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Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic
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adrtho
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aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic you really should stop reading , I know you don't have many brain cells left :p that logic is the same as FFA Edited by adrtho: 11/3/2016 02:47:21 PM
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TheSelectFew
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adrtho wrote:aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic you really should stop reading , I know you don't have many brain cells left You keep deflecting you idiot.
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Socceroofan4life
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I'm never copy and pasting another Les Murray article again.
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aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic he's just trolled the fuck out of this thread
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SWandP
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Socceroofan4life wrote:I'm never copy and pasting another Les Murray article again. TFFT.
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aufc_ole
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inala brah wrote:aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic he's just trolled the fuck out of this thread I genuinely think he's being serious tho
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TheSelectFew
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aufc_ole wrote:inala brah wrote:aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic he's just trolled the fuck out of this thread I genuinely think he's being serious tho I share the same concerns
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adrtho
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aufc_ole wrote:inala brah wrote:aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic he's just trolled the fuck out of this thread I genuinely think he's being serious tho i'm serious...i agree with FFA....no P/R
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adrtho wrote:aufc_ole wrote:inala brah wrote:aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic he's just trolled the fuck out of this thread I genuinely think he's being serious tho i'm serious...i agree with FFA....no P/R k
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Bundoora B
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TheSelectFew wrote:aufc_ole wrote:inala brah wrote:aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic he's just trolled the fuck out of this thread I genuinely think he's being serious tho I share the same concerns he gotchya + he self trolls like a pro
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aussie scott21
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RedshirtWilly wrote:eyesman wrote:Set up an A-League 2 with a number of teams from the best of NPL and give them A-League associated member licences. Expand the A-league 1 to say, 14. The current teams are given A-League Pro licences and cannot be relegated, the 4 A-League expansion clubs with Assoc members can. Every X number of years licences reviewed. Some Assoc Member licences may be upgraded to Pro, and some may be down-graded to Associated member, if they are financially unviable. So as an example, Nth Qld Fury would have been downgraded to Assoc Member and only if finishing bottom would they have been relegated to AL2. This is not a true Pro/rel but at least guarantees survival of the current franchises as long as they are financial. Also gives AL2 teams a chance of playing a AL1. As the Pro licences increase then we will get true pro/rel. If they don't ....well we are no better than we are now. It's a compromise and would satisfy both the franchise only supporters and those advocating the joining of the A-League and the NPL into one pyramid system. This isn't a bad idea. Two others I like: 2 tiers of 10 playing each other twice and then the other tier once, pro/rel one team in a playoffCreate APL through best of NPL and other teams working towards full A-League membership. Pro when they meet the requirements, no relegation until generations have grown up with the club. Either way the idea is not going to happen now no matter how romantic it sounds. Our top tier needs to be sustainable, then we need an actual second tier, and of both tiers we need supporters to bring in the revenue. None of that will happen overnight. I like this and have suggested it earlier. The main reason I like it is that it guarantees clashes. The FFAs biggest fear isn't CCM or NJ going down and potentially dying, it must surely the one of the Syd or Mel teams do. Then they lose their derbies.
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TheSelectFew
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inala brah wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:aufc_ole wrote:inala brah wrote:aufc_ole wrote:Losing brain cells trying to comprehend ardtho's logic he's just trolled the fuck out of this thread I genuinely think he's being serious tho I share the same concerns he gotchya + he self trolls like a pro Now i just feel sorry for the bloke.
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aufc_ole
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scott21 wrote:RedshirtWilly wrote:eyesman wrote:Set up an A-League 2 with a number of teams from the best of NPL and give them A-League associated member licences. Expand the A-league 1 to say, 14. The current teams are given A-League Pro licences and cannot be relegated, the 4 A-League expansion clubs with Assoc members can. Every X number of years licences reviewed. Some Assoc Member licences may be upgraded to Pro, and some may be down-graded to Associated member, if they are financially unviable. So as an example, Nth Qld Fury would have been downgraded to Assoc Member and only if finishing bottom would they have been relegated to AL2. This is not a true Pro/rel but at least guarantees survival of the current franchises as long as they are financial. Also gives AL2 teams a chance of playing a AL1. As the Pro licences increase then we will get true pro/rel. If they don't ....well we are no better than we are now. It's a compromise and would satisfy both the franchise only supporters and those advocating the joining of the A-League and the NPL into one pyramid system. This isn't a bad idea. Two others I like: 2 tiers of 10 playing each other twice and then the other tier once, pro/rel one team in a playoffCreate APL through best of NPL and other teams working towards full A-League membership. Pro when they meet the requirements, no relegation until generations have grown up with the club. Either way the idea is not going to happen now no matter how romantic it sounds. Our top tier needs to be sustainable, then we need an actual second tier, and of both tiers we need supporters to bring in the revenue. None of that will happen overnight. I like this and have suggested it earlier. The main reason I like it is that it guarantees clashes. The FFAs biggest fear isn't CCM or NJ going down and potentially dying, it must surely the one of the Syd or Mel teams do. Then they lose their derbies. The bigger teams would more than likely stay up tho?
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aufc_ole wrote:The bigger teams would more than likely stay up tho? Imagine the boost to the brand of the A2-League if a big team did go down? Can't lose.
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aussie scott21
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aufc_ole wrote: The bigger teams would more than likely stay up tho?
Not always. Leeds is an example, because not only in the top division but in the second division every team wants to beat them that little extra. It makes it hard to progress. My team got relegated and spent 5 years in div 2 while there were village teams in the highest league. Last year we had the highest attendance in the whole of Scandinavia. This would be even more risky in a salary cap league. When you hit that death spiral its pretty hard to snap out of it sometimes, even if you ar a "big" team.
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aussie scott21
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paladisious wrote:aufc_ole wrote:The bigger teams would more than likely stay up tho? Imagine the boost to the brand of the A2-League if a big team did go down? Can't lose. This is exactly what happened when we played in div 2. It made the league interesting. It is a major benefit for the second league to have a big team trying to come back up.
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If the Tards went down FFA lose the Melbourne derby, the Big Blue and the Pissants lose their main Rival.
If either Sydney team goes down FFA lose their three biggest matches of the year.
If Perth go down football fans in the west are a thousand miles from the nearest HAL team.
This is not the UK with hundreds of teams a bus ride from each other. We are one of the least densely populated nations on earth, promotion and relegation is a casualty of that.
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aussie scott21
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Crusader wrote:If the Tards went down FFA lose the Melbourne derby, the Big Blue and the Pissants lose their main Rival.
If either Sydney team goes down FFA lose their three biggest matches of the year.
If Perth go down football fans in the west are a thousand miles from the nearest HAL team.
This is not the UK with hundreds of teams a bus ride from each other. We are one of the least densely populated nations on earth, promotion and relegation is a casualty of that. The pyramid is upside down Edited by scott21: 11/3/2016 11:22:58 PM
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scott21 wrote:paladisious wrote:aufc_ole wrote:The bigger teams would more than likely stay up tho? Imagine the boost to the brand of the A2-League if a big team did go down? Can't lose. This is exactly what happened when we played in div 2. It made the league interesting. It is a major benefit for the second league to have a big team trying to come back up. In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.
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aussie scott21
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TheSelectFew wrote: In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.
Yep. Some people keep on pointing out Australias landmass as an issue, even though probably all the teams except perhaps QLD would still be in the state capitals. Its more a matter of travel expenses. If the A-League can work, a second division can work. Then eventually put them together. Queensland has shown you run an NPL over a massive distance.
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scott21 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote: In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.
Yep. Some people keep on pointing out Australias landmass as an issue, even though probably all the teams except perhaps QLD would still be in the state capitals. Its more a matter of travel expenses. If the A-League can work, a second division can work. Then eventually put them together. Queensland has shown you run an NPL over a massive distance. IF Elfsborg show how you get that sponsorship money in. Some of the teams, even in the first division, have individual sponsors. So basically each individual player has different sponsor on this back above his number.
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scott21 wrote:scott21 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote: In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.
Yep. Some people keep on pointing out Australias landmass as an issue, even though probably all the teams except perhaps QLD would still be in the state capitals. Its more a matter of travel expenses. If the A-League can work, a second division can work. Then eventually put them together. Queensland has shown you run an NPL over a massive distance. IF Elfsborg show how you get that sponsorship money in. Some of the teams, even in the first division, have individual sponsors. So basically each individual player has different sponsor on this back above his number. Thats similar to local footy. It brings in a lot of dollars.
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Crusader wrote:If the Tards went down FFA lose the Melbourne derby, the Big Blue and the Pissants lose their main Rival.
If either Sydney team goes down FFA lose their three biggest matches of the year.
If Perth go down football fans in the west are a thousand miles from the nearest HAL team.
This is not the UK with hundreds of teams a bus ride from each other. We are one of the least densely populated nations on earth, promotion and relegation is a casualty of that. this is right FFA can not take the risk
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adrtho
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TheSelectFew wrote:scott21 wrote:paladisious wrote:aufc_ole wrote:The bigger teams would more than likely stay up tho? Imagine the boost to the brand of the A2-League if a big team did go down? Can't lose. This is exactly what happened when we played in div 2. It made the league interesting. It is a major benefit for the second league to have a big team trying to come back up. In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up. Rangers going down, has been great for Scottish football :roll:
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adrtho wrote:
this is right
FFA can not take the risk
meh, Australia will never be able to compete with China or the US. If we continue with a limited amount of clubs all that will happen is as the tv deals get bigger and beigger and the PFA will want more and more money. This will translate into Australian players being overpaid and not having ambition to go overseas. So yeah, we will turn into the MLS just without the big marquee players. More professional budget clubs are needed.
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TheSelectFew wrote:scott21 wrote:scott21 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote: In scotland too with rangers going down to 4th div and hibs and hearts also having spells in 2nd div. It isnt always a bad thing. Been a lot of investment into lower tiers as a result because rangers average is still up.
Yep. Some people keep on pointing out Australias landmass as an issue, even though probably all the teams except perhaps QLD would still be in the state capitals. Its more a matter of travel expenses. If the A-League can work, a second division can work. Then eventually put them together. Queensland has shown you run an NPL over a massive distance. IF Elfsborg show how you get that sponsorship money in. Some of the teams, even in the first division, have individual sponsors. So basically each individual player has different sponsor on this back above his number. Thats similar to local footy. It brings in a lot of dollars. Not sure if a football kit, or the leaders jersey in the Tour de France... :-s
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scott21 wrote:adrtho wrote:
this is right
FFA can not take the risk
meh, Australia will never be able to compete with China or the US. If we continue with a limited amount of clubs all that will happen is as the tv deals get bigger and beigger and the PFA will want more and more money. This will translate into Australian players being overpaid and not having ambition to go overseas. So yeah, we will turn into the MLS just without the big marquee players. More professional budget clubs are needed. CSL and MLS will be in top 5 league soon but the A-League is surpassing Eredivisie,Superleague Greece, Belgian Pro League, Swiss Super League, Austrian Bundesliga, Czech First League, Romanian Liga I, Allsvenskan, Tippeligaen, Tippeligaen, Ekstraklasa, Scottish Premiership, Serbian Superliga, Prva HNL, Süper Lig
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adrtho wrote:scott21 wrote:adrtho wrote:
this is right
FFA can not take the risk
meh, Australia will never be able to compete with China or the US. If we continue with a limited amount of clubs all that will happen is as the tv deals get bigger and beigger and the PFA will want more and more money. This will translate into Australian players being overpaid and not having ambition to go overseas. So yeah, we will turn into the MLS just without the big marquee players. More professional budget clubs are needed. CSL and MLS will be in top 5 league soon but the A-League is surpassing Eredivisie,Superleague Greece, Belgian Pro League, Swiss Super League, Austrian Bundesliga, Czech First League, Romanian Liga I, Allsvenskan, Tippeligaen, Tippeligaen, Ekstraklasa, Scottish Premiership, Serbian Superliga, Prva HNL, Süper Lig In salarys for Australian players. That is my point. Edited by scott21: 12/3/2016 06:20:55 AM
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With if the way the national curriculum has been going and if the under 16 Australian side last year is anything to go upon i really do think we will start pumping up some real talent soon.
A Lot of those players will go to China, a lot of them will go to Europe, as long as we produce quite a lot and have good depth we will be fine.
The A-League will be a development league for a while, but if the Socceroos can (and i think they will) produce quality players playing in big leagues and we do well on the international stage the A-League and soccer in general will rise in popularity in Australia. Resulting in more funds, crowds, promotion relegation etc.
I think the future of our National Team and the A-League is bright.
Edited by socceroofan4life: 12/3/2016 06:26:06 AM
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