iiNet loses Dallas Buyers Club landmark piracy case


iiNet loses Dallas Buyers Club landmark piracy case

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WaMackie wrote:
So this is what you get when you let MetaData Laws through, well done Australia, you feel asleep on this one, and didn’t stand up for your Civil Rights and Privacy.


Lol. While the Metadata laws suck they have nothing to do with this case.
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That is all
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damonzzzz wrote:
WaMackie wrote:
So this is what you get when you let MetaData Laws through, well done Australia, you feel asleep on this one, and didn’t stand up for your Civil Rights and Privacy.


Lol. While the Metadata laws suck they have nothing to do with this case.

It's all related.
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notorganic wrote:
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So this is what you get when you let MetaData Laws through, well done Australia, you feel asleep on this one, and didn’t stand up for your Civil Rights and Privacy.


Lol. While the Metadata laws suck they have nothing to do with this case.

It's all related.


Thats what Walter White said: "there are so many layers involving this, Skyler."

Im not sure who the Nick Nailer (thank you for smoking) is of this whole scenario is, is it the pro-downloader or anti-downloader playing devil's advocate?
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This is why you always protect your torrents and general online behaviour. Luddite judges who don't understand technology aren't going to protect you from outlandish lawsuits like this.


I find it staggering people who think something that ought be consumed for free is going to be commercially beneficial for content producers. Have you consumed how utterly asinine that line of thinking is? That the best way to raise revenue is to impose no cost? I can't wait till Ferrari starts giving away their cars for free, their customer base would increase by 1,000,000% overnight.


Except making comparisons between high class cars and downloading a $20 movie is just as asinine.

Think of it similar to music. A band today practically gives their music away for you to use for your own entertainment. You love it so much that you become a follower of them.

They come to your home town and you pay to see them live
They release merchandise and you pay to wear it
They release "bootleg" or "sample" copies of their CD's and you pay to download it
They release it on vinyl and you pay to hear it as it was naturally recorded
They cross-promote other bands and side projects that you may enjoy

Netflix has done a fantastic job in charging us not a lot for access to unlimited television. But it's not the movie or the TV show we are buying, it's the Netflix brand. Make the consumer love your company by giving away the content they needed to hook them in and they will be your bitch forever.

As for this story, there is so much Napster to this. Hopefully it just sees more ways of sharing files like music and movies without having to spend half your wage to consume it


I'm not sure what your point is. The music band today can do all of those things and still charge for individual songs or CD's. Not everyone who uses the music for their own entertainment buys band merchandise or goes to concerts, their consumption represents a loss for the content producers.

I can understand if you're a nobody band who's trying to get a foot in the door, electing to give away their music for free, because it will enable them to build exposure which may generate revenue streams, but if you're an established band then you have a legal and commercial right to charge for products you create. If you can't afford such products then perhaps you're better off not buying them rather than stealing.

Of course Netflix has been available in the US for a very long time but illegal downloads are still off the charts, so the notion that cheap (a relative term), accessible content is going to end piracy is false.
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rusty wrote:
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I downloaded DBC just after moving into my current place and later found out our internet connection hadn't been set up at that stage, we'd been leaching off the previous tenants who hadn't cancelled their account yet. It'll be interesting to see whether or not they get a letter sent here.
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Great movie though.
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pv4 wrote:
Great movie though.

Kinda fitting that it's about a citizen smuggling a product into a country where it was available but too expensive.
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notorganic wrote:
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Great movie though.

Kinda fitting that it's about a citizen smuggling a product into a country where it was available but too expensive.


:lol:


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pv4 wrote:
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Great movie though.

Kinda fitting that it's about a citizen smuggling a product into a country where it was available but too expensive.


:lol:


Lol.
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Let the fallout from MetaData and this Dallas film case begin!

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/hypocritical-film-and-tv-companies-have-been-ripping-off-consumers-for-years-says-labor-mp-ed-husic-20150408-1mgnry.html
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Fast and furious 7 (which is by the way a terrible movie) has so far been illegally downloaded over 2.59 million times, despite only being in the cinemas for a few days. This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Of course people don't really believe such nonsense these are just the silly things people think up to rationalise their illegal downloading and externalise blame onto content providers.
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This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy.


Cheap at a cinema in Australia? lol.
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paladisious wrote:
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:lol:
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macktheknife wrote:
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This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy.


Cheap at a cinema in Australia? lol.


I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand.

Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement.

Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM
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Definitely related to meta data laws

One of the main reasons they were introduced. Terrorism was just to get you to agree to them.

...And if you think this is a Liberal or Labor thing then think again...

You're both guilty of this breach of civil liberty muppets


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notorganic wrote:
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This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy.


Cheap at a cinema in Australia? lol.


I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand.

Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement.

Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM

At Southbank in Brisbane you get your ticket, large drink an popcorn combo for $15. Unreal value compared to other places.
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rusty wrote:
Fast and furious 7 (which is by the way a terrible movie) has so far been illegally downloaded over 2.59 million times, despite only being in the cinemas for a few days. This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Of course people don't really believe such nonsense these are just the silly things people think up to rationalise their illegal downloading and externalise blame onto content providers.

Fast and Furious 7 has already grossed over $400 million. Would dispel your dud theory that the poor movie companies need protecting.
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rusty wrote:
Fast and furious 7 (which is by the way a terrible movie) has so far been illegally downloaded over 2.59 million times, despite only being in the cinemas for a few days. This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Of course people don't really believe such nonsense these are just the silly things people think up to rationalise their illegal downloading and externalise blame onto content providers.


Yeah, nah.

I would rather wait for the blu ray release than watch a low bit rate cam source.
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99 Problems wrote:
notorganic wrote:
macktheknife wrote:
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This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy.


Cheap at a cinema in Australia? lol.


I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand.

Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement.

Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM

At Southbank in Brisbane you get your ticket, large drink an popcorn combo for $15. Unreal value compared to other places.


Yeah my local cinemas went to $8.50 for adult tickets and $6.50 for kids. Awesome move by them. They charge through the roof for food and drinks, but they openly say they won't stop you bringing your own in. So pack the lollies from Woolies, grab a $1 frozen coke from HJs/Maccas, and you're looking at a movie with treats for less than $15.

It also helps that I have two friends working at the place, so get free tickets anyway :lol::lol::lol:
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99 Problems wrote:
rusty wrote:
Fast and furious 7 (which is by the way a terrible movie) has so far been illegally downloaded over 2.59 million times, despite only being in the cinemas for a few days. This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Of course people don't really believe such nonsense these are just the silly things people think up to rationalise their illegal downloading and externalise blame onto content providers.

Fast and Furious 7 has already grossed over $400 million. Would dispel your dud theory that the poor movie companies need protecting.


The point stands that making content cheap and accessible (eg Netflix) won't defeat internet piracy, when something can be obtained immediately and for free.
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Griffindinho wrote:
rusty wrote:
Fast and furious 7 (which is by the way a terrible movie) has so far been illegally downloaded over 2.59 million times, despite only being in the cinemas for a few days. This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy. Of course people don't really believe such nonsense these are just the silly things people think up to rationalise their illegal downloading and externalise blame onto content providers.


Yeah, nah.

I would rather wait for the blu ray release than watch a low bit rate cam source.


So would I, but there are so far 2.59 million folks who disagree with us. Keep in mind this figure will only explode, when better quality version are made available for download.
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This dispels notors dud theory that content that is cheap and accessible (ie Netflix) will defeat internet piracy.


Cheap at a cinema in Australia? lol.


Exactly. People aren't going to merrily wait six months for their favourite movie to come to Netflix.
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notorganic wrote:


I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand.

Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement.

Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM


Sure it might somewhat reduce illegal downloads, but despite content being made cheap and accessible (i.e. Netflix) illegal download will continue to occur in large volumes. Your argument that cheap accessible content will bring an end to the piracy industry is plain wrong.

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rusty wrote:
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I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand.

Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement.

Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM


Sure it might somewhat reduce illegal downloads, but despite content being made cheap and accessible (i.e. Netflix) illegal download will continue to occur in large volumes. Your argument that cheap accessible content will bring an end to the piracy industry is plain wrong.

Saying the same thing over and over like it's a fact does not make it a fact.

The huge uptake of Netflix alone (iinet were crediting Netflix for 15% of their total bandwidth a week after Netflix Australia launched) is proof in itself that people will pay for content when it is a) affordable and b) easily accessible.

It is a proven strategy that you continue to wilfully ignore. https://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20130723/12235723906/two-new-reports-confirm-best-way-to-reduce-piracy-dramatically-is-to-offer-good-legal-alternatives.shtml
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ricecrackers wrote:
Definitely related to meta data laws

One of the main reasons they were introduced. Terrorism was just to get you to agree to them.

...And if you think this is a Liberal or Labor thing then think again...

You're both guilty of this breach of civil liberty muppets


Brilliant post.
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notorganic wrote:
rusty wrote:
notorganic wrote:


I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand.

Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement.

Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM


Sure it might somewhat reduce illegal downloads, but despite content being made cheap and accessible (i.e. Netflix) illegal download will continue to occur in large volumes. Your argument that cheap accessible content will bring an end to the piracy industry is plain wrong.

Saying the same thing over and over like it's a fact does not make it a fact.

The huge uptake of Netflix alone (iinet were crediting Netflix for 15% of their total bandwidth a week after Netflix Australia launched) is proof in itself that people will pay for content when it is a) affordable and b) easily accessible.

It is a proven strategy that you continue to wilfully ignore. https://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20130723/12235723906/two-new-reports-confirm-best-way-to-reduce-piracy-dramatically-is-to-offer-good-legal-alternatives.shtml


A lot of people purchased Netflix without really understanding how shit it is.
I lived in the UK a few years ago, and we had Netflix. The content is huge, and you'll never run out of things to watch, but that doesn't necessarily make it any good. OITNB and HoC are really the only "top shelf" programming they gave. I know a few people, who I admit are dim (mostly due to being 'older') who thought it would give them access to any TV show, because thats how its portrayed in the media.

I agree that we are simply going to see an upturn in the use of VPNs now.

IPVanish even just put an 'Australia Sale' on, cheeky bastards.
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Anyone recommend a VOD website with the best new release movie library?

Searching netflix and they have fuck all.
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roary's mane wrote:
notorganic wrote:
rusty wrote:
notorganic wrote:


I just had a look at my local cinemas website, if I took my wife and kid to see FnF tomorrow in the middle of the day it would cost me just under $60 before going anywhere near the confection stand.

Rusty's strawman (as usual) example does nothing to dispel an already proven strategy to minimise media copyright infringement.

Edited by notorganic: 9/4/2015 12:10:37 AM


Sure it might somewhat reduce illegal downloads, but despite content being made cheap and accessible (i.e. Netflix) illegal download will continue to occur in large volumes. Your argument that cheap accessible content will bring an end to the piracy industry is plain wrong.

Saying the same thing over and over like it's a fact does not make it a fact.

The huge uptake of Netflix alone (iinet were crediting Netflix for 15% of their total bandwidth a week after Netflix Australia launched) is proof in itself that people will pay for content when it is a) affordable and b) easily accessible.

It is a proven strategy that you continue to wilfully ignore. https://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20130723/12235723906/two-new-reports-confirm-best-way-to-reduce-piracy-dramatically-is-to-offer-good-legal-alternatives.shtml


A lot of people purchased Netflix without really understanding how shit it is.
I lived in the UK a few years ago, and we had Netflix. The content is huge, and you'll never run out of things to watch, but that doesn't necessarily make it any good. OITNB and HoC are really the only "top shelf" programming they gave. I know a few people, who I admit are dim (mostly due to being 'older') who thought it would give them access to any TV show, because thats how its portrayed in the media.

I agree that we are simply going to see an upturn in the use of VPNs now.

IPVanish even just put an 'Australia Sale' on, cheeky bastards.

Calling it shit is a huge overstatement.

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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