Nor did you say "I think there are better drummers" or "There's better drummers IMO."
You said it as if it were fact, simple because it's what you think.

Hm, like how you only focused on one part of my post there?

So, I will repeat it for you. And just to make sure you don't get confused, I'll make it really clear:

CharliePantou wrote:

Er, so he's under-rated, because someone else is shit and he's average?

Edited by CharliePantou: 29/1/2009 05:32:55 PM

:roll: Come on Ladies,handbags away.Like Perry Farrell says (who's Jane's Addiction drummer is a god I might add) "Everybody has their own opinion."Anyone who has played(sorry afro)drums or guitar live will appreciate Peligro's almost Funk/Jazz/Punk style.Master of the high-hats.And East Bay Ray...guitar god.Just my opinion though..for the record he's no-where near the best,not that that was implied..

Edited by jazzmaster: 29/1/2009 05:37:32 PM

It goes like this; I say dk isn't that good.
people go "who's better?"
I list a couple of drummers.
You tell me none of them are that special because they don't do anything more than keep the beat.I say there are plenty of drummers that lose the beat and aren't that special and that Schneider is good, along with others. Dk wasn't a bad drummer, but he wasn't that special. And there are lots of even more underrated rummers out there.

Watching them now, I haven't noticed anything, but if you say so.

No one asked you to list better drummers. You decided to continue to enforce your opinion on others by going 'well this drummer, and this drummer, is more under rated'.

That's how it should go.

But instead it goes:

Peligro emotes that he idolises DH.
You say there ARE better (not as opinion, as a matter of fact)
You then name random drummers who YOU like
Then get confused when people debate YOUR choices

So there's hypocrisy number 1.

Then you say that CS is under-rated; because he's average and others are worse - which is just plain stupid. Being "less-bad" than someone else does not make you good.
And you are the one who originally implied that he's good because he's "less-bad"!

Do you think that you can ever JUST have an opinion, and maybe, JUST MAYBE, if someone doesn't agree with what YOU think (shock! horror!), then just ACCEPT IT?

I think it was the track after Hysteria.

I'm nto a Black Sabbath fan. I don't like Bill Ward. He was incredibly underrated as a musician though.

Where did I say he was average. He does what he has to do. He's creative when he plays live. He does what he does very well. He plays with fireworks. And then there's tracks like Adios that are just brilliant.

Ironic you were just talking about hypicrisy...

Er...now that's an oxymoron. Or just plain moronic. You just said he's NOT average, and justified that by DEFINING FUCKING AVERAGE!



So, he does what's expected of his role, and exactly what most other drummers do?

Ahhh...looks like I just found where you said he's average!

Edited by CharliePantou: 29/1/2009 05:58:31 PM

I have never once disputed your opinion in here, just said that you can't state them as facts.
So when you're looking up average and oxymoron from above, have a glance at hypocrisy as well. Oh...and it will help it you spell it correctly this time ;)

Super Massive Blackhole?

Tbh, I think it just seems like that because that's the way Muse play, a lot of time changes, a lot of off-beat rhythms. Listen to the track Assassin and tell me that's not some incredible drum work though.

Yeah, just ignore the other three sentences tacked onto the end of that that make the statement make more sense just because it supports your argument #-o#-o Misquoted much?

I don't recall stating anything as a fact. A fact would need some kind of statistic connected to it to prove the point.

Oh for fucks sake. Are you so desperate for any kind of argument that you'll harp on a typographical error??

Er, are you blind? It's the way in which you say it. If I say that grass is green, do I need to attach a stat to make it fact?

That's because it's commonly accepted.
Are you telling me that you're arguing over something that's commonly accepted?

Fellas, fellas, that's quite enough.

The best drummer is Bernard Purdie. And you can't argue that, as it's a scientific fact.

Dude, listen.

I'm a bit sick of it now. You are clearly too thick for anything to sink in to you; in fact I think you're so thick that you are actually covinced that you ARE right all these times.

You're going to keep arguing, even when you are in a corner with your back to the wall, and even if EVERY person on these forums proves you wrong, you still won't accept it.

I'm not sure if you honestly believe you are that much better than everyone else, because surely nobody can be so pig-headed; but it certainly seems that way.

Basically what I'm saying is there is no point arguing with someone who doesn't know when they have lost.

Continue thinking you're a cut above, Afro.
Because nobody is tired of that yet...8-[

You better check if Afro agrees first...if he doesn't, apparently it's not fact/a worthy opinion.

Oh, and I feel out of place being on topic, but the way Spurs played in the first half yesterday really filled me with confidence...it was good to see the lads believing in themselves again.

It's the first time in a long while that we stayed on the attack after scoring, and it really payed off. I feel like I'm repeating myself here, but Modric was fuycking superb.

Haha I love the guy. And I really reckon we should be starting Lennon almost every week. His pace on the wing when we are attacking tests out almost every defence in the league. Much better than playing a left winger with the sole purpose of closing down a right winger (read O'Hara), unless you're playing Man U

Exactly. I'm always hesitant to read too much into a good performance, but when we had Lennon cutting in on the left and Bentley doing good things on the right we looked fantastic.With Palacios anchoring the midfield let's hope we can deal with Bolton, in the position we're in at the moment 2 straight wins will have us looking in much better shape on the ladder.

Tottenham are preparing a £20m bid for Blackburn striker Roque Santa Cruz. (Daily Mirror)

Wouldn't mind that extra striker too...allowing us to offload Bent.

A legit LB as well...I'm a big fan of Bale, and he does good things going forward...but he's got a way to go as a defender. And I dunno if BAE cuts the mustard. Maybe Chimbonda now can kinda fill the role...assuming that Corluka plays on the right. Ideally I'd have the backline of:

LB (Baines?)--Woodgate--King--Corluka

though I do realise how unlikely it is that King will EVER be fit again :p

We should have gone Podolski tbh, but now that's off the table, I'd prefer a move for Fred to RSC. Surely Fred would be cheaper, and better value for money as well?

Best session drummer. I remember listening to a jam he did with Louis Armstrong, it was nuts.

That man crush comes to the fore? Everton wouldnt' sell Baines.
Spurs should take what they can get and work with Bale more, he's got the potential there. Sign a decent CB to cover for King never being fit and they're looking a lot more solid.

Lennon on the left is an intersting prospect and it will be good to see how taht develops, I can see him cutting inside a lot?

RSC obviously is going to carry a high price tag, but he's a proven performer. Fred would probably struggle with the physicality a little and teams should have taken a much longer look at Podolski tbh.

I wouldn't call Santa Cruz a proven performer. He never did it in the Bundesliga, had a great debut season in the prem and this season has been average. Priority shouldn't be striker anymore, unless cheap like Fred.

Like I said, spurs need a consistant performer for down back. But as if they wouldn't take a striker if there was one going. I half expected them to move for Saviola tbh.

Na, Arry said he wanted players who can fight in a relegation scrap, and as good as Saviola is, he's not one for that.

I would have thought that Saviola was of sufficient class as to live Spurs above a potential relegation scrap tbh.
If he wants players who can scrap out a relegation battle...Konchesky et al who were at westham when they were looking to stay up. Sidwell would be a good choice too.

Well I think Palacios is the type of player who can help us out, and he's a cut and a half above Sidwell.