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Decentric wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:
That sounds like a great course. I'm always looking to learn. I read a lot of football books. Would you recommend any courses or books? You seem to be well informed on coach education.
Definitely some good ones , if you haven't read them. *Inverting The Pyramid - Jonathon Wilson This book is great for learning about the evolution of tactical systems. One other 442 poster, Localstar who has astonishing historical knowledge of football , knew most of it and found it tedious. Most find it illuminating. *Soccernomics - Simon Kuper Very interesting about football scenarios in various countries. Kuper is half Dutch, half English. With all the data and info he provides about English football it is no surprise they chronically underachieve. Interesting insights in to how French clubs operate compared to English clubs. *The Football Men - Simon Kuper Some interesting anecdotes about players and coaches. Amongst other interesting football phenomena I learnt how frustrated Guus was coaching English national players at Chelsea. *Football Against The Enemy - Simon Kuper Historical rivalries in football. *Why England Lose - Simon Kuper *Soccer Systems & Strategies - Jens Bangsbo & Birger Peitersen Good for formations and the variations of the 4-4-2 midfield configurations. * Brilliant Orange - David Winner Good understanding of the Dutch culture in football. It is very educated compared to England. * Cloughie - Brian Clough Interesting autobiographical insight into one of the greatest coaches of all time anywhere in the world and his partnership with Peter Taylor from his own perspective. Yet the Football Association wouldn't give him the job as English coach - more of this in Soccernomics. *20 years With Brian Clough - Duncan Hamilton Hamilton was a journo working with Clough. Great insights into an incredible coach. Hamilton also sees humour that really appeals to everyone except Clough himself and the suppressed players under his tutelage , in almost everything Clough does. Clough/Taylor were so good, they are probably the only two who don't need to do coaching courses, apart from them picking up tactical/technical trends. They were so good, Notts Forest won two successive EUFA Champ League titles with a tiny budget compared to most of their opponents. The only English coaching combo, or any nationality of that matter, to achieve this. Taylor's ability to spot talent, in players nobody else could see anything in, often from lower divisions, then recruit them to Forest or Derby County under Clough's tutelage and turn them into championship winners was astonishing. Taylor was often an anonymous face in the crowd and would leave a game at half time, already having appraised a player. Shame Robbie Slater and Craig Johnston, both who were under signing consideration, particularly the latter, didn't play under Clough/Taylor. Clough's Achilles heel was the bottle. Alcoholism eventually destroyed his judgement. Also one of the funniest books I've read. I've only read Inverting the Pyramind but I found it boring. I've got Brilliant Orange and Soccernomics waiting. Just need to finish The Numbers Game. Thanks for the rest.
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Decentric wrote:Anther massive divergence from previous FFA policy is the role of mentors in clubs. FFA recognises that they may even be unqualified.
FFA now perceives mentors as being paramount in the decentralisation of coach education.
This is the antithesis of the previous image that FFA tried to convey under Berger's tenure. I'm not sure who of Luke Casserley, Ange, Abrams, and even our Tassie CEO, Mike Palmer , were instrumental in this new approach , but it is such a magnanimous gesture to clubs by FFA compared to before.
FFA now recognise that there are untrained entities who operate in football clubs who have great influence and and perform a positive role in those milieus.
State TDs will now work with club TDs and mentors in collaboratively planning what is needed at particular clubs. FFA state TDs will have to consider the desires and needs of clubs as identified by club TDs and mentors.
In Tassie 4 out of our last 6 FFA state TDs have had a very autocratic attitude to clubs from what they perceived was a position of superior knowledge in all matters football.
Many reading this will be gobsmacked by this change in FFA attitude. Great to see, hopefully this will happen in NSW soon. =d>
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Thanks. I'll add this to the Football Books thread.
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Anther massive divergence from previous FFA policy is the role of mentors in clubs. FFA recognises that they may even be unqualified.
FFA now perceives mentors as being paramount in the decentralisation of coach education.
This is the antithesis of the previous image that FFA tried to convey under Berger's tenure. I'm not sure who of Luke Casserley, Ange, Abrams, and even our Tassie CEO, Mike Palmer , were instrumental in this new approach , but it is such a magnanimous gesture to clubs by FFA compared to before.
FFA now recognise that there are untrained entities who operate in football clubs who have great influence and and perform a positive role in those milieus.
State TDs will now work with club TDs and mentors in collaboratively planning what is needed at particular clubs. FFA state TDs will have to consider the desires and needs of clubs as identified by club TDs and mentors.
In Tassie 4 out of our last 6 FFA state TDs have had a very autocratic attitude to clubs from what they perceived was a position of superior knowledge in all matters football.
Many reading this will be gobsmacked by this change in FFA attitude.
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:
That sounds like a great course. I'm always looking to learn. I read a lot of football books. Would you recommend any courses or books? You seem to be well informed on coach education.
Definitely some good ones , if you haven't read them. *Inverting The Pyramid - Jonathon Wilson This book is great for learning about the evolution of tactical systems. One other 442 poster, Localstar who has astonishing historical knowledge of football , knew most of it and found it tedious. Most find it illuminating. *Soccernomics - Simon Kuper Very interesting about football scenarios in various countries. Kuper is half Dutch, half English. With all the data and info he provides about English football it is no surprise they chronically underachieve. Interesting insights in to how French clubs operate compared to English clubs. *The Football Men - Simon Kuper Some interesting anecdotes about players and coaches. Amongst other interesting football phenomena I learnt how frustrated Guus was coaching English national players at Chelsea. *Football Against The Enemy - Simon Kuper Historical rivalries in football. *Why England Lose - Simon Kuper *Soccer Systems & Strategies - Jens Bangsbo & Birger Peitersen Good for formations and the variations of the 4-4-2 midfield configurations. * Brilliant Orange - David Winner Good understanding of the Dutch culture in football. It is very educated compared to England. * Cloughie - Brian Clough Interesting autobiographical insight into one of the greatest coaches of all time anywhere in the world and his partnership with Peter Taylor from his own perspective. Yet the Football Association wouldn't give him the job as English coach - more of this in Soccernomics. *20 years With Brian Clough - Duncan Hamilton Hamilton was a journo working with Clough. Great insights into an incredible coach. Hamilton also sees humour that really appeals to everyone except Clough himself and the suppressed players under his tutelage , in almost everything Clough does. Clough/Taylor were so good, they are probably the only two who don't need to do coaching courses, apart from them picking up tactical/technical trends. They were so good, Notts Forest won two successive EUFA Champ League titles with a tiny budget compared to most of their opponents. The only English coaching combo, or any nationality of that matter, to achieve this. Taylor's ability to spot talent, in players nobody else could see anything in, often from lower divisions, then recruit them to Forest or Derby County under Clough's tutelage and turn them into championship winners was astonishing. Taylor was often an anonymous face in the crowd and would leave a game at half time, already having appraised a player. Shame Robbie Slater and Craig Johnston, both who were under signing consideration, particularly the latter, didn't play under Clough/Taylor. Clough's Achilles heel was the bottle. Alcoholism eventually destroyed his judgement. Also one of the funniest books I've read.
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:Thank you. I'll get the the "How simple can it be?" book but not just yet. Raymond Verheijen also some interesting things to say. I'm got about three football books to read. Good choice. Meant to suggest reading "How simple can it be?" first as it provides great context for the periodisation book which is excellent but quite dense. Only downside to getting them separately is paying two lots of postage. It is my understanding that coaches who went to the State conferences in 2014 that Verheijen appeared at got a copy of the periodisation book so it could be worth asking around.
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Thank you. I'll get the the "How simple can it be?" book but not just yet. Raymond Verheijen also some interesting things to say. I'm got about three football books to read.
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:
That sounds like a great course. I'm always looking to learn. I read a lot of football books. Would you recommend any courses or books? You seem to be well informed on coach education.
Highly recommend "How simple can it be?" and "The original guide to football periodization". There are a bit pricey but excellent if you have bought into the FFA's philosophy. https://webshop.worldfootballacademy.com/The "Football Theory" book on the site is new and to me is a bit light on volume wise for the price. If you do get it, would be very interested in your views. Also "The Coaching Philosophies of Louis van Gaal and the Ajax Coaches" is dirt cheap on Kindle via Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Coaching-Philosophies-Louis-Gaal-Coaches/dp/1890946036/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1455592313&sr=8-2&keywords=van+gaal
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:Decentric wrote:On e of the concepts that stands out is that in the Whole Of Football Plan is Ange's influence. It has already been mentioned before, but Ange dislikes the current concept of 24 AIS players.
He emphatically wants 3000 players being afforded similar opportunities across the country.
There will also be specialised girl academies.
Ironically, Ange's job was on the line before the Asian Cup. I still have trouble with the concept of national team senior coach and TD role being fused. The only way to do it is for the FFA or the state bodies to appoint TD's for each individual club in the top tier (at a minimum). If you have someone who knows what they are doing at the top of each club influencing/educating 7 coaches (13's to first grade) and the SAP coaches you will see fantastic progress in player development. 7 coaches x 12 teams (most NPL competitions have 12 teams) = 84 coaches, 84 coaches x 8 NPL's = 672 coaches working under the FFA curriculum. Each squad will have about 16 players. 672 coaches x 16 players = 10 752 players being coached according to the FFA curriculum. That's just the top tier of the NPL. NSW alone has NPL 1, 2 and 3. It works more effectively here for the Football Fed Tas TD to liaise with clubs. There are only 8 NPL clubs statewide. When I was a NPL TD there was considerable animosity even towards getting FFT staff coaches into some NPL clubs in a mentoring role. Some weren't that interested either, but the staff coaches of FFA 's job description has changed immeasurably under Abrams, Casserley, Ange, and in our case our state CEO, Mike Palmer
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Decentric wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:Decentric wrote:
Certainly didn't learn the value of video analysis in the C Licence course I did.
The five Ws were pushed.
I also did some excellent analysis with the KNVB, which was very analytical and comprehensive.
The thrust was being able to analyse effectively on match day, then to plan a training program the following week to rectify problems identified from the game.
With video analysis though it is useful to show some players where they need to improve. Some boys in particular, think they are a lot better than they are and that they know a lot more than they do at ages 13-16.
The C Licence asked to analyse a Australia vs Brazil (youth) and create sessions based on the football problems presented in the game. Some people might not have thought too much about it but I started to apply it to my coaching. Since the course, I've used the footage of games in the past two seasons to demonstrate to the team what we were doing right/wrong both as a team and individuals. Every week, I'd demonstrate with the footage as evidence what our football problem was. This is very time consuming though - it took me about 3 hours to watch a 90 minute game before training on Tuesday. Did you have to go to Europe for the KVNB course? I'd really love to do a course on periodisation - I hope they have a lot of information on it in the B licence. Edited by theFOOTBALLlover: 16/2/2016 09:20:43 AM It is really good to hear the benefits you have gained. You are also doing some great work, although very time consuming with your team/s. The KNVB training was brilliant. I knew very little before I did the course. It was so good, an under 12 team I coached won a state title straight after , coaching against some very experienced FFA staff coaches. Now it seems insignificant as development coaching is about development , not results. The main benefits were team structure, defensive organisation, comprehensive match analysis, four phase training ground method ( similar to the FFA C Licence) and coaching aspects of technique, although the FFA NC has added to it. About half of it was expanded on in the C Licence. The other half of the KNVB course content was untouched in the C Licence. However, with recent FFA Skills Certificate, I think most of the ground is now covered by FFA. Also, the KNVB has who been shown as not developing good enough players in the last 10 years or so. Most of Holland's best players are close too 30. From what I hear, if one is bothered about from overseas coach education , going to Barca would be best. The Dutch are about to revamp their curriculum borrowing from the Spanish, Dutch and Germans, who have imported a lot of KNVB methodology in the last 15 years, but added to it. That sounds like a great course. I'm always looking to learn. I read a lot of football books. Would you recommend any courses or books? You seem to be well informed on coach education.
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Barca4Life wrote:Decentric wrote:On e of the concepts that stands out is that in the Whole Of Football Plan is Ange's influence. It has already been mentioned before, but Ange dislikes the current concept of 24 AIS players.
He emphatically wants 3000 players being afforded similar opportunities across the country.
There will also be specialised girl academies.
Ironically, Ange's job was on the line before the Asian Cup. I still have trouble with the concept of national team senior coach and TD role being fused. Did Ange actually say this i thought Eric Abrams was the one pushing the idea? It could be both. I know Ange doesn't like selection trials, not wanting to exclude players.
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Decentric wrote:On e of the concepts that stands out is that in the Whole Of Football Plan is Ange's influence. It has already been mentioned before, but Ange dislikes the current concept of 24 AIS players.
He emphatically wants 3000 players being afforded similar opportunities across the country.
There will also be specialised girl academies.
Ironically, Ange's job was on the line before the Asian Cup. I still have trouble with the concept of national team senior coach and TD role being fused. The only way to do it is for the FFA or the state bodies to appoint TD's for each individual club in the top tier (at a minimum). If you have someone who knows what they are doing at the top of each club influencing/educating 7 coaches (13's to first grade) and the SAP coaches you will see fantastic progress in player development. 7 coaches x 12 teams (most NPL competitions have 12 teams) = 84 coaches, 84 coaches x 8 NPL's = 672 coaches working under the FFA curriculum. Each squad will have about 16 players. 672 coaches x 16 players = 10 752 players being coached according to the FFA curriculum. That's just the top tier of the NPL. NSW alone has NPL 1, 2 and 3.
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:Decentric wrote:
Certainly didn't learn the value of video analysis in the C Licence course I did.
The five Ws were pushed.
I also did some excellent analysis with the KNVB, which was very analytical and comprehensive.
The thrust was being able to analyse effectively on match day, then to plan a training program the following week to rectify problems identified from the game.
With video analysis though it is useful to show some players where they need to improve. Some boys in particular, think they are a lot better than they are and that they know a lot more than they do at ages 13-16.
The C Licence asked to analyse a Australia vs Brazil (youth) and create sessions based on the football problems presented in the game. Some people might not have thought too much about it but I started to apply it to my coaching. Since the course, I've used the footage of games in the past two seasons to demonstrate to the team what we were doing right/wrong both as a team and individuals. Every week, I'd demonstrate with the footage as evidence what our football problem was. This is very time consuming though - it took me about 3 hours to watch a 90 minute game before training on Tuesday. Did you have to go to Europe for the KVNB course? I'd really love to do a course on periodisation - I hope they have a lot of information on it in the B licence. Edited by theFOOTBALLlover: 16/2/2016 09:20:43 AM It is really good to hear the benefits you have gained. You are also doing some great work, although very time consuming with your team/s. The KNVB training was brilliant. I knew very little before I did the course. It was so good, an under 12 team I coached won a state title straight after , coaching against some very experienced FFA staff coaches. Now it seems insignificant as development coaching is about development , not results. The main benefits were team structure, defensive organisation, comprehensive match analysis, four phase training ground method ( similar to the FFA C Licence) and coaching aspects of technique, although the FFA NC has added to it. About half of it was expanded on in the C Licence. The other half of the KNVB course content was untouched in the C Licence. However, with recent FFA Skills Certificate, I think most of the ground is now covered by FFA. Also, the KNVB has who been shown as not developing good enough players in the last 10 years or so. Most of Holland's best players are close too 30. From what I hear, if one is bothered about from overseas coach education , going to Barca would be best. The Dutch are about to revamp their curriculum borrowing from the Spanish, Dutch and Germans, who have imported a lot of KNVB methodology in the last 15 years, but added to it.
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Decentric wrote:On e of the concepts that stands out is that in the Whole Of Football Plan is Ange's influence. It has already been mentioned before, but Ange dislikes the current concept of 24 AIS players.
He emphatically wants 3000 players being afforded similar opportunities across the country.
There will also be specialised girl academies.
Ironically, Ange's job was on the line before the Asian Cup. I still have trouble with the concept of national team senior coach and TD role being fused. Did Ange actually say this i thought Eric Abrams was the one pushing the idea?
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Decentric wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:
I think the presentation just echoed certain things I learnt in the C Licence. The importance of analysing opponents and analysing performances by filming games helped the players learn how to adapt and play against different styles and visually see what they are doing well/wrong. Sometimes players need to see it to believe it.
Certainly didn't learn the value of video analysis in the C Licence course I did. The five Ws were pushed. I also did some excellent analysis with the KNVB, which was very analytical and comprehensive. The thrust was being able to analyse effectively on match day, then to plan a training program the following week to rectify problems identified from the game. With video analysis though it is useful to show some players where they need to improve. Some boys in particular, think they are a lot better than they are and that they know a lot more than they do at ages 13-16. The C Licence asked to analyse a Australia vs Brazil (youth) and create sessions based on the football problems presented in the game. Some people might not have thought too much about it but I started to apply it to my coaching. Since the course, I've used the footage of games in the past two seasons to demonstrate to the team what we were doing right/wrong both as a team and individuals. Every week, I'd demonstrate with the footage as evidence what our football problem was. This is very time consuming though - it took me about 3 hours to watch a 90 minute game before training on Tuesday. Did you have to go to Europe for the KVNB course? I'd really love to do a course on periodisation - I hope they have a lot of information on it in the B licence. Edited by theFOOTBALLlover: 16/2/2016 09:20:43 AM
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:
I think the presentation just echoed certain things I learnt in the C Licence. The importance of analysing opponents and analysing performances by filming games helped the players learn how to adapt and play against different styles and visually see what they are doing well/wrong. Sometimes players need to see it to believe it.
Certainly didn't learn the value of video analysis in the C Licence course I did. The five Ws were pushed. I also did some excellent analysis with the KNVB, which was very analytical and comprehensive. The thrust was being able to analyse effectively on match day, then to plan a training program the following week to rectify problems identified from the game. With video analysis though it is useful to show some players where they need to improve. Some boys in particular, think they are a lot better than they are and that they know a lot more than they do at ages 13-16.
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On e of the concepts that stands out is that in the Whole Of Football Plan is Ange's influence. It has already been mentioned before, but Ange dislikes the current concept of 24 AIS players.
He emphatically wants 3000 players being afforded similar opportunities across the country.
There will also be specialised girl academies.
Ironically, Ange's job was on the line before the Asian Cup. I still have trouble with the concept of national team senior coach and TD role being fused.
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One other massive change is recognition by FFA that they need to identify talent for elite pathways much better than they do.
The state TD asked any of us to keep any player in mind with talent who may not have been appraised in that he be contacted for someone to run an eye over a mooted player.
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krones3 wrote:Quote:Another example was I think Ian Ferguson failed his A Licence. Yet he coached Glory who were about to play in the FFA Grand Final under his tutelage.
Did he eventually get one? He must have. Otherwise FFA would have had to sack him at the same time as he was leading Glory into a Grand Final in the HAL.:lol: There are some real inconsistencies the ways coaches have been assessed in courses by FFA in the past. I think there were some cases of revenge. Someone on here said that in Brisbane the assessor had failed all candidates in a B Licence course. In education, the upper echelons of the bureaucracy would have a good, long hard look at the quality of the assessor. It would be deduced that his/her ability to convey the message was totally inadequate. What has happened is that some of the many coaches who have been failed have not been able to do the next level of courses. Then FFA have not been able to run some coach education courses , due to insufficient numbers of qualified candidates. The perpetrators, possibly the likes of whoever failed Fergie (possibly through an act of payback or revenge), have then not been able to run higher level courses that follow on. Under Erik Abams tenure, FFA realises we only have one trained C Licence coach in Oz for every 50 in Japan. A point I've made in a big FFA conference is that there is at times far too much prestige afforded to some of the Advanced licences which are very, very low calibre qualifications, quantitatively and qualitatively, compared to tertiary degrees and subsequent postgraduate diplomas. Those in the FFA system, or pro clubs, with sports science, economics, accounting or education qualifications can see the point. Conversely, in Japan and in the Middle east, there is a culture where nobody ever fails in coach education. We are all in the same AFC too. Edited by Decentric: 16/2/2016 12:29:06 AM
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:Decentric wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:
This is the problem though. Most clubs will keep these guys because they know them or have a record of 'success'. The only way our development will change for the better is through time AND by failing people on courses. They'll either retire because they are too old or quit because they can't get the qualifications.
To a point. In one state they failed nearly the whole course.I've heard of another where they failed all of them. Later they wanted to run a B Licence in one state, but can't run it because they don't have the participants. They are now bending FFA rules to try and reassess the same coaches they failed probably in order to run a B Licence . One coach, the second most successful in state history at senior an youth level, who used to run courses under Soccer Australia, has been failed under the new regime. One regional TD in Australia, has headed off shore to do his assessments because he thinks he is not part of an Old Boys network. Another example was I think Ian Ferguson failed his A Licence. Yet he coached Glory who were about to play in the FFA Grand Final under his tutelage. If true, I wonder how he felt being failed by FFA assessors who would have had nothing like his success as a pro coach? Some coaches who participate have participated on this forum are eternally frustrated, because they have been told by FFA senior echelons they have no hope of progress due to lack of a pro playing football background. Some former pro players are also frustrated because FFA like individuals who have teacher training to do the development coaching. To a degree yes. No one is perfect. If the FFA only give ex-pro's a chance, I'll have no chance of ever making it. Seeing all the ex-pros getting high up gigs straight away is frustrating. I don't think being a teacher has helped me get coaching gigs, however, in terms of being able to deal with young players it definitely has. Managing young people is a big part of teaching and coaching. I'm not sure if they still have them, like they existed previously, but the FFA rep team programs like teachers as coaches in the regional branches of FFA. if you want to progress to pro coaching one almost has no chance anyway. There are so few jobs. One of the exceptions to the rule is Arthur Papas not being a former pro. In this state it is relatively easy getting to NPL senior or assistant senior coach, particularly with a teaching background if one has had a reasonable career playing football too. Edited by Decentric: 16/2/2016 12:08:16 AM
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Quote:Another example was I think Ian Ferguson failed his A Licence. Yet he coached Glory who were about to play in the FFA Grand Final under his tutelage.
Did he eventually get one?
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Decentric wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:
This is the problem though. Most clubs will keep these guys because they know them or have a record of 'success'. The only way our development will change for the better is through time AND by failing people on courses. They'll either retire because they are too old or quit because they can't get the qualifications.
To a point. In one state they failed nearly the whole course.I've heard of another where they failed all of them. Later they wanted to run a B Licence in one state, but can't run it because they don't have the participants. They are now bending FFA rules to try and reassess the same coaches they failed probably in order to run a B Licence . One coach, the second most successful in state history at senior an youth level, who used to run courses under Soccer Australia, has been failed under the new regime. One regional TD in Australia, has headed off shore to do his assessments because he thinks he is not part of an Old Boys network. Another example was I think Ian Ferguson failed his A Licence. Yet he coached Glory who were about to play in the FFA Grand Final under his tutelage. If true, I wonder how he felt being failed by FFA assessors who would have had nothing like his success as a pro coach? Some coaches who participate have participated on this forum are eternally frustrated, because they have been told by FFA senior echelons they have no hope of progress due to lack of a pro playing football background. Some former pro players are also frustrated because FFA like individuals who have teacher training to do the development coaching. To a degree yes. No one is perfect. If the FFA only give ex-pro's a chance, I'll have no chance of ever making it. Seeing all the ex-pros getting high up gigs straight away is frustrating. I don't think being a teacher has helped me get coaching gigs, however, in terms of being able to deal with young players it definitely has. Managing young people is a big part of teaching and coaching.
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From the article, and this is what Abrams said and his plans for coach education. I guess he is keen to decentralise the coaching courses even further and make it more effective to see if the coaches are doing the right thing. Quote:"The approach for talent development and coach development is similar," said Abrams. "If you want to develop better players, you need better coaches."
"The coach education is too centralised," elaborated Adams. "The course [at C-level] was instructed in a 10-day crash form. The candidates had to fly in, book hotels, take 10 days off work and fork out money. They returned home and they picked up their old habits if they weren't mentored and monitored, So, the course had little effect."
[b]"It's the intention to decentralize the professional programs we have in the different States so that we can reach more players and [have] FFA-appointed coaches assist them twice a week, let them return to their clubs for two training sessions a week and a match in the weekend," said Abrams.[ /b] Edited by Barca4life: 12/2/2016 10:40:47 AM
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Arthur wrote:Has any body been given information about "peeling off"?
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Has any body been given information about "peeling off"?
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Decentric
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:
This is the problem though. Most clubs will keep these guys because they know them or have a record of 'success'. The only way our development will change for the better is through time AND by failing people on courses. They'll either retire because they are too old or quit because they can't get the qualifications.
To a point. In one state they failed nearly the whole course.I've heard of another where they failed all of them. Later they wanted to run a B Licence in one state, but can't run it because they don't have the participants. They are now bending FFA rules to try and reassess the same coaches they failed probably in order to run a B Licence . One coach, the second most successful in state history at senior an youth level, who used to run courses under Soccer Australia, has been failed under the new regime. One regional TD in Australia, has headed off shore to do his assessments because he thinks he is not part of an Old Boys network. Another example was I think Ian Ferguson failed his A Licence. Yet he coached Glory who were about to play in the FFA Grand Final under his tutelage. If true, I wonder how he felt being failed by FFA assessors who would have had nothing like his success as a pro coach? Some coaches who participate have participated on this forum are eternally frustrated, because they have been told by FFA senior echelons they have no hope of progress due to lack of a pro playing football background. Some former pro players are also frustrated because FFA like individuals who have teacher training to do the development coaching.
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krones3 wrote:Decentric wrote:krones3 wrote:Quote:The other issue is that the naysayers of the recent results by Australian underage national teams, seem to claim some mysterious ad hoc curriculum was better than what we have now. Many coaches were angry about the recent results, but the presenters were keen to diffuse the discussion.
that is not the case some are saying the coach was not up to the job and Quote:"After the Socceroos's success at the 2015 Asian Cup, the big disappointment stemmed from the fact that the Olyroos - the team and the staff - didn't manage to completely introduce the vision and style of play of the Socceroos in their group," said the technical director of Football Federation Australia [FFA] Eric Abrams, who attended Australia's three group matches in Qatar.
Until someone else says it it does not count. Abrams is a pretty significant someone else. Look the coach was not up to the job and many out there are the same but there positions are protected and the players/system/volunteers get the blame. Failure is failure and the coach must carry the blame and not be protected or else we are training quality players for nothing. Dont sacrifice a coach for losing a game but for failing to achieve his mandate, then he must go and not be protected my the machine. PS he is not significant to me Edited by krones3: 11/2/2016 08:00:22 PM The one thing we have to remember is that Vidmar took AU to an ACL final with inferior cattle compared to the opposition. As a results based coach he has succeeded at a very high level playing Reactive football. As a development coach imparting the supposed national paying style and dominating games, he hasn't succeeded playing Proactive football FFA wants. To some extend it is based on club scenarios and stifled development of some his preferred cattle. I'm surprised he stuck with a team that had played together through the underage ranks as opposed to selecting form players of recent times. The opposition often had month long training camps. Ante Juric, Shaun Douglas and at the top, Erik Abrams, have given a lot of info about refining the national playing style based on trends in world football in the UEFA CL and the last World Cup, given recent national team performances at underage level. The FFA NC has been fine tuned. The essential paradigm of training modules into three component parts, at junior level, and four component parts at senior level is essentially sound. One point that differs from the FFA NC, and the KNVB, is that the Germans, have pushed hard for free play. In other words street football to replace some highly organised coaching sessions. This has been a break from the Dutch. This free play, street football, is now being advocated by FFA as integral for developing creative players. This is a digression from the older FFA NC. I've known many kids to knock back NTC participation, because they were not allowed to play futsal. Because of the devolution of NTC to the NDC, players can choose what they like when not involved in NDC. There were differing attitudes by FFA staff coaches to futsal as a useful development tool. Some embraced it, others didn't. Another big issue is that FFA realise that they were perceived as separate and sometimes aloof from the general football milieu. I realised when I was with FFA at the bottom of the system, that when I approached club coaches there was hostility. A senior FFA staff coach said, "Welcome to being perceived as the enemy." FFA are also busting a gut to train more coaches at Advanced level and make them courses more accessible and affordable. Some of the former aloof and petty empire entities have been given marching orders from FFA. This is a welcome change. Berger was the archetypal import with this attitude. He basically thought local coaches knew nothing and that he was going to change practices in Australia no matter what. Baan thought it was all too hard. Thankfully we had a guy with Berger's arrogance and tenacity to push the naysayers out of their comfort zone. Now the curriculum is being fine tuned by a TD from a different country , Belgium, who have recently overhauled what they did before when they had little success as a football nation. Edited by Decentric: 16/2/2016 07:56:54 AM
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theFOOTBALLlover wrote:krones3 wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:Decentric wrote:It seems like a lot of442 members are currentl undertaking, or have completed the C Licence recently. This is good.
However, if one did the older generic C Licence, which didn't specialise in Youth or Senior coaching, I learnt almost as much in a two day FFA course for rep coaches straight after the C Licence.
It seems as though it was similar to the current Skills Certificate ( previously called a Junior Licence), which is the second lowest level course for coaches available. It really helps coaches to focus on the four Core Skills.
19 of the guys that did the C Licence with me, out of a total of 24, haven't learnt new information about explicit technique through formal coach education since, even if undertaking the generic FFA B Licence. Some of the old ad hoc ways are still utilised by them.
I learnt a lot in a KNVB specialist youth course, which was also Advanced Coach education. There was some general stuff about technique, and it was very good for defensive structure. The current FFA Skills Certificate, puts technique neatly into four compartments.
Abrams' scepticism about explicit defending in the FFA NC is partially true concerning the recent Olyroos. However, they learnt the bulk of their technical work through an older style of coaching.
Mark Birighitti was one of the first intake with Jan Versleijen, but before that his cohort were a product of the old system, or the ad hoc one that existed then.
Anyone who has a current C Licence, or even B Licence, including NPL coaches, should seriously consider undertaking the FFA Skills Certificate. It should only take a weekend. It puts what I learnt from the KNVB in a more explicit and segmented way.
When I talk to some of the NPL senior coaches and assistants , they are still nebulous about thinking of technique in terms of four Core skills. They sometimes don't have the analytical background to break down players skill set into four component parts. This is useful.
If senior coaches don't have the skill set to analyse technique compartment ally, and given roughly equal weighting, they are relying on coaches below them in junior and youth development to do the bulk of the technical education. Players constantly need feedback about where they need to improve at any level including professional.
Whe Tim Cahill was young he did a lot of technical work in a small group with a coach called Johnny Doyle. It was very useful for honing his shooting at goal. I'd doubt that Doyle would've broken technique into component parts though. I f he had, Timmy should be a better ball carrier and 1v1 attacking exponent on the deck than he is.
The other point about the C Licence is that FFA staff coaches, certainly in Tasmania this year, will be conducting C Licence courses at NPL club venues. Coach education is becoming decentralised. FFA will be going out to the clubs, rather than coaches from clubs going to FFA HQ.
The cost of C Licences should be reduced from an average of the current $1 000 in the regions down to $500.
ATM there is a deal where any NPL club who can provide a minimum of 5 coaches, will be offered C Licence training for all five coaches for a total of $3 200. This amounts to $640 for each coach.
Edited by Decentric: 11/2/2016 07:06:22 PM I went to the first decentralised C Licence (youth and senior) in NSW in 2013 and the point you make about coaches not changing their ways was very apparent. I think the problem was that these guys keep getting reward for what they are doing so they aren't willing to change their ways. One coach was going on about how he was coaching the u20's at a former NSL club and that sometimes they had to knock it long, etc. Always questioning (not to his face) the presenter Oscar and the FFA model. I loved it and I can see the massive difference in my coaching since I started coaching 4 years ago. The massive step I took between my first season (I had a community Senior Licence) and my second season after the C Licence was unbelievable. By providing a better learning environment, the development of the individuals and the team were very different from season 1 and 2. Best thing I did and I hope I learn just as much when I do the B Licence in March/June. I think the presentation just echoed certain things I learnt in the C Licence. The importance of analysing opponents and analysing performances by filming games helped the players learn how to adapt and play against different styles and visually see what they are doing well/wrong. Sometimes players need to see it to believe it. Quote:One coach was going on about how he was coaching the u20's at a former NSL club and that sometimes they had to knock it long, etc. Always questioning (not to his face) the presenter Oscar and the FFA model. He was stupid what the smart ones do is nod in agreement and then go away and either cant or wont teach it and then blame the quality of players. all the time saying i'm following the curriculum. This is the problem though. Most clubs will keep these guys because they know them or have a record of 'success'. The only way our development will change for the better is through time AND by failing people on courses. They'll either retire because they are too old or quit because they can't get the qualifications. now you are talking Its not about the curriculum it about the coaches attitude to development and whether he/she can coach it. I see many good coaches in this country who are not coaching at the high level they could be and many bad ones who are over their head.
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krones3 wrote:theFOOTBALLlover wrote:Decentric wrote:It seems like a lot of442 members are currentl undertaking, or have completed the C Licence recently. This is good.
However, if one did the older generic C Licence, which didn't specialise in Youth or Senior coaching, I learnt almost as much in a two day FFA course for rep coaches straight after the C Licence.
It seems as though it was similar to the current Skills Certificate ( previously called a Junior Licence), which is the second lowest level course for coaches available. It really helps coaches to focus on the four Core Skills.
19 of the guys that did the C Licence with me, out of a total of 24, haven't learnt new information about explicit technique through formal coach education since, even if undertaking the generic FFA B Licence. Some of the old ad hoc ways are still utilised by them.
I learnt a lot in a KNVB specialist youth course, which was also Advanced Coach education. There was some general stuff about technique, and it was very good for defensive structure. The current FFA Skills Certificate, puts technique neatly into four compartments.
Abrams' scepticism about explicit defending in the FFA NC is partially true concerning the recent Olyroos. However, they learnt the bulk of their technical work through an older style of coaching.
Mark Birighitti was one of the first intake with Jan Versleijen, but before that his cohort were a product of the old system, or the ad hoc one that existed then.
Anyone who has a current C Licence, or even B Licence, including NPL coaches, should seriously consider undertaking the FFA Skills Certificate. It should only take a weekend. It puts what I learnt from the KNVB in a more explicit and segmented way.
When I talk to some of the NPL senior coaches and assistants , they are still nebulous about thinking of technique in terms of four Core skills. They sometimes don't have the analytical background to break down players skill set into four component parts. This is useful.
If senior coaches don't have the skill set to analyse technique compartment ally, and given roughly equal weighting, they are relying on coaches below them in junior and youth development to do the bulk of the technical education. Players constantly need feedback about where they need to improve at any level including professional.
Whe Tim Cahill was young he did a lot of technical work in a small group with a coach called Johnny Doyle. It was very useful for honing his shooting at goal. I'd doubt that Doyle would've broken technique into component parts though. I f he had, Timmy should be a better ball carrier and 1v1 attacking exponent on the deck than he is.
The other point about the C Licence is that FFA staff coaches, certainly in Tasmania this year, will be conducting C Licence courses at NPL club venues. Coach education is becoming decentralised. FFA will be going out to the clubs, rather than coaches from clubs going to FFA HQ.
The cost of C Licences should be reduced from an average of the current $1 000 in the regions down to $500.
ATM there is a deal where any NPL club who can provide a minimum of 5 coaches, will be offered C Licence training for all five coaches for a total of $3 200. This amounts to $640 for each coach.
Edited by Decentric: 11/2/2016 07:06:22 PM I went to the first decentralised C Licence (youth and senior) in NSW in 2013 and the point you make about coaches not changing their ways was very apparent. I think the problem was that these guys keep getting reward for what they are doing so they aren't willing to change their ways. One coach was going on about how he was coaching the u20's at a former NSL club and that sometimes they had to knock it long, etc. Always questioning (not to his face) the presenter Oscar and the FFA model. I loved it and I can see the massive difference in my coaching since I started coaching 4 years ago. The massive step I took between my first season (I had a community Senior Licence) and my second season after the C Licence was unbelievable. By providing a better learning environment, the development of the individuals and the team were very different from season 1 and 2. Best thing I did and I hope I learn just as much when I do the B Licence in March/June. I think the presentation just echoed certain things I learnt in the C Licence. The importance of analysing opponents and analysing performances by filming games helped the players learn how to adapt and play against different styles and visually see what they are doing well/wrong. Sometimes players need to see it to believe it. Quote:One coach was going on about how he was coaching the u20's at a former NSL club and that sometimes they had to knock it long, etc. Always questioning (not to his face) the presenter Oscar and the FFA model. He was stupid what the smart ones do is nod in agreement and then go away and either cant or wont teach it and then blame the quality of players. all the time saying i'm following the curriculum. This is the problem though. Most clubs will keep these guys because they know them or have a record of 'success'. The only way our development will change for the better is through time AND by failing people on courses. They'll either retire because they are too old or quit because they can't get the qualifications.
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These are some images from the conference late last year.  
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