yeah fair enough. But yeah if he has tried and failed then that calls into question his influence :)

I think Lowy has done a lot of good, but overall, from mainstream Australia, football ( as a game) appears to be still treated much the same it was 10 years ago.

All this anti lowy talkis hilarious.

When things go well in the a-league he dosent get any credit for it. When things go bad its all his fault.

Hypocracy 101 people

I like tsf posts when hes not giving Roar shit :d

Thanks :) And it's just bantz ;)

All good mate, the bantz do hurt sometimes though :lol:

It wouldn't fix anything - but it calls into question why we are apparently beholden to Frank and his family.

He gets nothing but credit from some people, even when the A-League is slipping from disaster to disaster, because they set the bar low by comparing to 10 years ago rather than 5.

That is correct.

They are flismy at best, they are more for im going to mow your lawn for $50 arrangements. It why buisness make you sign a quote more times than not. But for contract employment they are worth nothing, given thing like tax and super need to be sorted which would require pen to paper.

Hahaha im sorry but this makes me laugh. On the one side you are telling the FFA to give in to the demands of the PFA, but then on the other you're expecting the FFA to step in to help the Roar.

Where do you think the money is coming from? If you give in to the PFA the FFA clearly will have even less funds than they have now to help out clubs such as the Jets and the Roar. So which do you prefer? Because you were previously quite vocal about the FFA giving the PFA what they want.

Money doesn't grow on trees mate. The FFA clearly haven't got the funds to step in otherwise they would have. Yet the PFA are still demanding more?

The AFL in Brisbane (Lions) is in diabolical trouble, heading towards oblivion according to the Courier Mail today despite receiving a $3 million handout from the AFL. Stadium deals are what they are and are treated same for all codes refer Titans. Police are acting on the law's behalf particularly renegade tards that required firm control. Lowy's influence is a given and is a well respected figure, that doesn't mean he can get what he wants all the time.

Benny would like the old Soccer Australia back so they can let clubs like, oh I don't know.......say Hellas in.

Chalk and cheese what Lowy has done for football in this country and I hope Steve continues in his father's footsteps.

Yeah looks like Brisbane is cooked. Shocking what is happening across all codes in stadium deals

Back when Fury was going through its dramas, FFA quoted $5mil a season.

-PB

So a couple of years later maybe $6 mil?

My question to the SMFC lads would be could they raise $3.5 mil year in, year out?

Not being a smart arse, genuinely interested.

Again, PFA's key demand is that players benefit when the game does - second most important is that player income be protected.

As you say, FFA clearly haven't got the funds... Pity that - we keep getting told what a bang-up job they are doing. Pity we haven't got a benevolent, massively rich benefactor who could step in and save the day.

SMFC board are confident that the tv deal, combined with commercial interests and sponsorship would cover all operating costs.

Nice attempt to deflect - but I've made it clear in the past that times needed to change and Soccer Australia were the inept source of the games problems pre 2003.

Again, I don't want anyone 'Let' into the competition - just owners with sound business models... Which would appear to stick a knife right through Roar's heart.

I'm not disputing anything. I'm asking.

Please learn to read.

With regards to the stadium deal that everyone whinges about this article steps out the problems for Suncorp tenants.

Yes the article is old but it's interesting to see the disparity between hiring stadiums in Brisbane vs stadiums in Sydney.

Even if it's half what it was, and there's no evidence of that, the Brisbane deal is exorbitant.

From 2011.

This year's sell out A-League grand final at Suncorp between the Brisbane Roar and Central Coast Mariners cost Football Federation Australia $750,000 in event and transport charges, compared to the $150,000 fee incurred when soccer's big game was played at the SFS.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/stadium-rent-to-cost-a-bomb-for-brisbane-20110719-1hn8v.html

Have a look at what the Titans were paying what the Roosters were paying.

Again, I realise the article is old, but it's the figures relative to the respective tenants that is interesting.




Edited by munrubenmuz: 3/9/2015 04:04:59 PM

Mate you lob in on other threads and slag me off so I have a bit of a hair trigger at the moment when I see you say things like

yet you and paulc both ignore the fact

when I said nothing or implied nothing of the sort.

If you've ever followed any of the Brisbane Roar threads regarding this you'd know that a stadium cannot be privately owned if it holds more than 9999 people in Qld and has to be built by the government. (Or something like that. Somebody else will know the exact figures about that.)

Not to mention the difficulty the QR and the Roar would have trying to raise $300 m to pay for a specialty boutique stadium.



Edited by munrubenmuz: 3/9/2015 04:13:44 PM

A consortium who would then have to get planning approval, transport arrangements and so on from the Government

In order to undercut the Government

Ain't happening

This is where it gets murky.

Suncorp was developed to hold 50000 maroons supperters a few times a year and 20000 broncos supporter during the NRL season.

Broncos comfortable get the numbers they need to turn a profit on game day.

Brisbane Lions had a stadium deal that locked all QLD AFL games into Brisbane for 20years in return for rental concessions. AFL signed that as at the time a GC time was not a reality. They had to pay the GABA trust to break allow a concession for GC suns to play from the gold coast (although in the first season the GABA almost made all the Suns v Lions games happen in Brisbane).
Speaking of the Suns, the AFL tipped 10mil into the Metricon stadium redevelopment assuring the club would make game day profits.

So the Brisbane/Gold Coast area has 4 big stadiums. It also has 6 big teams.

Lions - Broncos - Suns - Roar - Reds - Titans

Only 3 of those teams get screwed because the AFL and NRL had the head start and stadiums were deals were tailored around them. NRL Titans were just badly managed and the stadium should have stayed at 20000 not been expanded to 27000 before construction.

So the Government is sitting Pretty with 3 big tenants comfortably using 3/4 of it stadiums with no problems.

Biggest problem is that in order to build such a stadium you would need to get planning permission from (effectively) the same people who currently control all the other stadiums in town. How happy do you think they would be to grant said planning permission?

Whilst it's possible that they would be unable to actually refuse the permissions, they could very easily make them conditional of all infrastructure changes being included in the cost of the stadium (ie/ you can build you stadium but YOU have to pay for all the road changes and YOU have to pay for public transport upgrades, etc.)

Unfortunately, the government over there have sport, football in particular, over a barrel. Just a pity we don't have the political influence to win through.

If there hasn't been a public revolt over the prices they charge franchises, and the frequency of franchises folding (across sports) as a result - why would there be one just because someone wanted to build a stadium..?

Who'd want to waste that much time and effort ?

Plus, if I was a Tax-payer who'd paid for Lang Park, I'd wanna know why the Government isn't recouping as much as possible.

I blame the Qld voting public. Anna Bligh was going to redevelop Ballymore for the Roar and the Reds if she was re-elected. Unfortunately Anna could have cured cancer and still not won that election.

Hmmmmm

Is there any chance Annastacia Palaszczuk would do the same?