillers and offsiders but gas does leak out. It takes time to remove a drill head and cap the well.

Wow. Your stupidity actually made my head hurt then.

self policing
fucking LOL

this has got nothing to do with safety you dope, this is about a greenhouse tax

you are stupid

The government doesn't have to when the companies are self policing. If there's a leak they HAVE to know when where and how much because mistakes in this industry kill people via gases exposed to flames, or simply through asphyxia. The idea that every stage of the process isn't carefully monitored to prevent such things is absolutely moronic.

"Oh, we're just going to mine this lethal shit out of the ground and not bother with any kind of safety procedures."

Fucking moron. And the nerve to call me stupid #-o

:oops: approximate volumes. you cannot be serious, what are you 14 or something?. my god you are stupid. i'm sorry, but you just are i have to call a spade a spade here.

even for midstream, do you really think the government is going to have a person monitoring gas inventory at every phase of the process?

because if you do then i have some land to sell you

Sure they can. They calculate the approximate volume of the deposit before they start mining. Which is significantly easier with Gas than it is with Oil.

not if it occurs during the mining process you dope #-o

I dont know. Too much time has passed and too much pollution has entered the discussion about it to know whats valid and what's not any more. Its too much of a waste of time to get involved.

The only thing I would say is the Saudis seemed to get off quite lightly (ie entirely) in the US response whilst a number of other non involved countries shouldered the burden.

I stopped reading because every point you tried to make was wrong. For example:

So if a bottle is leaking from a hole I can't tell how much is leaking? If you know how much product you begin with and how much product you end with you know what the leakage is.

So what's your view on 9/11. And please don't tell me a plane hit the pentagon.

You can probably guess my view from the above statement :d

you've completely missed the point of my lengthy post.
i doubt you properly read it and i'm certain you didnt comprehend it.

nothing new for you, you've got form in this area

i dont believe in conspiracy theories, i believe in facts and reality
the world is full of scams

all profit is based on the profiteer knowing something the loss maker doesnt. thats reality and this is an example of it.

the knowledge gap is exploited in all walks of life to derive such profit