Nicely put. Pretty much my take on the whole thing. Especially your last sentence.

If I was given the choice of spending the rest of my life behind bars or the death penalty, I would chose death (I would like to think I would choose that way anyways).

People inject their own drugs and are therefore responsible for their own deaths. I think the sentencing for violent crimes like pedophilia, rape and murder is too lenient in Australia (Adrian Bailey who had raped several times before killing Jill Meagher is a good example) but drug smuggling/trafficking is a non-violent crime and these crimes do not require life sentences. Drugs in society are a social and health problem, not a criminal one. The way you deal with drug problems is through harm minimisation strategies and education and social support services. These measures are not "sexy" though. They don't make the population's "dick's hard" like lining up 9 people and shooting them in the middle of the night.

As Pala said, good to see Indonesia's drug problem fixed literally overnight. Congratulations.

Meanwhile, they executed a man who suffers from schizophrenia and who may not have truly understood what was happening to him. A truly abhorrent act.

looks like "P3do" has been censored in my above post. Hopefully people understand what I was trying to write! Not just philia. lol

I guess the words Seb Ryall is off limits too:lol:

I respect and agree with most of your post, especially regarding drugs being "a social and health problem", though I humbly disagree with you on the "not a criminal one".

As for whether drug smuggling/trafficking is/should be classed as non violent or not? The act in itself is not violent one can easily argue. That said, it isn't an act that acts on its own. There are so many other players involved from gang wars, political & rival assassinations, drug dependency/abuse, drug related deaths etc, etc, etc that it can't be an action taken with the narrow view of a crime on its own.

Now as to whether or not people should be killed for crimes (whatever the crime is) isn't my call. If a state has the rule in place for said crime then be wise and not commit said crime. It really is that simple. If you do choose to do the crime and end up getting caught, then you (and unfortunately your family/loved ones) only have you to blame.

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never understood why this word is banned on most forums.
its not like the actual offenders are going to be using that as a search term.

not being allowed to use to the word actually protects them from being called out.

anyway, off topic, carry on...

Edited by ricecrackers: 29/4/2015 04:03:55 PM

A barbaric act that has achieved nothing, well done Widodo.

Portugal is a great example of how a managed decriminalisation of drugs can lead to far better outcomes for society than costly legal processes and/or capital punishment/imprisonment under criminal law. This coupled with shifting the problem from the Justice System to the Ministry of Health as well as raising the overall welfare systems are proven tools for tackling drug problems.

However, it takes a leader and government with a lot of foresight to be able to implement such a solution.

there's more money to be made by keeping drugs illegal
they're a major component of the economy such that a few EU countries even include it in their fiscal reporting now

Absolutely. I could be wrong, but I believe Switzerland also has a program similar to that of Portugal.

choke-o widildo

and that one, ladies and gents, earns me the rest of the day off.

people quickly forget that these 2 were ringleaders of drug peddling and coerced the others into drug muling by threats to their families. i agree death penalty is harsh but Lefties make out like they were angels

I despise the term leftie. I dont consider myself one and I abhor the death penalty.A eye for an eye doesnt help anyone and the drug problem in indonesia will get worse. The whole execution was wododo saying to australia I am not a pushover.

too late now regardless. Compensation won't mean much to these 9 families.

Wouldn't have been such a big issue if they had been executed when they were caught 10 years ago

The way people are putting the two of them on pedestals is disgraceful

I dont think anyone is putting them on a pedestal. I think people are angry for the fact these two men were changed men . Under the last president he communted a lot of death sentences due to the fact he knew it didnt deter anything.

do u know what a leftie is?

Yes and I am not one. I dont condone what they did but state sanction is still murder. I have my reasons why I dont agree with it and I wont go into detail as ive posted about numeorus times. An eye for an eye doesnt fix anything

I've seen a fair few people calling them "heroic in their final days" and that we could learn from their behaviour, but that just might be looking at different outlets

I do agree that an eye for an eye is rubbish, but this case has been given too much airtime in the media and attention on social media when there are actual tragedies happening in the world that are not getting the attention they deserve

Cigarettes & alcohol are both legalised & many people die of cigarettes & alcohol related issues everyday, who do we blame there the government or the people who put those things into their bodies?

It is illegal for women to watch football in some countries, who is wrong the women or the law?

I don't agree with capital punishment. One reason is because of the possibility of innocence, another is where do we have the right to murder someone, the list goes on, though I could be swayed by child sex offenders and Jihadist .

Having said that, For drug traffickers the law in Indonesia is clear, its the death penalty, those two got given that penalty by a court of law in that country and exhausted every legal avenue in an attempt to have it overturned.

Doesn't matter if we agree or not, it's their law and their country, its none of our business how they structure their laws nor do we have the right to demand they change them or show leniency just because we don't like it.

Further more , I believe the Abbott ( wish Costello was still there) Government are only making matters worse by recalling our Ambassador, whats the point, there is none and no benefit will come of it. we are the ones in the wrong here not them. We tell people who come here, live by our laws or leave, same goes for them.

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This is not a left or right issue. It's an issue with authoritarianism.

do you support Australia's intervention in Iraq? or the continued intervention in Afghanistan?
what about the earlier intervention in East Timor?

any of the above?

Spot on.

yes you are right morally but in terms of the state they are the ones who decide what is right and wrong.
i could also argue that mcdonalds and kfc are bad because they people fat and obese. theres a million ways of looking at it. but this is in an environment where some of the bali 9 were forced against their will to cooperate....which is basically extortion

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Between Socawho, BrisbaneBhoy & yourself, you lot have posted some extremely ignorant posts.

Just because a state makes the law does not mean its right.

I assume you guys would've sat on your hands and watched The Holocaust unfold and sprout similar garbage, because hey it was the law. :roll:

Well this is exactly right. Crackers touched on aspects above and you've knocked it out of the park.

If only I lived in the black and white parallel universe these blokes inhabit.