Fair play. I asked the question with a view to starting another thread :lol:

Just read this thread and the transperacy one .... All the question there but FFA won't provide answers.
Waiting for 6 months on concrete answer to who monitors overseas based players since Craig Moore
Left?, just one example.

Just read this thread and the transperacy one .... All the question there but FFA won't provide answers.
Waiting for 6 months on concrete answer to who monitors overseas based players since Craig Moore
Left?, just one example.

Let's see if they release the report on U17 World Cup and the development objectives achieved for the CoE players .... My guess no chance it will be swept under the carpet and another generation slaves to existing structure.

German FA have informed football community a full report will be available in 2-3 weeks so that weaknesses can be addressed and strengths improved on..... That's call evolution .... Oh and the review is performed by external consultants to the German FA , not like us where Peter de roo is probably writing the report

Interesting idea.


ust remember these facts though.

*The under Oz under 17s finished in the last 16 of the World Cup.

*Australia won the Asian Cup at senior level.

*The Matildas finished in the last 8 of the senior World Cup.



These facts are immutable. Importantly they have all occurred this year. FFA must be doing something right.:)

Edited by Decentric: 6/11/2015 10:23:49 AM

Surely you'd swap Edwards with DDS, and Pain for Ikon.

So does the fact that Nigeria have made the final change anyone's view on the Joeys result.

Some people on here couldn't deal with the fact that we lost to a 3rd world country.

I on the other hand said to wait and see if they made the final so we could put our result into context.

Well unsurprisingly here we are.

Both Mali and Nigeria are in the final, first all african final since 85 i think.

I guess it puts perspective given we drew with Mexico whilst they conceded 4 goals against Nigeria, does this make Mexico bad well? ;)

It shows making the second round is a good effort given the difficulty of playing a strong team against Nigeria in their last match how surprior they are to the rest of the teams, but the skeptics would still find some excuses that we should've do better....



Edited by Barca4life: 6/11/2015 07:12:31 PM

Nigeria beat Brazil 3-0, Brazilian football forums must be in melt down :lol:

There is a distinct tone of western superiority on here and in the football community in general in Australia. You see it all the time during AFC qualifying.

Mali and NIgeria make the final ?

Im sure munrubenmuz is about to come and tell us european and south american football is in crisis

I would rather these facts
How many back passes to the keeper
How many times played out from the back
how many passes back to the player who passed to you
How many passes under 15m
How many passes over 15M
How many passes from with in and in the opponents penalty are
How many unforced loss of possession.
How long did it take to regain possession
how many times was there at least 2 free players with in 15m, available to receive a pass from the ball carrier.
How many passes between the backs.

These in comparison with Germany, France, Belgium or Spain should tell the story with out bullshit about not fit not skillful or not old enough.

So you are saying results matter in youth football ?. If so then look at the joeys last 8 games. 2 wins, 2 draws and 4 smashings.
Not to mention we haven't played nice football, even vidmar admitted that.

Reaching the final 16 is great. However, that doesn't mean that there isn't room for approval. Asking for analysis and review of games/tournaments isn't calling for scrapping of the current system. Even criticizing the current system isn't calling for it to be binned. We had some great passages in this tournament, but we were lacking in some areas, I think that that is something even you must admit. Getting walloped 6-0, even if they end up champions, isn't something we should just take with a shrug, not if we want to become serious contenders one day.

For Christ sake, this is ridiculous. There isn't some agenda to put down these players.

So what if Nigeria is awesome. We were shit against them AND AGAINST OTHER SIDES AS WELL. We have a NC. We did NOT play according to the ethos of that curriculum.

There's a sheer lack of accountability and transparency. People actually make excuses for this, too. That beggars belief.

For evidence, I go by what I see before me.

I saw that Australia played truly shit against Germany, Nigeria and against Mexico (for a half). I didn't see the match against the Argies but the reports didn't make for nice reading.

What I saw was that Australia was shit-house for the majority of both those matches and that, with about one or two exceptions, our players looked seriously seriously unfit, untalented, unathletic (unathletic compared to German and Mexican sides, too, not just Africans).

There's no excuse for having fitness levels of which my grandmother would be proud. Yet there are excuses made for this.

To make matters worse, people are misinterpreting philosophy pertaining to the technical and tactical sides of the game and simply suggesting that fitness doesn't matter.

Then to make matters worse, levels of graciousness dropped to unbelievable lows. People started spouting crap about the Nigerians being age cheats and only winning because they're stronger and (allegedly) bigger. It makes me ashamed to be from Australia to read that tripe. It totally ignores the TECHNICALLY SUPERIOR FOOTBALL WHICH NIGERIA PLAYED COMPARED TO AUSTRALIA.

Basically, what has happened is we played crap, got out of the group by fluke, got thrashed by a very good side.

Everybody keeps their job, no questions are asked, no independent review.

Great stuff Australia. Keep being a backwater plagued by incompetence, insecurity and inflated sense of self-worth.

Edited by quickflick: 6/11/2015 10:55:57 PM

Great post quick flick . Decentric is now focused on SELECTIVE results, well then maybe he can explain
Joeys form over the past year. Olyrooos losing 4 out of there last five games. Young socceroos getting smashed 4 nil by Japan and scrapping in to AFC. Now that we are soley focused on results the past year of results for all out national youth teams is POOR.

The results picture is not to pretty so maybe we should revert to style of play.... Haha.

Why not get a independent review and release details to all...... Transparency is vital to progress forward

That is not to suggest the lads didn't try their hearts out. As I have said, it was clear Kye Rowles was fighting tooth and nail to the death. That is very commendable.

There were passages of play when the Joeys had MEANINGFUL possession for protracted periods of play.

Again, that's what we want to see.

What is concerning are inability to maintain consistency for longer, poor technique for too long, poor first touch, poor defensive organisation and decision-making, toothlessness up front, a lack of speed and agility from too many players, a lack of 1 vs 1 ability from too many players (save Derrick, really, although Armenakas and Arzani showed glimpses), lack of squad rotation and at the fact that one of the best technicians and quickest players spent almost the whole tournament on the bench.

This is what worries me.

This is not the lads' fault. Kudos to them for their hard work.

But it means that at an administrative level, there are problems which are not being addressed and, more worrying still, for which excuses are made.

Why are we defensive? Why can we not have transparency and accountability? Why? Why? Why? Do we want the Stasi or something?

=d>

=d>

We should
also examine closely the coaching influences in these players development from U8s on. I know it would not be easy but it would clear the way to finding the truth behind their tactical and technical education.There would be video footage.

Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Portugal, England and Holland didn't make the final either.

Would there be be consternation in those countries about it?

What I'm saying is that overall in Australia we are not travelling too badly. We also have a system of how we want teams to play, based on successful teams at senior level. It may be more difficult long term to play in a prescribed way.

To get a bunch of supremely fit athletes and knocking some long balls over the top, may even be better for short term results given the inconsistency of 16 and 17 year olds. Long term it may not be beneficial for a nation's senior team though.

When Craig Foster discussed his under 16 team doing well in a previous World Cup, I only recognised him and Paul Trimboli who went on to play senior Socceroo football.



As a corollary to my previous post, how have our major Asian competitors South Korea and Japan performed relative to us in this campaign?

Of course there will be reviews of any tournament with Australia evaluating what we need to do better.

Brazil and Argentina haven't performed as well as they would like in this Under 17s WC. I didn't see Brazil play, but Argentina relied on physicality. Their skill was not what we have come to expect from previous teams.



Edited by Decentric: 7/11/2015 11:25:51 AM

In terms of the Aussie under 23s I find it astonishing that Brandon Borello is the HAL 's current top goal scorer in a team second from the top of the ladder and he is not in the under Australian 23s.:?

The same with Brandon O'Neill playing for the senior SFC team who are top of the HAL ladder. He is also not in the Olyroos team.:?

Someone told me before that Borello is not in the Olyroos because he is young enough for the under 20s. What about Da Silva, who wasn't playing as major a role as Borello currently is for Brisbane when he was in the HAL?




Edited by Decentric: 7/11/2015 09:32:52 AM

Its a good yard stick

The other saving grace is that when the Aussie under 17s get into HAL programs, fitness is a massive issue because the HAL is played at a very fast tempo. Hopefully not to the extent that football athletes, like in the past in Oz, have been more highly valued than footballers.

There is no doubt that the Malinese and Nigerian football teams were good. But to actually study their methods may not assist us improve to become a better football nation.

Then again, maybe it could.

it not to study them but find our failings

Getting back to the under 23s, Josh Risdon is only 23.

Is he eligible for the Olyroos?

Has he been selected in the past?

I tell you what I'm not going to do peanut and that's crap on about how they're all age cheats and they only won because they were superior athletes.

If you think the Australia is going well by arsing it out of a group by the skin of their teeth in 4th place of the 4 best placed third teams then you're as deluded as decentric who's hailing this a some kind of success and a vindication of the FFA methodology.

We won one game. A game where Australia abandoned the philosophy and methodology.

Talk me through again how well we've done.

Loses argument. Employs the "look over there" defence.

Munrub, given you have kids under the auspices of FFA programs, should you save yourself a few thousand bucks and withdraw them?

You've said you are an advocate of the FFA NC. I've asked before you to state what you like about it?


Since you've only excoriated the FFA NC to date, surely you can coach your own kids yourself?:d

Given you are putting your hard earned into FFA programs for your kids development, you are displaying financial support for something you castigate on here.:roll:

I see you refused to answer the question.

Questioning various parts of the FFA NC does not mean "excoriating" (you love this word) it wholesale.

A condescending clown like you may not understand the nuance.



The starting team list for the Under 17 world cup squad should offer up more than enough of an explanation as to why I have them on the FFA pathway.



Never ever said that and you know it.



Edited by munrubenmuz: 7/11/2015 12:45:06 PM

Looked at the last 2 u17 u20 tournaments and the last olympics
for 4 out of five tournaments the only senior world cup winners to make the top four was brazil.
The other one was the 2013 u20 wc where uruguay and france made the final four
our most successful youth campaign resulted in one of the worst generations
we were technically stronger than previous generations yet people really want us to "look at reality" by looking at results
all i can say is im glad such people dont have much say over the direction of youth development in australia